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Did New Orleans Catastrophe Have to Happen?
Philadelphia Editor and Publisher ^ | 8-30-05 | Will Bunch

Posted on 08/30/2005 7:04:35 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

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To: SuziQ

And of course if Saddam had restarted his nuclear weapons program in 2003 and had just blasted New Orleans with a Hiroshima-sized bomb, then Will Bunch would be attacking Bush for NOT invading Iraq and removing Saddam, while wasting money on flood control projects around New Orleans.


101 posted on 08/31/2005 9:10:20 AM PDT by defenderSD (At half past midnight, the ghost of Vince Foster wanders through the West Wing.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
They are in no way related. It is up to Congress to appropriately fund inland waterways repair and maintenance. They have not.

If it wasn't in Bush's budget, then he could be blamed for that failure. At least the GOP in Congress is to blame. Either way, you agree with the message of the article.

102 posted on 08/31/2005 9:12:51 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: cookcounty

We're probably sapped from NG troops doing tours overseas.


103 posted on 08/31/2005 9:14:22 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

I'll bet you a stack of dollars bills that when this disaster is fully analyzed the consensus conclusion will be: Hundreds of politicians from the last thirty years are to blame for wasting federal and state appropriations on pork barrel projects all over the country while not focusing on the critical vulnerability of New Orleans and spending the money in NO. This disaster has been in the making for decades as national and state politicians have neglected New Orleans' flood danger while Robert Byrd builds highways that go nowhere in West Virginia. This great flood will go down in history as a failure of the political class in Washington and Baton Rouge. And of course it was also a bad idea to continue building in New Orleans for hundreds of years while the city has been steadily sinking.


104 posted on 08/31/2005 9:19:25 AM PDT by defenderSD (At half past midnight, the ghost of Vince Foster wanders through the West Wing.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
They could have easily found enough money to fix the levees from the money the DemoRats wasted in the bloated, corrupt NO education bureaucracy:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/education/2002245573_schools19.html

NEW ORLEANS — Dozens of employees indicted or convicted on corruption charges. Tens of millions of dollars unaccounted for. Eight superintendents in seven years. Rock-bottom test scores. Shootings, sirens and police uniforms, often. The threat of bankruptcy and bounced checks, constantly.

In the dismal gallery of failing urban school systems, New Orleans' may be the biggest horror of them all.

In February, the U.S. Education Department said nearly $70 million in federal money for low-income children was either not properly accounted for or misspent.

105 posted on 08/31/2005 9:21:46 AM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: USCTROJRED
If it comes out money meant for N.O. went to Iraq he has got to over come that and roll up his sleeves and help the Gulf Coast.

If we lived in the UK, he'd at least have to answer questions about it. I can't imagine his responding to a question about this or even putting himself in a situation to take questions on it. I like that Blair has to face the lions of Parliament in the Commons every single week.

106 posted on 08/31/2005 9:22:47 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I recently developed an ingrown toe-nail on my right foot, which I totally blame on President Bush.

After all, GWB should have seen this coming and offered to buy me a new pair of shoes.

He is obviously an uncaring lunk.


107 posted on 08/31/2005 9:26:12 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: defenderSD

What frustrates me most about politics is how they are so totally reactive and not proactive. A problem on the horizon? We'll deal with it once it's a crisis. Ridiculous. It's the culture there.


108 posted on 08/31/2005 9:26:20 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: defenderSD
This writer is so dumb that he inadvertantly includes material that argues against his Bush-bashing case.

The media refers to that technique as being "fair and balanced".
But thank you for parsing that tidbit with a pro-Bush spin.
We wouldn't want anybody to actually understand that Dubya butchered the Corps of Engineers' budget now, would we?

