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The Decline of Fox News
Media Monitor ^ | 8/31/2005 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 08/31/2005 8:40:33 AM PDT by Mike Bates

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To: Mike Bates

I haven't watched BO, H & C, and Greta in over a year. In fact, other than Brit Hume, I haven't watch FNC since it went 24/7 over Scott Peterson. Although FNC is apparently holding its place from a ratings standpoint, I have to believe its because (a) it has more cable outlets than it had a year ago; and/or (b) thay are replacing the middle to high wage viewers that advertizers love with low or no wage welfare queens and Jerry Springer fans.


51 posted on 08/31/2005 8:54:39 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Red Badger

Replace Greta with Ann Coulter....Now we're talking ratings!


52 posted on 08/31/2005 8:55:04 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (Warning: Exposure to the SON may PREVENT burning.)
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To: Mike Bates
Maybe it's not the best but it's the best we have.


53 posted on 08/31/2005 8:55:11 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Whether you're rich or poor....it's nice to have money.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Looks like they have a break from Natalie with this hurricane. They are going to spend the next two or three weeks obsessing over the hurricane.


54 posted on 08/31/2005 8:55:11 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Phantom Lord

I believe he was talking about a decline in the quality...not the ratings.

Any idiot tv station could get ratings by showing non stop car crashes and train wrecks.

Apparently this is the strategy of FNC.


55 posted on 08/31/2005 8:55:20 AM PDT by Sometimes A River (Elegant Funeral Ruined By Presence Of Hideous Corpse)
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To: kempo
You need to back to school and learn how to count. Apparently you haven't looked at the numbers.

And precisely what did I write in my post that causes you to say that? Ratings weren't mentioned.

56 posted on 08/31/2005 8:55:49 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

Fox News, All Aruba, All The Time!


57 posted on 08/31/2005 8:55:49 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Cindy Sheehan, Pat Buchanan, John Conyers, and David Duke Are Just Different Sides of the Same Coin.)
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To: Red Badger

Okay - the news update anchors are hot. Take it easy.


58 posted on 08/31/2005 8:56:26 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: Mike Bates

I was channel surfing last night, during innings of the Mets' game..MSNBC had Rita Cosby reporting on Katrina and NOLA live from Aruba...can you believe it?


59 posted on 08/31/2005 8:57:13 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Brilliant

I don't know if I would call it obsessing. I think over the next 3 weeks, there will be a hell of a lot of real, hard news coming out of the destruction. Something else not of that scale will come along, though, and it will be just like their wall-to-wall Natalee coverage.


60 posted on 08/31/2005 8:57:29 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Mike Bates
With FR as a primary resource, I pretty much don't need to watch network news. Quite frankly, most of it is 2 to 3 days old from what we learn here. But when there is a disaster, it is a logical place to turn. I was amazed at how miserable was the coverage Monday morning on Fox. Not only was the "morons in the morning" format bad, but they had only one or two old clips played over and over again. CNN was better and quite frankly they eat Fox's lunch when it comes to live coverage, but CNN couldn't compare to the coverage by the local stations streaming via the web. WDSU has done a magnificent job teaming with their sister Hearst stations and I'm sure that is a model that will be well studied. I assume WWL is doing something similar.

I think Fox is suffering from lack of competition on the right. By comparison, they have that segment locked and will drift left to increase their share. That makes sense from a theoretical point of view but their execution is lousy and they are breaking what made them successful. They really need a right-leaning competitor to make them improve.

61 posted on 08/31/2005 8:57:33 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: Alberta's Child
I absolutely astounds me when I read what some people put on this site. I have been here for a long time, and never have I seen so many people complaining about conservatives, conservative news outlets and conservative commentators. I it almost as if we have a small (at least I am pretty sure it is small) group of elitists that think they are the only ones who can define conservatism. We appear to be tearing ourselves apart.

Personally, I don't care what you A**h***s think. I am sticking with what got us here and that includes Fox news, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

I will just ignore your pompous opinions and I hope the majority on FreeRepublic do the same.

62 posted on 08/31/2005 8:57:43 AM PDT by saminfl
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To: Alberta's Child; All
People who want the facts and a balanced treatment of the commentary have to choose from either the National Alphabet Networks, Cable such as MSNBC, CNN or FOX News. I am tired of hearing about Aruba now and Scott Peterson/ Schiavo/whatever before. But FOX is still the best choice for me by far. What are your thoughts?
63 posted on 08/31/2005 8:57:54 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Mike Bates

Fox wins because 1) Their on air personalities have personality. There is much more emotional attachment to the anchors. 2) It's format keeps the news interesting. 3) They are actually fair and balanced so those with a conservative bent really have only one source they can tolerate.


