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The Decline of Fox News
Media Monitor ^ | 8/31/2005 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 08/31/2005 8:40:33 AM PDT by Mike Bates

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To: BMC1
I get my news from other places and it's not the MSM.

Yes, and the main source is right here with Free Republic...

At least whenever you change subjects you don't have to hear "DING - This is a Fox news alert."

101 posted on 08/31/2005 9:15:04 AM PDT by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: HarleyLady27
Well if your article is truthfull, then why is Fox News Channel leading in all the cable news polls?

I have two responses to that: 1) it shows how awful the other cable networks really are, and 2) quality doesn't always win out, especially where television is concerned.

Tabloid television sells. One tabloid television station might be better than another, but that doesn't make it high-quality in its own right.

102 posted on 08/31/2005 9:15:10 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Alberta's Child
"Everything you need to know in life can be learned right here on FreeRepublic"

If you include Rush, I agree. However I am a creature of habit and find it necessary to watch TV News. FOX, with all of its shortcomings, still serves that purpose better than the other Networks. Also, I work until 2:15 PM and only listen consistently to Rush for the final 45 minutes of the day. The only way I can keep up with Rush is by reading NewMax.com during Lunch.
103 posted on 08/31/2005 9:15:23 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Trust but Verify

I watch Fox and Friends both weekday and weekends (love them!) and Shepard Smith.


104 posted on 08/31/2005 9:16:54 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: Mike Bates

We listen to Rush then Brit. The only two serious shows on the face of the earth.


105 posted on 08/31/2005 9:17:18 AM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than anyone can ever imagine. He is solid as a rock)
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To: CommandoFrank

Fox is alright, but its numbers are high because CNN and PMSNBC are unwatchable. Few people are more annoying than Aaron Brown or Chris Matthews.


106 posted on 08/31/2005 9:18:05 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: TommyDale
Yet the Fox news numbers continue to rise. The ratings actually showed that more people WANTED to see the Aruba story. Someone please explain that one.

Could it be the difference between 'sustained' viewing & 'drive-by' viewing? I'm not expert on TV ratings, but it seems like the ratings agencies have a hard time distinguishing between the 2. The one place you know where to find the latest development on the Holloway case is FoxNews. Seems to me that this churns the drive-by numbers...

107 posted on 08/31/2005 9:18:08 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Alberta's Child

It's becoming increasingly clear to me that Fox is marketing itself to an audience with an average IQ of about 90
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Mean or median? Inquiring minds want to know.


108 posted on 08/31/2005 9:19:54 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put - NOT evict others.)
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To: sodpoodle
Neither -- it's actually the mode, and not the mean nor the median. :-P
109 posted on 08/31/2005 9:22:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Mike Bates

The Decline of Fox News

Quantitatively per the ratings,
No

Qualitatively per the feedback,
Yes


110 posted on 08/31/2005 9:24:58 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Mike Bates

Something's happening in Aruba?


111 posted on 08/31/2005 9:24:59 AM PDT by voteconstitutionparty
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To: shekkian
Hey, lighten up.

Well, if you absolutely insist. . .

112 posted on 08/31/2005 9:25:05 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Thanks for the vote of condidence and support!

I would be open as the others might be, but only if Laurie Dhue is my personal assistant. :}


113 posted on 08/31/2005 9:27:34 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Mike Bates

Seems to me that many people here don't want to admit they watch Fox News...for fear of being labeled a radical right-winger by their lefty friends.
It's the same mindset that afflicts those RINO's in Washington, trying to get along with Tim, Katie, et al.


114 posted on 08/31/2005 9:27:51 AM PDT by threeleftsmakearight
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To: Fierce Allegiance; steveegg
"Nork, Glock, Steveegg, Westcoastgal and Grrrr could host the weekly NASCAR Shows "

Count me in , but please don't make me dress like those pit lizards on Nascar Nation!

115 posted on 08/31/2005 9:28:45 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Thank you JR for pulling this limping team across the finish in 9th place)
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To: 1Old Pro
Ratings for FOX just released and they were up HUGE, again. I guess the FACTS dispute the author's premise.

The ratings are historical, whatever Fox is doing to undermine its audience will show up later on, if an when, a alternative goes on the air. I still have a negative sense of CNN that stems from the damage they did during the OJ trial. Who has been able to accept them as a serious news business since? If FOX create enough of that kind of negative association, people are going to be willing to change channels; and, the way the whole broadcast/cable space has been going I wouldn't be surprise if they started disconnecting altogether. In my home the TV has been relegated to serve as little more then a monitor for the DVD. The cable is there to provide some news access, but I am getting less and less out of that, and I probably wouldn't feel disconnected if I disconnected.
116 posted on 08/31/2005 9:28:55 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Alberta's Child

Well, I for one am just stuned - because I watch Fox news and thoroughly enjoy doing so.

sP-:


117 posted on 08/31/2005 9:29:34 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newbie, PhD. Tenure allows you to stay put - NOT evict others.)
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To: billbears

I thought they were conservatives.


