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What the Minutemen Look Like From the Streets of Oaxaca
Pacific News Service ^ | May 26, 2005 | Angel Luna

Posted on 08/30/2005 1:37:10 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

[Author goes "back home" to Oaxaca, finds out what Bush's kind-hearted folks think of the Minuteman Project]

[The MMP is] the talk at the local bar, in the back of taxicabs and on campus at Uabjo Universidad Autonoma Benito Juares de Oaxaca. One of my old friends there told me that he had planned to go and reunite with his son in the United States, but all the hype about the Minutemen was stopping him.

He said, "Pinches gueros culeros que no quieren que progrese la raza (Damn white boys, they don't want us to make progress)," and "Que mal les hace uno (What harm do we do them)?"

...Word on the street is that the narcos (drug lords) are going to give rewards to anybody who kills a member of the Minuteman organization...

...Everyone gathered around this older man who said he was a lawyer. "The only thing that these people are doing is pissing off the narcos, the coyotes and the Mara Salvatrucha (a gang that spans Latin America)," he said. Some of the folks laughed.

In the neighborhood where I was raised in Oaxaca, the narcos have a pretty strong following. They are thought to be generous with their allies and dangerous to their enemies. Even though people know the narcos are up to no good, the drug lords are thought of as people who don't forget where they came from, and don't forget their folks.

Before he left he bar, the lawyer said, "El narco no perdona, y la sangre va a tener que ser derramada (The narco doesn't forgive, and blood will have to be spilled)." The room cheered.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.ncmonline.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegals; immigrantlist; kindheartedfolks
This is several months old but I just ran across it. Perhaps someone else would like to present the correct, literal translations of the quotes above, which seem to have been cleaned-up by the author.
1 posted on 08/30/2005 1:37:14 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

I hope someone tell's the Minutemen about this.


2 posted on 08/30/2005 1:43:05 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

This is sort of harsh sounding, and I am liable to be flamed for it, but according to what I could find out, it translates "D*mned little f*ggot white boys do not want the race ("la raza") to progress," with "progress" in this instance meaning to gain territory, as best I can tell.


3 posted on 08/30/2005 1:45:43 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

The translations are correct...


4 posted on 08/30/2005 1:45:46 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Mister Baredog

Hard to believe this is from Oaxaca.


5 posted on 08/30/2005 1:47:38 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: cartman90210; Itzlzha; Happy2BMe; bayourod; Travis McGee; DoughtyOne; DTogo; Borax Queen; ...

ping


6 posted on 08/30/2005 1:48:29 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

The translations may be correct, but they're also sanitized. Here's a clue to the piece's author: Navajo is a secret code. Spanish is not.


7 posted on 08/30/2005 1:50:09 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
The room cheered.

No doubt a room full of typical "we only want a better life" types. /s

8 posted on 08/30/2005 1:57:15 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Pinches Queros culeros que no quieren que progrese la raza = Darn gueros lazy that do not want that the race progress = damn lazy Queers/faggots do not want the race to progress

Que mal les hace uno = That badly one does them = What harm does that do to one?

I don't think that it was sanitized... Unless there is a few quotes missing from this article

9 posted on 08/30/2005 2:00:43 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Uh, some of us are having a little trouble assimilating, are we?


10 posted on 08/30/2005 2:07:56 PM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: Zavien Doombringer

The rally point is in Altar Mexico, remove it.


11 posted on 08/30/2005 2:08:43 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

God bless the Minutemen for being a line of defense against this sort of trash.


12 posted on 08/30/2005 2:11:27 PM PDT by reelfoot
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To: RegulatorCountry

Perhaps "progress" means spreading family values beyond the Rio Grande?


13 posted on 08/30/2005 2:14:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
"...Damn white boys, they don't want us to make progress,"

Speaking as one of the "damned white boys", let me say that I desperately do want Mexicans to make progress, gobs of it, at home where it is needed.

14 posted on 08/30/2005 2:17:21 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Before he left he bar, the lawyer said, "El narco no perdona, y la sangre va a tener que ser derramada (The narco doesn't forgive, and blood will have to be spilled)." The room cheered.

If the narcos wanted to find the quickest way to inspire a whole lot of gringos with scoped deer rifles to defend their border, this would be it.

15 posted on 08/30/2005 2:26:31 PM PDT by AngryJawa (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Bring it....

The last time Mexico screwed with us they lost big...

Bring it again I say...

Mexicans are as good at fighting wars as Arabs...

16 posted on 08/30/2005 2:30:42 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: Mister Baredog

Someone should tell the MMP.

