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Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
NOAA - NHC ^ | 29 August 2005 | NOAA - NHC

Posted on 08/29/2005 2:47:45 AM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: bkepley; All

http://info.insure.com/home/flood/
Who needs flood insurance?
By Insure.com

When your home is flooded, it can lead to financial ruin if you don't have the proper insurance. And note this: A basic homeowners policy won't cover your flood damage! You need flood insurance — a special policy backed by the federal government, with cooperation from local communities and private insurance companies.

About 200 insurance companies, possibly including the company that already handles your homeowners or auto insurance, write and service flood insurance policies for the government, which finances the program through premiums.

Although flood insurance is relatively inexpensive, most Americans neglect to purchase protection. Only about one-quarter of the homes in areas most vulnerable are insured against flood loss, according to the Federal Insurance Administration (FIA). In those areas, flooding is 26 times more likely to occur than a fire during the course of a typical 30-year mortgage.


4,201 posted on 08/29/2005 2:00:22 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: Republican Red

What kind of damage in Carrolton?


4,202 posted on 08/29/2005 2:00:26 PM PDT by silentknight
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To: BurbankKarl

From Reuters:

Shell said two of its oil drilling rigs under contract were adrift in the Gulf of Mexico. One rig is owned by Nobel, the other by Transocean Inc.


4,203 posted on 08/29/2005 2:00:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: RobFromGa; onyx; Carolinamom; All

Press conference with Haley Barbour coming up.


4,204 posted on 08/29/2005 2:00:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: oceanview
where are these examples of people without flood insurance, being paid off by the government? from my knowledge of it, all they do is provide low interest loans.

The type of aid varies depending upon the level of damage and type of disaster declaration. In the areas of most extensive damage, the assistance will be outright grants.

4,205 posted on 08/29/2005 2:01:10 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Would I lie to you?)
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To: Dog Gone

What is an oil rig, exactly? Is it a platform?


4,206 posted on 08/29/2005 2:01:14 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: oceanview

Low interest loans would be better. If you know you have to pay it back you will do everything you can to minimize damages.


4,207 posted on 08/29/2005 2:01:16 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: oceanview

FEMA provides both 'grants' and 'loans'. Grants are not repayable. Usually the 'grant' is to make things moderately habitable, or provide for temporary housing. Loans are for permanant repairs.


4,208 posted on 08/29/2005 2:01:21 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: mhking

Are they headed for upstate SC?


4,209 posted on 08/29/2005 2:01:38 PM PDT by Babsig (www.genesysitsolutions.com)
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To: Republican Red

"I really thought GA would escape the wrath of Katrina. This thing must be massive to have arms in Georgia."

I didn't. I've been watching the same intell weather map since yesterday. The northern storm (swan)neck got pulled down into Katrina and formed a solid neck, building up Katrinas strength. Now what is happening is the hurricane is like a YoYo that will snap back upwards north, the neck acting like the YoYo string.




4,210 posted on 08/29/2005 2:02:03 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: oceanview
where are these examples of people without flood insurance, being paid off by the government?

Not here. Ours is due by 9/15/05....creek is 200 yards from our home.

4,211 posted on 08/29/2005 2:02:33 PM PDT by Johnny Crab (Always thankful.)
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To: mhking

All is not well in Georgia. Rush hour is just starting and tornados being reported near I-20 and other major highways.

The Carrol County tornado look like they might be heading my way in Alpharetta.

The rain is really coming down here now.


4,212 posted on 08/29/2005 2:02:33 PM PDT by Republican Red (''Van der Sloot" is Dutch for ''Kennedy.")
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To: NautiNurse
Oops...try this link: Photo Gallery
4,213 posted on 08/29/2005 2:02:33 PM PDT by GummyIII (If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
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To: oceanview
where are these examples of people without flood insurance, being paid off by the government?

Not here. Ours is due by 9/15/05....creek is 200 yards from our home.

4,214 posted on 08/29/2005 2:02:48 PM PDT by Johnny Crab (Always thankful.)
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To: oceanview
where are these examples of people without flood insurance, being paid off by the government?

Not here. Ours is due by 9/15/05....creek is 200 yards from our home.

4,215 posted on 08/29/2005 2:02:52 PM PDT by Johnny Crab (Always thankful.)
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To: Jrabbit
Per New Orleans Mayor : 40000 homes flodded in ST. bernard parish. 400 people known to be on rooftops, numerous bodies seen floating. :-(

THis is the scenario we feared. This is just one area of New orleans. Nothing has been heard yet from Venice and the area near landfall. Also, no reports what so ever from Pass Christian/Bay St. Louis area.

THis is utterly heartbreaking, everyone please pray for these people, and prepare yourselves for a catastrophe of the likes not seen by this country in many many years. :-(

4,216 posted on 08/29/2005 2:03:44 PM PDT by commish ((Montgomery, AL) Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Howlin
Press conference with Haley Barbour coming up.