118 posted on 08/31/2005 9:30:33 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"I would be open as the others might be, but only if Laurie Dhue is my personal assistant. :}"

I just told FA and Steve that I was open but not to make me dress like the pit lizards on NN.

I would choose Shep or Greg Kelly as my personal assistant. News wise, but as for Nascar, well, ya'll know who my assistant would be. Guest host I guess would be his name.

119 posted on 08/31/2005 9:32:28 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Thank you JR for pulling this limping team across the finish in 9th place)
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To: Mike Bates

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I personally have an eye for Juliet Huddy.


120 posted on 08/31/2005 9:39:39 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Red Badger

"Yeah! Greta in a swimsuit! can't Wait for the calendar!......"


I was just getting ready to go to lunch until the image of Greta in a swimsuit came into my head. Why did you have to ruin my lunch for!?


121 posted on 08/31/2005 9:46:56 AM PDT by dmw
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To: Mike Bates
I wish somebody would back these claims of ALL NATALLE ALL THE TIME up with some FARD FACTS. It is not even the only topic on Greta's show which is the most Holloway intensive program on FOX.

I would be willing to bet that the Fox News Channel deals with the Holloway case less than ne hour each day unless there is breaking news on the subject.
122 posted on 08/31/2005 9:52:41 AM PDT by msnimje
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To: msnimje

NE hour = ONE hour


123 posted on 08/31/2005 9:53:01 AM PDT by msnimje
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To: CommandoFrank
At least whenever you change subjects you don't have to hear "DING - This is a Fox news alert."

100% correct. It used to be when you heard the "Ding", your heart would skip a beat and you'd zone in on what vital information was coming next. Now it's as annoying as the snooze on the alarm in the morning!

124 posted on 08/31/2005 9:53:20 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: Mike Bates

I TiVo Brit and Cavuto. I'll sometimes watch Shep if I want some "lite" news or to have something on in the background while I'm checking out FR on the den laptop.


125 posted on 08/31/2005 9:55:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

I really didn't ever think I'd say I find the loofah boy more interesting than Vannity and the Vulture, but other than for something to watch to put me to sleep, I can't stand H&C. They suck! Greta is better than them. And they are like a pre-hash of her show. Less and less politics. Maybe the pols that count don't want to come on anymore, I don't know.

As Bill Maher put it, O'Reilly's show moves along at a clip that never bores. I enjoy it. I like his campaign to get the kiddie rapers put away one strike and out. I don't listen to him on the radio, but I do watch him.

Why can't we get someone other than Fox to rip into the liberals, eh?


126 posted on 08/31/2005 9:58:14 AM PDT by johnb838 (Pray for Gods Grace to be manifest on the Gulf Coast especially in New Orleans.)
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To: shekkian
I personally have an eye for Juliet Huddy.

Hummana.... hummana.... hummana!!!

It doesn't even phase Mrs. Mn-Bush-Man when she sees me gawking at Juliet. She's HOT! (although the "juvenile" tone that Mike adds to "weekend" drives me nuts sometimes)

127 posted on 08/31/2005 10:00:53 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: GianniV
Okay - the news update anchors are hot. Take it easy.

Umma Pemmaraju!..........those eyes!.........

128 posted on 08/31/2005 10:02:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: cwb

Course it's not just Natalee and the family, as compelling as they are, but watching a government snowjob and screwjob right in public while the world watches -- that's what's interesting.


129 posted on 08/31/2005 10:02:29 AM PDT by johnb838 (Pray for Gods Grace to be manifest on the Gulf Coast especially in New Orleans.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Fox News is nothing more than the same tabloid sh!t that pervades all of Rupert Murdoch's media outlets.
So you watch what - CNN? C_BS? BBC? Inquiring minds want to know.
130 posted on 08/31/2005 10:02:31 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: kevkrom
Absolutely right on the mark. After shutting off FOX news this morning I tried to figure out why I have such a distaste for FNC now when I used to spend about 10hrs a day or so watching. I came to the same conclusion as you did.

When they first started they had relatively unknowns doing the news and talk shows. It was an absolute breath of fresh air. I loved Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade in the morning. (ED is annoying and boring. She is like inviting your nagging mother to a party. Everyone is having a good time and she has to throw a wet blanket on it.)

Now they have hired so many "anchors" from the very channels that we were trying to escape from. I expect to see Keith Olberman any day now! (John Gibson is the only acquisition who came from MSNBC and is worth it. As for the rest, if I wanted CNN I would watch CNN. If I wanted MSNBC I would watch MSNBC.

Are there still good things about FNC? Sure, but it is rapidly deteriorating.

131 posted on 08/31/2005 10:02:59 AM PDT by asp1
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To: WestCoastGal

How about like Patti Ann 3 posts above your?


132 posted on 08/31/2005 10:05:05 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Mike Bates

How about Nancy Grace on CNN.


133 posted on 08/31/2005 10:07:13 AM PDT by usslsm51
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To: Trust but Verify
I watch Cavuto and Special Report w/ BH. That's it.

Same here; almost all the rest is utter tabloid crap, prior to Cavuto, then resuming when Brit's show ends and going for hours and hours.