64 posted on 08/31/2005 8:58:01 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Mike Bates
The problem with having a 24-hour news channel is that you have to find 24 hours worth of news to fill the day, every day. And if you have to find something, make something up, and exaggerate something, you do--no one likes dead air.

I don't have Fox News where I live (Japan), but I remember how it was. "Pretty white girl in trouble!"

65 posted on 08/31/2005 8:58:01 AM PDT by Alien Gunfighter (Socialist liberals never imagine themselves as peasants under their 'perfect' socialist regime)
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To: Mike Bates

I do not see it as declinging, but rather misled into pleasing the public and grabbing the viewers.


66 posted on 08/31/2005 8:58:49 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Acts 2:38; HarleyLady27; 1Old Pro
I believe he was talking about a decline in the quality...not the ratings.

Thank you for noticing that, sir.

67 posted on 08/31/2005 8:58:54 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

I find myself spending less time watching FoxNews. Brit Hume's program is now the only one I regularly try to catch.



Me too, for about a year now...
Brit's show is good and Cavuto is decenet but the other "news analysis" shows rehash the same tripe all day long. Fox news has become a tabloid channel.
And the "FOX NEWS ALERTS" are silly.
What will they do when a REAL, urgent breaking story happens? "FOX NEWS SUPER SPECIAL THIS TIME ITS FOR REAL ALERT, ALERT!"

FOX is no better or worse than the left wind channels...
I suck it up and scan CNN, NWI & the others now if I want world/US news. I can see through the left wing bias of the other channels and still get decent news...


68 posted on 08/31/2005 8:59:52 AM PDT by Ribeye (Protective headwear courtesy of "Reynolds Aluminum Products - Implant Suppression Division")
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To: Alberta's Child
It's becoming increasingly clear to me that Fox is marketing itself to an audience with an average IQ of about 90.

Ditto

69 posted on 08/31/2005 9:00:08 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Mike Bates
I also like Brit Hume. I also like Hannity, however, I CAN'T stand Colmes. No matter what happens with th loony left, he finds a way to defend them.

I'm also loosing interest because they hired Wesley Clark as a expert contributer. The only thing he does is bash President Bush.

Fair and balanced doesn't mean hiring IDIOTS. I find myself turning off FOX more and more. I get my news from other places and it's not the MSM.
70 posted on 08/31/2005 9:00:38 AM PDT by BMC1
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I think it's a whole lot more important than the stuff they normally report on. But they really have tapped into the obsessiveness of the American personality. It's one obession after another with them.

It apparently works, too.


71 posted on 08/31/2005 9:00:40 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: TommyDale
Yet the Fox news numbers continue to rise. The ratings actually showed that more people WANTED to see the Aruba story. Someone please explain that one.

I can't explain that one. I have just about stopped watching Fox during the weekends entirely. The coverage of Crawford was the worst out there. I spent the weekend flipping channels and listening to the radio for coverage and Fox low-balled the pro American groups worse than CNN.

Britt Hume straightened that out when the weekend was over but damage was done to credibility.

72 posted on 08/31/2005 9:01:13 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: GianniV

"Fox News has two good things left:

1) Brit Hume

2) Smoking, hot babes"

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I disagree. It should be:

Fox News has two good things left:

1) Smoking, hot babes*

2) Brit Hume


* -- Um, Greta not included. :-)


73 posted on 08/31/2005 9:01:38 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: Mike Bates
I find myself spending less time watching FoxNews. Brit Hume's program is now the only one I regularly try to catch.

Dittos to that...

74 posted on 08/31/2005 9:02:22 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: saminfl

You are 100% correct in you view. However, you may be arguing with those who agree with you more than disagree. We do not want to sound like "they' do now, do we?


75 posted on 08/31/2005 9:02:25 AM PDT by wmileo
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To: Mike Bates
I remeber when CNN was a refreshing break from the establishment media... it was no-nonsense, hard-hitting, and (compared to the establishment) reasonably agenda-free.

Then the "professional journalists" took over.

Fox News is suffering the same fate, as the wheel of history continues to turn.

76 posted on 08/31/2005 9:02:44 AM PDT by kevkrom (WARNING: If you're not sure whether or not it's sarcasm, it probably is.)
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To: Brilliant

Apparently, yes, but how? I don't know.