Anyone have a streaming link for this?

4,218 posted on 08/29/2005 2:04:18 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Would I lie to you?)
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To: TX Conservative

FEMA guy dressing down dumb reporter.


4,219 posted on 08/29/2005 2:04:22 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: commish

Wow, 400 people on roofs? God help them.


4,220 posted on 08/29/2005 2:04:40 PM PDT by Abigail Adams
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Route 10 overpass of Spain St in New Orleans. Area between Florida Ave and N. Clairborne, and Elysian Fields Ave and Franklin Ave, appears entirely flooded up to first story eaves. From live stream of WDSU TV channel 6.


4,221 posted on 08/29/2005 2:04:55 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: oceanview
where are these examples of people without flood insurance, being paid off by the government?

Not here. Ours is due by 9/15/05....creek is 200 yards from our home.

We also STILL cannot get through to Slidell, Covington, or Mandeville to check on those who stayed. We'll post anything specific & confirmed that we get. One of the "stay behinds" was with EMS/Fire Dept. so the info will be legit.

4,222 posted on 08/29/2005 2:05:06 PM PDT by Johnny Crab (Always thankful.)
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To: CobraJet

You might find it next to impossible to get to Gulf shores this week,



GULF SHORES, Ala. (AP) - Hurricane Katrina is pounding Alabama's most popular beaches with stinging rain and powerful wind gusts that pushed Gulf waters into streets in a rising storm surge.

Gulf Shores and Orange Beach both resemble ghost towns today as the storm roared ashore in Louisiana around 5 a-m.

Flooding is the worst in Gulf Shores. Police Chief Arthur Bourne said the water is as high as it was during Hurricane Ivan a year ago, meaning it could be days before homeowners get in to assess damage and begin cleaning up.


4,223 posted on 08/29/2005 2:05:13 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: oceanview
where are these examples of people without flood insurance, being paid off by the government?

Not here. Ours is due by 9/15/05....creek is 200 yards from our home.

We also STILL cannot get through to Slidell, Covington, or Mandeville to check on those who stayed. We'll post anything specific & confirmed that we get. One of the "stay behinds" is with northshore EMS/Fire Dept. so the info will be legit.

4,224 posted on 08/29/2005 2:05:27 PM PDT by Johnny Crab (Always thankful.)
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To: oceanview

"where are these examples of people without flood insurance, being paid off by the government? from my knowledge of it, all they do is provide low interest loans."



Whenever a hurricane goes by, affected families are entitled to ask FEMA for relief. If your kitchen is damaged by a hurricane, FEMA will pay for your new kitchen, etc. FEMA, of course, is an arm of the federal government and is financed at least partly by state (not federal)property taxes, so people without insurance can rightfully claim to have helped pay for FEMA's relief.


4,225 posted on 08/29/2005 2:05:49 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Babsig
see Southeast STORMWATCH shows all current Tornado Warnings, Watches, Flood Warnings and Watches, and Wind Advisories for the Southeast USA.

4,226 posted on 08/29/2005 2:05:51 PM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: Trident/Delta
Damn, my son, who is home on leave from Iraq, just called and checked in early from leave and volunteered to go to NO for relief duty. The USMC Duty officer said that he had a LOOOOOONG roster of Marines gearing up to go and help. Where do we get young men like these????

Good for your son and his fellow Marines. You must be so proud of him : )

4,227 posted on 08/29/2005 2:06:00 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("President Bush, start building that wall"!)
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To: Babsig
Are they headed for upstate SC?

Nope. They are moving south to north primarily; they are curving back over into Alabama once they get beyond us.

4,228 posted on 08/29/2005 2:06:30 PM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: cyborg

"That's a nasty thing to say. You don't even know the kid. What's with the third world population thing?"

Please, it wasn't meant to be nasty. Why would a child be by themself if they weren't homeless. Take your flame baiting elsewhere.


4,229 posted on 08/29/2005 2:06:40 PM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Abigail Adams

they have been up there for 12 hours!


4,230 posted on 08/29/2005 2:06:46 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: TheSpottedOwl

It's what Marines do..


4,231 posted on 08/29/2005 2:06:51 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Trust but Verify

Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.


4,232 posted on 08/29/2005 2:07:04 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: Republican Red
The Carrol County tornado look like they might be heading my way in Alpharetta.

Nope; the storm is running nearly due north. There are several other squalls that are south of Atlanta that will get to Alpharetta, but you've got a bit of time before they get there...

4,233 posted on 08/29/2005 2:07:26 PM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: Abigail Adams

St. Bernard flooding update

Monday, 4 p.m.

Official postings on the St. Bernard government Web site about flooding in the parish:

At 11:00 a.m. , the National Weather Service reported that a levee broke
on the Industrial Canal - the waterway that connects the Mississippi River to the Intracoastal Waterway - near the St. Bernard-Orleans parish line at
Tennessee Street, and 3 to 10 feet of flooding was possible with Arabi
receiving some degree of rising water.

