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BREAKING!!! - Weldon says records were ordered destroyed!! (Able Danger)
Dom Giordano Show - 1210AM Radio "Big Talker" - Philadelphia | 29 AUG 05 | Vanity

Posted on 08/29/2005 6:23:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard

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To: Rosemont

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151 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:12 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Lancey Howard
Chinagate was breathing down their necks. Remember, the reason the Clintons told Gorelick to erect "the wall" in the first place was to stymie investigations into their criminal foreign campaign money schemes. There were probably other reasons as well.

If the dots were ever connected during the Clinton administration he'd have to go to war - a real war with boots on the ground. In order to avoid this Clinton treated all terrorism as a law enforcement effort as not to have to invade hostile states that aided Al Queda.

152 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:16 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (The constitution is not in exile, it's in a nice safe deposit box in the Cayman Islands - Lileks)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Is it so much to ask to see Bubba dragged through the streets like our guys in Mogadishu? This isn't about politics....it's about treason.


153 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:16 PM PDT by stboz
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To: frannie

One of the witnesses said ABLE DANGER was shut down in Feb. 2001. Technically, that was early in the Bush administration, so the MSM (when they are forced to report this story) will try to portray it as a Bush administration action, as will the Demagogues Howie Dean, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc. HOWEVER, it becomes clear when you review what's known of the history of the program that the controvery over the results of AD grew up in 2000, not 2001, due to unnamed "Pentagon lawyers" worried about legal issues. Lurking in the background is CHINAGATE, since the lawyers were worried about info collected on possible Chinese espionage -- names of US citizens were coming up on the searches.... but that is just a smokescreen for the fact that the Clintonlites discovered that a lot of embarrassing and ILLEGAL actitivies could be brought to light by investigations following up on the results of AD searches for info on China (AD didn't only work on Al Qaeda and terrorism issues).


154 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:21 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Lancey Howard
Weldon did express confidence in Tim Roehmer and John Lehman and speculated that perhaps the poor job done by the Commission was the result of an incompetent staff.

I'm sorry but as Harry Truman said: "the buck stops here". Bush allowed a commission to be formed that included Jamie Gorlick et al. The fix was in before the they opened the starting gates. You cannot blame the staff and you really can't blame the Dems. They were protecting their fearless leader's legacy and trying to win an election using their normal toolbox of lies and distortions. The Republicans are the ones to blame. They let it happen and I'm betting they will be the ones to shut Weldon down. Do you really think that Arlen Specter is going to help? On a cold day in Hell Specter might just do something that would hurt his Dem Comrades. Don't hold your breath.

155 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:30 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Rosemont

Slade Gorton says not to look at the Man behind the curtain.


156 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:34 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: SunnyD1182

And considering it wasn't long ago we had an 8-year streak of constant scandal, that's saying something!


157 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:35 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: Peach

I've been laying pretty low on this issue, but no more.

This could well be the most scandalous affair in the history of the United States.

It is going to be very interesting to see if Gorelick is further implicated in the coverup. She should NEVER have been able to be given credentials for that commission, nor should BenVeniste...


158 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:36 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Lancey Howard

That's right- I forgot about the nuclear secrets for campaign money. The wall would have effectively insulated them from CIA info.


159 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:41 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Fairtax.org)
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To: frannie

I remember reading here about an early meeting that took place shortly after Bush took office of some of the (then) new State Department employees. Jamie Gorelick walked in and sat down, and one of the stunned new people whispered to the person sitting next to her, "What is SHE doing here?"

I will search the archives and see if I can dig that old story up.


160 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

This should not surprise anyone.

Him saying that he was threatened wilh jail surprised me.

I would have thought that they would have told him that his friends and next of kin would be reading in the papers that he committed suicide.[Kinda like Admiral Border].


161 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:44 PM PDT by sport
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To: pieces of time

Might have been some serious shredding right before he got sworn in. Good point, cause Rummy would have had a cow.


162 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:46 PM PDT by A.Hun (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: infidel29

Agree, where is Hillery???
Amen.


163 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:48 PM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: AFPhys

Small Correction:

If Weldon's information ends up being proven true, this could end up being the biggest government scandal/coverup in the history of this country.

***

Along with OKC bombing...


164 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:48 PM PDT by jdhljc169
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To: infidel29

Not a good time to go canoeing...no sir.


165 posted on 08/29/2005 7:00:16 PM PDT by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth Amendments?)
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To: Lancey Howard

I hope he's feeding all of this information to a trusted party, just in case Arkancide happens.....