Someone should also ask the Pacific News Service why they're promoting what appears to me to be racial hatred and violent threats:

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_custom.html?custom_page_id=76


17 posted on 08/30/2005 2:45:09 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Send them this for me.
"Si Usted Desea una vida mejor, construya un MÉXICO mejor."


18 posted on 08/30/2005 2:52:25 PM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; Borax Queen

this is lovely--overt threats against Americans by those who just want the "work no American wants to."


19 posted on 08/30/2005 2:59:29 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Are those damn vigilantes on the border causing more trouble with our peaceful neighbors to the south?


20 posted on 08/30/2005 3:04:06 PM PDT by frankiep
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To: AngryJawa

Remember , it's not just the gringos. I am an American of mexican descent, and I'd be ready to fight for my Country. Alongside of you any day! The reason my parents came here was they hate this part of Mexico. Unfortunately these crooks are what rule the country. My father despises most of the immigrants that are coming to our country from Mexico today. He always reminds me that it was he alone who paid to raise and educate us not the GOVERNMENT!lET'S KEEP THESE SCUMBAGS OUT OF HERE! We've got our own criminals to worry about.


21 posted on 08/30/2005 3:20:27 PM PDT by the conservative bean (Viva la Reagan Revolucion!!!!!)
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To: the conservative bean

I wish we could hear more from people like you!


22 posted on 08/30/2005 3:23:39 PM PDT by Alkhin (http://awanderingconfluence.com/blog)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Is the purpose of this article to evoke sympathy by citizens of the U.S., with threats against people who merely wish to make certain the laws about the border are enforced? If so, it is poorly done.


23 posted on 08/30/2005 3:26:10 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Zavien Doombringer
The translations are correct...

I don't think so.

"Pinches gueros culeros que no quieren que progrese la raza (Damn white boys, they don't want us to make progress),"

I will attempt a translation that will not get me band.

“Crappie Arian rump rangers that don’t want our race to progress.”

24 posted on 08/30/2005 4:23:29 PM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: Tench_Coxe
The purpose of this cowardly screed it to try to provoke the Minutemen into violence, while hiding behind the safety of his typewriter.

Cheap talk is all it is! At least the provocateurs that we faced in AZ, had the guts to show up in person. What a spineless lowlife!

If any trouble starts it will be from the other side, and you can take that to the bank.

Bottom line... We'll be patroling the border COAST TO COAST in October, from Brownsville TX to San Diego CA, and this slimeball will probably still be hiding behind his typewriter.


25 posted on 08/31/2005 2:06:56 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

"Guero" is actually "blondie" NOT "white boy." It is used to refer to blonde Mexicans as well (yes they do exist).


26 posted on 08/31/2005 2:09:12 AM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Culero means "faggot."


27 posted on 08/31/2005 2:09:32 AM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: Clemenza

"Culero means "faggot."

Must be Mex slang? "Maricon" was the term the Cubans used in Miami when I was growing up. Cuban Spanish tends to be more formal than Mexican Spanish.


28 posted on 08/31/2005 2:19:10 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: Rebelbase

"Maricon" is used in every Spanish speaking country. "Culero" is largely used in Mexico and Central America. "Mariposa" (literally "butterfly") is used for "faggot" in Venezuela and Colombia.


29 posted on 08/31/2005 2:22:42 AM PDT by Clemenza (Proud "Free Traitor" & Capitalist Pig)
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To: the conservative bean
I am an American of mexican descent, and I'd be ready to fight for my Country. Alongside of you any day!

I, as an American of Polish/Irish descent, appreciate that sentiment more than you know. Let's pray it never comes to that.

30 posted on 08/31/2005 6:23:34 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I don't think that it was sanitized...

You don't consider turning the phrase "damn lazy Queers/faggots" into "damn white boys" to be sanitizing the quote? I would.

I'll have to get a translation later today to see just how sanitized it is.

31 posted on 08/31/2005 6:37:24 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob
NO, I don't. It is a matter of which dialect. The context of the conversation. If you look at it, the meaning is the same. You can put your own expletive in the areas needed to get the point across.
32 posted on 08/31/2005 7:17:48 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
If you look at it, the meaning is the same.

So "damn lazy Queer/faggot" means exactly the same thing as "damn white boys"? That's absurd.

You can put your own expletive in the areas needed to get the point across.

Alternatively, you can drop them out to clean up the quote.

33 posted on 08/31/2005 7:30:08 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob
is it really clean... I mean if you get the point of the message. It waasn't "cleaned up" to change the meaning of the translation... only cleaned up the foul language to print the article.

No, it wasn't "sanitized", just cleaned

34 posted on 08/31/2005 8:23:39 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Have you gotten your Viking Kittie Patch today? http://www.visualops.com/patch.html)
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