109 posted on 08/31/2005 9:46:39 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
My reply: Blame Osama Bin Laden and the islamo-terrorists. If we hadn't responded to them, you would have seen sicknesses worse than cholera. If we hadn't responded to them you would have breathed gasses worse than rotting produce on shipping containers. If we hadn't responded to them you would not seen much at all because you would have been blinded by sun surface temperatures that would have rendered all organic matter to ash. A further hint: It still could happen.
110 posted on 08/31/2005 9:51:22 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Willie Green
"We wouldn't want anybody to actually understand that Dubya butchered the Corps of Engineers' budget now, would we?"

If that's what happened then Bush will take some of the blame for this disaster. But this is a complex issue with many political players involved at the national, state, and local level. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions yet about who is responsible for what. It's fair to make some predictions if you like, but I wouldn't reach any definitive conclusions at this time. It's going to take a long time to figure out all the events over the last 30 years that culminated in this disaster.

111 posted on 08/31/2005 9:56:31 AM PDT by defenderSD (At half past midnight, the ghost of Vince Foster wanders through the West Wing.)
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To: defenderSD
If that's what happened then Bush will take some of the blame for this disaster. But this is a complex issue with many political players involved at the national, state, and local level.

Yes, it is complex and difficult to pinpoint which projects were directly affected.
But in general, it is true that Bush axed the Corps' domestic infrastructure budget across the board.
And shifted much of the remaining resources to rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan.

A Chance to Reshape the Corps (of Engineers)
Army Corps of Engineers workers consider retirement packages
Bush Didn't Seek $150 Million Corps of Engineers Wanted for Security at Dams, Locks, Reservoirs
Corps of Engineers Builds Toward Terror-Free Afghanistan

It wasn't just the levee improvements in New Orleans that were scaled back.
Vital inland waterway infrastructure projects throughout our nation were affected.
This summer, it was New Orleans that suffered the consequences.
Next spring, perhaps it will be the people living along the Ohio River valley who will be flooded out by the spring thaw.

112 posted on 08/31/2005 10:21:48 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Folks, it's simple, the Clintons, Bushes and all the Elite which include Government control by major Coporations was feared and predicted as far back as Benjamin Franklins' day. Due your due diligence. They wanna play all of you for suckers thinking that there is a 2 Party Goverment in America. There is a one Party Goverment controlled by International Bankers and their supporters.

Unless the "dummed down by the media population" wake up can be no revolution and will ultimately result in an American with zero middle class (happening now) and controlled by the super wealthy with no rights and subject to the slavery of "every man, woman, and child in America" which JFK attempted to warn us about 2 weeks before he was shot dead. .

The next State controlled terrorist attack is the next plan around the corner to bring the entire U.S. under total control and obedience to the State Run goverenment Patriot Act which not one of our beloved traitor leaders in Congess even read.

Yes America you've been suckered through the TV Screens in your houses and apartments through false images and lies, and punishment is at hand for your lack of control and discpline to maintain and keep watch on a scrupulous Government composed of thieves, bribe takers, and traitors who have sold at your Great Nation to evil men in the name of self serving greed and hypocrisy. Old America has died. What a shame!


114 posted on 09/01/2005 6:51:29 PM PDT by jstdoit71 (SOlD OUT AMERICA...WE WERE ONCE A GREAT NATION!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane.

What else needs to be said? If the people chose to build there and live there, then I say 'oh well'!!!!!!

It is not for the federal government to guarantee the safety of all idiots in all cities.......

115 posted on 09/01/2005 6:57:23 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: Willie Green
One could make the case that it's more Clinton's fault than Bush's. Viz:
February 17, 1995

An Army Corps of Engineers "hit list" of recommended budget cuts would eliminate new flood-control programs in some of the nation's most flood-prone spots - where recent disasters have left thousands homeless and cost the federal government millions in emergency aid.

Clinton administration officials argue that the flood-control efforts are local projects, not national, and should be paid for by local taxes.

Nationwide, the administration proposes cutting 98 new projects in 35 states and Puerto Rico, for an estimated savings of $29 million in 1996.

Corps officials freely conceded the cuts, which represent only a small portion of savings the corps ultimately must make, may be penny-wise and pound-foolish. But they said they were forced to eliminate some services the corps has historically provided to taxpayers to meet the administration's budget-cutting goals.