166 posted on 08/29/2005 7:00:40 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Liberals preach comity and practice calumny.)
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To: bnelson44
Weldon reminds me of Joseph McCarthy for some reason.

Well .. Weldon isn't backing down

He's already stated on DomG's show that he doesn't care about his job .. he said he cares more about our national security and safety

167 posted on 08/29/2005 7:00:57 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Prime Choice

Damn straight.


168 posted on 08/29/2005 7:01:12 PM PDT by glock rocks (Let's light a candle.)
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To: Lancey Howard

The 9/11 Commission also ignored connections between Iraq and 9/11. See:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/996ssjsb.asp


169 posted on 08/29/2005 7:01:19 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: jdhljc169
Along with OKC bombing...

I think it's all part of the same ball of wax.

170 posted on 08/29/2005 7:01:19 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (The constitution is not in exile, it's in a nice safe deposit box in the Cayman Islands - Lileks)
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To: ElkGroveDan

There are three minor player possibilities, as I see it:

Clarke, Gorelick, and Burgler.

Of course, the three big cheeses directing them all have name Gore, Clintoon, and 'Toon.


171 posted on 08/29/2005 7:02:11 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Txsleuth

I'm expecting us to eventually get to the real story, something more sinister than 9/11. What was the purpose of the Gorelick wall, anyway? It was to keep something mighty big from hitting the fan.


172 posted on 08/29/2005 7:02:15 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Except the original WTC bombing, OKC, TWA800, the embasssy bombings, the Cole, and an overwhelming need to run screaming from anything that remotely resembled a terrorist attack. The denial, coverups and misapplied responses surrounding these events led directly to 911.

I have read and heard these theories, but as darkward speculation and not as news. Having an eternal detest for the Clinton gang I'd never dismiss anything out of hand. But evidence and credibility are key. Hope it's there. If it isn't this will sound a little waybegone.

Empirical facts, pics, video, GOOD. Speculation with connected dots on a chart, BAD.

173 posted on 08/29/2005 7:02:36 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
My bet is the race is on to find the person Weldon is going to name and have him commit Arkancide.

I am going to parlay that bet with the MSM not covering it.


I'll take that bet and raise you three more dead bodies...
174 posted on 08/29/2005 7:02:44 PM PDT by demkicker ((Life has many choices. Eternity has only two. Which one have you chosen?))
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To: bnelson44

So I guess you're a member of the "Smear Weldon" club?


175 posted on 08/29/2005 7:03:01 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: andie74

I made my last post just before I read yours. I agree precisely with your take.


176 posted on 08/29/2005 7:03:05 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: dubyaismypresident

Do you think CNN will run an expose of this the way they ran the biased Dead Wrong documentary several times already?


177 posted on 08/29/2005 7:03:12 PM PDT by Rosemont
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To: kcar

Maybe we should be asking the Clintons what they knew about 9-11 and WHEN did they know it?


178 posted on 08/29/2005 7:03:15 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Allen in 2008)
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To: Peach

Hi! Yes read it and I believe it! But have the feeling that for all the reasons she and others have given for Clinton wanting it to be strickly a Tim McVey job right up to his execution (remember the FBI files found in Detroit just before his first execution date?)the Oklahoma City Bombing is going to remain a mystery along with who shot JFK.


179 posted on 08/29/2005 7:03:17 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: Diddle E. Squat
This announcing a week before he is going to name names is just stupid. No matter what games he thinks he is playing or what rationalizations can be thrown out, it makes him look kooky and undermines his credibility.

Maybe he is concerned for his safety?

180 posted on 08/29/2005 7:04:13 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: frannie

From what I understand, Able Danger was a computer program that gathered data from many different sources and tried to tie the information all together. One thing that it apparently did was connect Clinton with China. It was able to put together dates,names, times, money, etc.


181 posted on 08/29/2005 7:04:41 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Cindy - The new 'C' word! I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Nothing was breathing down their necks at the time.

Except the original WTC bombing, OKC, TWA800, the embasssy bombings, the Cole, and an overwhelming need to run screaming from anything that remotely resembled a terrorist attack. The denial, coverups and misapplied responses surrounding these events led directly to 911.

Must be repeated.

182 posted on 08/29/2005 7:05:30 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Sloth
9/8 is a Thursday.

D'oh! Thanks for the correction. I looked at my August calendar.