134 posted on 08/31/2005 10:07:16 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: mn-bush-man

That's part of live television. You never know when someone is going to turn on the television for the first time that day. It's not like with a newspaper, which has one space for a banner headline and prioritizes everything else accordingly.

And since the 24/7 networks are in disaster mode, they know many viewers will be checking in for updates. FR is a little different in that we have a number of news junkies (myself included) who will watch wall-to-wall coverage. Therefore, the alerts are more annoying to us.

As for Aruba, I agree. That's a story that has been drastically overcovered in my opinion.


135 posted on 08/31/2005 10:07:19 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Pardon me while I have a strange interlude. " - Captain Jeffrey T. Spaulding)
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To: Mike Bates
Fox News is becoming more and more like the other Fox channels..."reality" crap 24/7. But hey, it's what people want.
136 posted on 08/31/2005 10:08:53 AM PDT by WolfRunnerWoman (Pardon…your hyperbole is showing.)
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To: ZULU

If your definition of conservative is Fox, then they are. But I don't consider the Republican agenda, foreign or domestic, to be that conservative.


137 posted on 08/31/2005 10:09:14 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Phantom Lord

I would say the decline has been qualitative rather than quantitative. The fact that their ratings are up tends to confirm that they are going for the lowest common denominator viewer. Their fixation with crime stories is sickening.


138 posted on 08/31/2005 10:12:06 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Liberals preach comity and practice calumny.)
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To: Mike Bates
I find myself spending less time watching FoxNews.

Ditto.

In fact, I don't recall the last time I tuned in. For the record, I stick to local TV news only.

More news, less entertainment.
139 posted on 08/31/2005 10:12:52 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock - Make the elected personally liable for their wasteful spending)
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To: Mike Bates

Rush Limbaugh, Brit Hume, Mark Styne and Charles Krauthammer. Everybody else is just window dressing. Ann Coulter and PJ O'Rourke I find merely entertaining. JMHO of course.


140 posted on 08/31/2005 10:13:43 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: oh8eleven
I don't watch any of them. Everything I need to know I can find right here on FreeRepublic.

I've often said that the dumbest Freeper is far more intelligent than the brightest news anchor from any network.

141 posted on 08/31/2005 10:16:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: WhiteGuy
For the record, I stick to local TV news only. More news, less entertainment.

Around here (metropolitan Chicago) the local news is basically a televised version of the police blotter.

142 posted on 08/31/2005 10:16:40 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates
Gee, this op-ed seems to conflict with this report.

Conservative Fox News Channel Up 32% (WOW) In August Ratings As Other Cable News Operations Crash

143 posted on 08/31/2005 10:17:44 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: Mike Bates

"Around here (metropolitan Chicago) the local news is basically a televised version of the police blotter."

At least that is interesting............

Here in Columbus it's all weather and traffic all the time..........


144 posted on 08/31/2005 10:18:42 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock - Make the elected personally liable for their wasteful spending)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

This was an idea several years ago. However, most of the "hosts" have been banned or gone on to other forum adventures.


145 posted on 08/31/2005 10:21:07 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Mike Bates

Yep. It is gone as a reliable source. I can barely tolerate more than a couple of minutes at a time.


146 posted on 08/31/2005 10:21:17 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: mn-bush-man

Huddy neads a decent meal.

She looks too much like a little girl than a full grown woman. But that's just my opinion.


147 posted on 08/31/2005 10:21:37 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: McGruff
Gee, this op-ed seems to conflict with this report.

As noted by others on this thread, not really. The piece focuses on the quality of FoxNews rather than its popularity.

148 posted on 08/31/2005 10:21:54 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: billbears

Actually, I'm looking for some guidance here.

I thought Krauthammer was conservative as he supports the war against Terrorism in Iraq, which I thought was a conservative position. Hannity also, I thought was conservative, although he becomes overly maudlin at times about illegal invaders.

Although I have many problems with the Bush Administration, most particularly and recently its total ineptitude at protecting our southern border from invaders, on the whole I support the efforts in Iraq.
What disturbs me in that area is it appears we have been bogged down there too long, while other equally dangerous targets like Iran, Syria and North Korea are permitted to fester unattended to.

I alos am concerned about splinter elements in the Republican Party like John McCain et al, and the problems in facing down the Democrat minority in the Senate over Judicial appointments.

The apparent dearth of real conservative figures on the national level in the Republican Party is also an issue of concern.

Romney, Giuliani, Frist, McCain, etc. are really not representative of the majoirty of Republicans, I feel, on most issues.

Rice is still pretty much an unknown qunaitity, and so are Allen and Pence. Tancredo is good on the illegal invader issue, but where does he stand on other subjects?


149 posted on 08/31/2005 10:27:18 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Mike Bates
Brit Hume's program is now the only one I regularly try to catch.

Hume's Special Report is by far the best show on FNC, to be sure. Cavuto's show is pretty good too. The rest range from inconsistent (The O'Reilly Factor) to pure garbage (Hannity & Colmes).

150 posted on 08/31/2005 10:28:10 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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