June 23, 1995

A hurricane project, approved and financed since 1965, to protect more than 140,000 West Bank residents east of the Harvey Canal is in jeopardy.

The Clinton administration is holding back a Corps of Engineers report recommending that the $120 million project proceed. Unless that report is forwarded to the Office of Management and Budget, Congress cannot authorize money for the project, U.S. Rep. William Jefferson's office said Thursday.

On June 9, John Zirschky, the acting assistant secretary of the Army and the official who refused to forward the report, sent a memo to the corps, saying the recommendation for the project "is not consistent with the policies and budget priorities reflected in the President's Fiscal Year 1996 budget. Accordingly, I will not forward the report to the Office of Management and Budget for clearance."

July 26, 1996

The House voted Thursday for a $19.4 billion energy and water bill that provides $246 million for Army Corps of Engineers projects in Louisiana.

The bill, approved 391-23, is the last of the 13 annual spending measures for 1997 approved by the House.

One area in which the House approved more financing than the president requested was for flood control and maintenance of harbors and shipping routes by the Army Corps of Engineers.

Flood control projects along the Mississippi River and its tributaries were allotted $303 million, or $10 million more than the president wanted.

June 19, 1996

The Army Corps of Engineers, which builds most flood protection levees on a federal-local cost-sharing basis, uses a cost-benefit ratio to justify a project. If the cost of building a levee is considered less than the cost of restoring a flood-ravaged area, the project is more likely to be approved.

For years, the Jean Lafitte-Lower Lafitte-Barataria-Crown Point areas couldn't convince the corps they were worthy of levee protection. But the use of Section 205 and congressional pressure has given the corps a new perspective, Spohrer said.

But even so, when the Clinton administration began to curtail spending on flood control and other projects a year ago, the corps stopped spending on Section 205 projects even after deciding to do a $70,000 preliminary Jean Lafitte study, Spohrer said.

July 22, 1999

In passing a $20.2 billion spending bill this week for water and energy projects, the House Appropriations Committee approved some significant increases in financing for several New Orleans area flood control and navigational projects.

The spending bill is expected on the House floor within the next two weeks.

For the New Orleans District of the Army Corps of Engineers, the panel allocated $106 million for construction projects, about $16 million more than proposed by President Clinton.

The bill would provide $47 million for "southeast Louisiana flood control projects," $16 million for "Lake Pontchartrain and vicinity hurricane protection," $15.9 million for the Inner Harbor Navigation Canal Lock on the Industrial Canal in New Orleans and $2 million for "West Bank hurricane protection -- from New Orleans to Venice."

Most of the projects received significant increases over what the Clinton administration had proposed. The exception: general flood control projects for southeast Louisiana, which remained at the $47 million suggested by Clinton. Local officials had hoped for double that amount.

February 8, 2000

For the metropolitan New Orleans area, Clinton's budget was seen as a mixed bag by local lawmakers and government officials. For instance, while Clinton called for $1.5 billion to be spent at Avondale Industries to continue building LPD-17 landing craft, his budget calls for significantly less than what Congress appropriated last year for Lake Pontchartrain and vicinity hurricane protection and for West Bank flood control projects.

September 29, 2000

The House approved Thursday a $23.6 billion measure for water and energy programs, with sizable increases for several New Orleans area flood-control projects. The Senate will vote Monday, but it may be a while before the bill is enacted.

President Clinton is promising to veto the annual appropriation for the Energy Department and Army Corps of Engineers, not because it is $890 million larger than he proposed, but because it does not include a plan to alter the levels of the Missouri River to protect endangered fish and birds.
Source: EU Rota
116 posted on 09/01/2005 7:05:33 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
One could make the case that it's more Clinton's fault than Bush's.

One could also say that it illustrates that Dubya and Klintoon have a lot in common.

117 posted on 09/01/2005 7:18:40 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: bayam

You've not been zotted yet?


120 posted on 09/03/2005 7:51:02 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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