77 posted on 08/31/2005 9:02:59 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Mike Bates

Actually, I find this pretty typical. We play with new toys a lot more than than old ones.

When I first got cable, I watched ESPN and CNN all the time. I watched silly things like Australian Rules football late at night on ESPN and wall to wall of the DC Air Florida Crash on CNN.

Then I moved and my new cable had CourtTV. I had quit watching CNN much at all and ESPN other than sports I was actually interested in. But I begain watching trials and trial stories which was a show with a one hour recap of famous trials they showed. I saw a lot of the Mendez brothers etc. But then I tired of CourtTV and cases that really did not matter even famous ones.

Then my cable added FNC. So I watched lots of news stories on Fox. It was amazing to see somewhat old fashioned straight new reporting. But like you after awhile, Britt Hume has become the one thing I watch all the time. I watched a lot of History channel at this time too.

Now some of it is me and the new toy effect. Some of it is how these stations evolve all fighting for ratings. One great example has been the evolution of the Arts and Entertainment Channel into the Trash and Entertainment Channel with Gottis and Bounty Hunters.

As for Fox, they have not changed that much. Certainly missing attactive people are somewhat newworthy. And it is something to pass the time between serious stories that the public will pay attention to. And the battle of the Dim idiot v. the GOP backer in political segments can grow tiresome too.


78 posted on 08/31/2005 9:03:23 AM PDT by JLS
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To: Mike Bates

Hey, lighten up. There's a new story to make us forget Aruba. Katrina.</sarcasm>


79 posted on 08/31/2005 9:03:34 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: Fierce Allegiance; NormsRevenge; glock rocks; steveegg; WestCoastGal; GRRRRR
Nork, Glock, Steveegg, Westcoastgal and Grrrr could host the weekly NASCAR Shows

Do we get media passes? :-)

80 posted on 08/31/2005 9:04:32 AM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Where do I sign up? :)


81 posted on 08/31/2005 9:04:43 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: saminfl
I hate to break this to you, but Fox News ain't really "conservative" at all. Do a little research on Mr. Rupert Murdoch and his media empire and then ask yourself what would make anyone think he's a conservative (in the American sense of the word). Fox News is nothing more than tabloid television, which is reflected by the fact that the biggest component of their ratings growth over the last year has been the one thing that most people here on FreeRepublic find so tiresome -- the inane, endless coverage of the Natalee Holloway story.

Granted, Ann Coulter is an icon of the conservative movement, but I haven't watched Fox News since they hired that @sshole Geraldo Rivera -- and warned them as much when that move was announced a couple of years ago.

You have yourself a great day.

Sincerely,

Alberta's Child

P.S. Nobody on Fox could hold a candle to Rush Limbaugh.

82 posted on 08/31/2005 9:05:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: Alien Gunfighter
The problem with having a 24-hour news channel is that you have to find 24 hours worth of news to fill the day, every day.

And that is what puzzles me about Fox.

For example - They have a "cousin" in Sky News. There are world stories they could share to fill up the time with new news rather than repeat the same stuff over and over. Weekends are a waste as they repeat the same shows 2 to 4 times a day. Then do it again on Sunday.

It is time for Fox to "grow up" and differentiate themselves from CNN rather than to move to the same format as CNN - Tragedy TV.

83 posted on 08/31/2005 9:06:29 AM PDT by llevrok (No bozos on this bus.)
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To: Mike Bates

Brit Hume is my fav. I trust him more than any of 'em.


84 posted on 08/31/2005 9:06:50 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: wmileo
What are your thoughts?

Give up on all of those networks. Everything you need to know in life can be learned right here on FreeRepublic.

85 posted on 08/31/2005 9:07:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: GianniV

I agree with #2. Juliet, Rebecca, Lauren, Martha, Laurie...I could go on.


86 posted on 08/31/2005 9:07:58 AM PDT by isom35
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To: Texas_Jarhead
It's the same with me. I still like Brit Hume's show, Media Watch, and the Beltway Boys but I infrequently watch BOR or H&C anymore.

That's about all my husband and I watch now on FNC. We used to be regular viewers of BOR and H&C, even Greta, but only if she was discussing the War on Terrorism, Bill Gertz, etc. A few others we like: Cal Thomas' show on Saturday nights, some of the Sat. AM "business block" shows, and Neil Cavuto, although I'm rarely home at that time to catch the entire show.

Sadly, Joe Scarborough of MSNBC's "Scarborough Country" has also jumped on the Natalee bandwagon.