183 posted on 08/29/2005 7:05:36 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: azsportsterman

There is one account of a big (internal) fuss about ABLE DANGER in May 2000 (during Clinton administration) when the private contractor doing at least a key segment of the work was abruptly fired (see below). But I have the strong impression that AD was not terminated as a program until Feb. 2001 -- I'll try to find the link for that, it's somewhere on the 'ATTA' list of threads.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1471803/posts




[from NY Post story linked above]:

Cyber-sleuths working for a Pentagon intelligence unit that reportedly identified some of the 9/11 hijackers before the attack were fired by military officials, after they mistakenly pinpointed Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other prominent Americans as potential security risks, The Post has learned.

The private contractors working for the counter-terrorism unit Able Danger lost their jobs in May 2000. The firings following a series of analyses that Pentagon lawyers feared were dangerously close to violating laws banning the military from spying on Americans, sources said.

The Pentagon canceled its contract with the private firm shortly after the analysts — who were working on identifying al Qaeda operatives — produced a particularly controversial chart on proliferation of sensitive technology to China, the sources said.

-snip-

Sources said the private contractors, using sophisticated computer software that sifts through massive amounts of raw data to establish patterns, came up with a chart of Chinese strategic and business connections in the U.S.

-snip-

The China chart was put together by James Smith, who confirmed yesterday that his contract with the military was canceled and he was fired from his company because the military brass became concerned about the focus on U.S. citizens.

-snip-

"It was shut down in a matter of hours. The colonel said our service was no longer needed and told me: 'You just ended my career.' "


184 posted on 08/29/2005 7:05:39 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Txsleuth

I was in the hearing room when they grilled Condi Rice. The bunch of 9/11 gals were clapping for every smarmy attack. I was standing against the wall behind the press table. After one outburst by them I couidn't contain myself: "Cheerleaders" I yelled. The reporters nearly jumped out of their skins. Didn't know they spooked that easy.


185 posted on 08/29/2005 7:05:53 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
Just wondering if there aren't destroyed documents in regards to the Oklahoma City Bombing and connections to Saddam Hussein and Iraq ( again Janet Reno as possible suspect)?

Ask Danny Defenbaugh- Dallas FBI.

186 posted on 08/29/2005 7:06:17 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Fairtax.org)
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To: jimbo123
Sources said the private contractors, using sophisticated computer software that sifts through massive amounts of raw data to establish patterns,

There's soooo much to keep up with anymore..Was any of this related to PROMIS?

187 posted on 08/29/2005 7:07:09 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Peach
You are absolutely right about Joe McCarthy.
The Libs came after him, big time, and ruined him.

I am worried about Weldon's safety. The clintoons didn't come this far to be defeated now.
They sold their soul to the devil.....long time ago.

188 posted on 08/29/2005 7:07:19 PM PDT by mickie
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To: jennyjenny

The "Smear Weldon" crowd have apparently gotten their new talking points. Comparing him to Joe McCarthy. Calling him kooky. They're really afraid of people finding out the truth about what happened.


189 posted on 08/29/2005 7:07:21 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: kcvl; doug from upland

ping


190 posted on 08/29/2005 7:07:21 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Enchante

Weldon did speak about "the chart" tonight and says he has a psuedo-copy of it but that he gave the original one to somebody else (Steve Shandler?). I was left with the impression it's in good hands.


191 posted on 08/29/2005 7:08:10 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RobbyS

RobbyS....

Proud to say my cousin WASN'T there!


192 posted on 08/29/2005 7:08:19 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: Toespi

Exactly.

Burgler did NOT go to take those documents just to review them.

He had a major NEED to erase something from historical reference. This could very well be it - not "erase A-D documents" but mention of A-D itself and the fact that Atta was mentioned by them.


193 posted on 08/29/2005 7:08:26 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Peach

Oliver Stoned will make a movie about this..factual, except the President during the story will be an evil conservative republican.


194 posted on 08/29/2005 7:08:43 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Lancey Howard
Whoa! ...the Little Rock Mafia, will be getting some "work orders" soon. :/
195 posted on 08/29/2005 7:09:37 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: Peach
I seem to be able to do no better than repeat you good folks:

Watergate had NOTHING to do with the security of the nation. This does. Massive cover-up. Sandy Berger. All of it.

196 posted on 08/29/2005 7:09:57 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: jan in Colorado; AmericanArchConservative; Former Dodger; Dark Skies; USF; mother22wife21

Hey come see this...


197 posted on 08/29/2005 7:10:02 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: pieces of time
Yes, it certainly does and WHAT exactly Sandy Burglar shredded!
198 posted on 08/29/2005 7:10:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Prime Choice

LOL. Did you do that? There is nobody more talented than a FReeper. :)


199 posted on 08/29/2005 7:10:23 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Willie Green; Mo1; ..

ping


200 posted on 08/29/2005 7:11:00 PM PDT by Tribune7
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