St. Bernard Parish Office of Emergency Preparedness say the parish's
two shelters at Chalmette High and St. Bernard High are heavily
damaged because of the flooding. OEP director Larry Ingargiola said Chalmette High shelter is losing its roof, and St. Bernard High has several broken windows. There are estimates of more than 300 refugees at the two sites. "We cannot see the tops of the levees, " Ingargiola said.

At noon, most of the parish has no power and widespread flooding is
reported. Phone services are severely hampered.

At 12:30 p.m., Chalmette's Gibb Drive and community reportedly has water over the roofs of some houses, driving residents to their rooftops.

Teams of emergency teams are available from Louisiana to Florida. FEMA (Federal Emergency Agency) officials are standing by as needed to access damage on the ground. President Bush has declared states of emergency in Louisiana and Mississippi to accelerate the emergency response.

At 2 p.m., communications into the New Orleans/St. Bernard area are
little to none because of power and downed communications equipment and massive calls into state.

At 2:30 p.m., the National Guard Armory became submerged


4,234 posted on 08/29/2005 2:07:36 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: CindyDawg

"Praying for your family. I hope you hear from them really soon."

Thank you very much. Right now I'm fearing the worst for a couple of them. I truly appreciate your compassion.


4,235 posted on 08/29/2005 2:07:38 PM PDT by LibSnubber (Lafayette, LA........PRAYER AGAINST STORMS on my homepage)
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To: SunnySide

YOU made the comment. I am not flaming you for pointing out your ridiculous statement.


4,236 posted on 08/29/2005 2:07:49 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm having the best day ever.)
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To: mhking

K- just checking...keep your eyes and ears open:)

Let us know when you hear from your family...keeping them in prayers...


4,237 posted on 08/29/2005 2:08:24 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: RobFromGa

thanks


4,238 posted on 08/29/2005 2:08:33 PM PDT by Babsig (www.genesysitsolutions.com)
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To: Abigail Adams

Search and rescue in Jefferson Parish

Monday, 3:55 p.m.

Jefferson Parish authorities were headed to the Lincolnshire subdivision in Marrerro, where there have been calls for rescue for people trapped by flood waters.

Power lines and trees are down across the parish, and flooding is widespread, officials said. A number of buildings, including the parish's Juvenile Justice Center in Harvey, have been damaged, but officials don't yet know to what extent.

At this point, one official said, it's not so much an assessment of damage that parish emergency crews are after. It's a search and rescue mission.


4,239 posted on 08/29/2005 2:08:42 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: silentknight

Part of the problem is being able to get to those hardest hit areas. We will see more of the Dome or NO area because those are accessable at the moment.


4,240 posted on 08/29/2005 2:08:45 PM PDT by CajunConservative (Southwest Louisiana)
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To: cyborg

was Al Sharpton trying to outrun the storm?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167526,00.html


4,241 posted on 08/29/2005 2:08:47 PM PDT by nascarnation
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CNN: Gulfport: Interstate is impassable, littered with all sorts of household debris (refrigerators, etc.), downtown was at a time under 12' of water, 2+ miles of town is still flooded, devastating damage(according to the reporter), several rescues, a-hole looters already striking.


4,242 posted on 08/29/2005 2:08:55 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I thought that was only emergency aid, not the kind of payouts associated with rebuilding.

why am I paying for federal flood insurance then, if they would pay for my losses without it anyway?


4,243 posted on 08/29/2005 2:09:00 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: SE Mom

Will do...


4,244 posted on 08/29/2005 2:09:10 PM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: IMRight

"Actually, if you check into it, you'll likely find that your flood insurance is actually through the National Flood Insurance Program run by FEMA."



So when I bought car insurance from State Farm (or whomever it was, it was years ago) that covered floods, it was actually a joint policy with FEMA? That's weird.


4,245 posted on 08/29/2005 2:09:24 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: MrsCinAZ
"There are three kids in here," the woman said. "Can you help us?"

That's really brilliant. Don't evacuate and keep three children in the path of a hurricaine. Oh right, they didn't have the money to leave. sure.

4,246 posted on 08/29/2005 2:09:28 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: GummyIII

That link sends you to pics of IVAN.


4,247 posted on 08/29/2005 2:09:38 PM PDT by fhlh (.)
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To: Abigail Adams
What is an oil rig, exactly? Is it a platform?

There's a lot of confusion about that, and the press doesn't help.

In general, a platform is a permanent structure for the production of oil and gas, although it generally has the facilities built into it to allow a drilling rig to drill additional wells from the platform.

A rig (when not on a platform) is something temporary, which basically floats like a boat. It can either have its legs extend to the seafloor for extra stability, or it can have sophisticated computers and engines to keep it stationary while drilling is underway.

It appears that this story is referring to the latter type of rig.

4,248 posted on 08/29/2005 2:11:14 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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