87 posted on 08/31/2005 9:08:38 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: steveegg

If so, I wanna drive the truck, and be a turn 1 tower camera operator. Who is gonna be our cook? Ummm, I can smell the ribs already!


88 posted on 08/31/2005 9:08:59 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Like I said, Americans have obsessive personalities. Fox milks each story as much as it can, and then they look for another story to obsess over.

What's interesting is to watch Greta between stories. She throws up a bunch of "so what?" stories to see if she can get one to stick. Then when she's got one that sticks, she runs with it. All of the other stories she reported on in the interim are completely forgotten.

When she can't find one that sticks, she looks lost, wandering aimlessly.


89 posted on 08/31/2005 9:09:21 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; Timesink; VPMWife78; Gracey; Alamo-Girl; RottiBiz; FoxGirl; Mr. Bob; xflisa; ...
FoxFan ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my FoxFan list. *Warning: This can be a high-volume ping list at times.

90 posted on 08/31/2005 9:09:35 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Mike Bates

My mom has been following Aruba every day.
It's the new soap opera.
Definitely a woman thing.


91 posted on 08/31/2005 9:10:09 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: TommyDale

"Yet the Fox news numbers continue to rise. The ratings actually showed that more people WANTED to see the Aruba story. Someone please explain that one."


Exactly. Greta's numbers were higher than O'Reilly's when she was in Aruba. Don't blame FOX news...they're just giving the audience what they want...blame Americans for watching 24/7. The same ones who watch all the reality crap tv shows and buy National Enquirer.

O'Reilly and Hannity don't have that much coverage of Aruba lately. I love Neil Cavuto, John Gibson, Brit Hume, Sean and sometime O'Reilly. Compared to the liberal garbage the MSM puts out, FOX is a godsend.


92 posted on 08/31/2005 9:10:35 AM PDT by bluerose (Without the sons and daughters of the American people,this country wouldn't amount to anything.-Rush)
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To: Red Badger
2) Smoking, hot babes Yeah! Greta in a swimsuit! can't Wait for the calendar!...... Well, I like Laurie Dhue, but she has her lips all blown out with Botox, I think she should cool it on that stuff!
93 posted on 08/31/2005 9:11:16 AM PDT by micho
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To: GianniV; Mike Bates

Ditto and ditto.


94 posted on 08/31/2005 9:12:15 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Mike Bates

This may be true, but I think FNC is the only thing driving this case. If FNC gave up on it, Aruba would have told the girls mother to take a hike.


95 posted on 08/31/2005 9:12:28 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Mike Bates
I, too, watch Brit and not Hannity & Bigot or O'ralph or Lantern Jaw.
See tagline for news source.
96 posted on 08/31/2005 9:12:33 AM PDT by Prost1 (New AG, Berger is still free, copped a plea! I still get my news from FR!)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

Fox news was pandering from day one. You think the same company they fills the airways with the most tasteless stuff imagineable was philosophically in tune with the stuff they were airing.

It's all about giving people what they want.


97 posted on 08/31/2005 9:13:33 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Phantom Lord
Fox News up 34% in August Talk about a chanell in decline! No idea how than can hang onto #1 at this pace.

LOL, talk about putting a chill on the anti-FOX crowd!

98 posted on 08/31/2005 9:13:36 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks for the ping!


99 posted on 08/31/2005 9:14:15 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mike Bates
Rather than using the bully pulpit that a major news organization like Fox has to OUT THE SOURCE OF THE MISERY AND MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE , FOX, CNN, MSNBC, ETC. instead find the Nielson ratings($$$$)greater if they just showcase the misery itself, as that seems to comfort/pacify(brainwash) the "look at those poor slobs, glad I'm not them" masses.

If people didn't like it they wouldn't tune in. Says more about society today than just the valueless, irresponsible, money hungry news networks/media outlets.

In my opinion television and others in the so-called "entertainment" industry ARE the source of much of the misery today and have been for 40 years.

This big "reality TV" thing today is nothing but a gold mine for the elite media conglomerates used to showcase the stupidity/gullibility of the "little people". Imagine having a TV program where you don't have to pay "stars" a million an episode but still pull down the same advertising dollars.(hmmm, sounds like outsourcing, doesn't it?)

Surprised I haven't heard the actor unions up in arms over this. Hopefully they'll realise they're are all getting hosed and they'll all go on strike, get the techie unions to do the same and force the whole industry to shutdown...

....and in doing so save this country a lot of misery.

100 posted on 08/31/2005 9:14:57 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!")
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