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Senate Panel Plans Hearing Into Reports on Terrorist (Able Danger)
NY Times ^ | September 1, 2005 | PHILIP SHENON

Posted on 08/31/2005 11:48:59 PM PDT by neverdem

WASHINGTON, Aug. 31 - The Senate Judiciary Committee announced Wednesday that it was investigating reports from two military officers that a highly classified Pentagon intelligence program identified the Sept. 11 ringleader as a potential terrorist more than a year before the attacks.

The committee's chairman, Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, said in an interview that he was scheduling a public hearing on Sept. 14 "to get to the bottom of this" and that the military officers "appear to have credibility."

The senator said his staff had confirmed reports from the two officers that employees of the intelligence program tried to contact the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 2000 to discuss the work of the program, known as Able Danger.

The officers, Capt. Scott J. Phillpott of the Navy and Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer of the Army, have said the intelligence program identified the terrorist ringleader, Mohamed Atta, by early 2000. Colonel Shaffer, a reservist, has said three meetings with F.B.I. agents in 2000 to discuss Able Danger were canceled on the order of military lawyers.

Senator Specter's announcement came as the Pentagon said again on Wednesday that while it was not disputing the officers' reports, it could find no documentation to back up what they were saying.

"Not only can we not find documentation, we can't find documents to lead us to the documentation," said Maj. Paul Swiergosz, a Pentagon spokesman.

Other Pentagon officials have suggested that the memories of Captain Phillpott and Colonel Shaffer are flawed and that Mr. Atta could not have been identified before the attacks, a view shared by members of the independent commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks.

But Colonel Shaffer and military officials involved in the intelligence program say it may not be surprising that documents were destroyed, since the project became...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Announcements; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abledanger; atta; clintonfailures; clintonlegacy; clintonscandals; coverup; whitewash

1 posted on 08/31/2005 11:49:01 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Arlen, Arlen, he's our man,
If he can't do it....


ah, crap.


2 posted on 08/31/2005 11:53:32 PM PDT by kenth (north Georgia mountains - prayers for all in the path of Katrina)
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To: neverdem
Do you know of anyone who maintains an Able Danger ping list?

GretchenM and vadkins are asking for one on this thread.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1474635/posts?page=21 Thanks! ;)

3 posted on 09/01/2005 12:05:37 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: Squantos; El Gato; Travis McGee; All
Let the games begin!

Notice that when you link to the excerpt, you are led to believe that the story has been given some status because it's listed on a webpage as "Next Article in Washington (3 of 3) >". It's not unreasonable to think that you would find it on their running homepage as the third story in the "Washington" section, but it wasn't the last time that I looked. It's below the fold on the "Washington" section webpage.

4 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:17 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: smoothsailing; vadkins
Do you know of anyone who maintains an Able Danger ping list?

No. Look under Atta as a keyword. That's how vadkins post was categorized by the mods. Atta (Able Danger)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=atta

5 posted on 09/01/2005 12:38:31 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Enchante; ScaniaBoy; Alamo-Girl; Peach; backhoe; doug from upland; ravingnutter

Okay, so Sep. 14 is the date set for Specter to try to derail Able Danger. (yes, I'm cynical.) And Weldon is supposed to drop more info next week. This should get fun.

Hopefully, NO will be under control by then, and the hour-to-hour crisis will be over.


6 posted on 09/01/2005 12:41:14 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (FAIRTAX.ORG)
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To: neverdem
Thanks!
7 posted on 09/01/2005 12:42:47 AM PDT by smoothsailing (Qui Nhon Turtle Co.)
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To: neverdem

I must say, this is terribly convenient. I can just post a copy of my response to an older (10-15 minutes ago) post.

To: smoothsailing
"With Arlen Specter calling these hearings,however,forgive me for being a bit skeptical."


I think I can feel a "pristine bullet" coming on. This could be very reminiscent of the 9-11 Commission Hearings or the U.N. self-investigation concerning Oil-For-Food (where one lamb has already been sacrificed).



8 posted on 09/01/2005 12:47:07 AM PDT by David Isaac
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To: ovrtaxt

I'm calendaring Sept. 14 so I don't make plans that day. Thanks!


9 posted on 09/01/2005 3:05:21 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Peach

I'm glad there will be a hearing, even just a one day hearing, which probably won't be shown live even on C-span 3. But you know what? I have the feeling some schmuck IG officer, or mid-level muckety muck in the Pentagon's General Counsel office, will fall on his sword for making the decision to kill Able Danger and destroy all it's documentation. And that will be that.

I don't think Spector will push to find out why the 9-ll Commission omitted Able Danger information from it's Report.


10 posted on 09/01/2005 4:55:34 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@)
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To: YaYa123

Oh, that's discouraging. Is there NO good news out there :-)


11 posted on 09/01/2005 4:57:34 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Peach

You ask a very difficult question, and here's the best I can do for you. I'm grasping for anything here:

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12 posted on 09/01/2005 5:31:58 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@)
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To: ovrtaxt
Okay, so Sep. 14 is the date set for Specter to try to derail Able Danger. (yes, I'm cynical.) And Weldon is supposed to drop more info next week. This should get fun.

Sadly I have to agree with you that Specter cannot be counted on to do anything but harm to Weldon's cause. I am curious why this is being handled by the Judiciary Committee when it is a national security issue. My cynical mind says that Specter offered up the help Weldon needs in the Senate in order to get control and to kill it. I hope I'm wrong.

13 posted on 09/01/2005 5:36:45 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: kenth

Perpetual cynics seem to forget that one of the main reasons Justice Thomas has his seat is because of the work of Arlen Specter. Not one of my favorite Senators but I have no doubt he will do good work here for the right thing.


14 posted on 09/01/2005 6:23:34 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: ovrtaxt

14 applies to you.


15 posted on 09/01/2005 6:24:33 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: YaYa123

Not only will "that" not be "that" but there will likely be multiple hearings held on this in both the House and the Senate. See 14


16 posted on 09/01/2005 6:25:48 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: neverdem
bump ... another spector hearing .. got to daub that wall
17 posted on 09/01/2005 6:26:11 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping!


18 posted on 09/01/2005 6:56:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem

The Freepers have been on this story for weeks, and we still don't know what happened. What will they find out in a one day hearing?


19 posted on 09/01/2005 8:08:34 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You're the first intrepid defender of Arlen Specter I've seen in a long, long, time. Rest assured, many of us do remember Specter's vote on Clarence Thomas, but we also remember his vote against Robert Bork. Specter is a sick man, but read his fall schedule from Aug 31,USNews, and tell me how much time and energy he will devote to Able Danger.

"As Washington braces for the battle over the likely confirmation of John Roberts to the Supreme Court, it is not surprising that the punch line to the running joke in the offices of Judiciary Committee Chair Arlen Specter has been, "What August recess?" What is surprising, though, is that all the extra work is not just about the Roberts confirmation, because Specter, unlike much of Washington, is looking beyond that.

"We've got a ferocious agenda when we finish Roberts," promises Specter, who has already scheduled hearings on the contentious issue of foreign prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and domestic prisoners returning to U.S. communities. "You ain't seen nothin' yet."

He wants to see a stem cell bill come to the floor of the Senate, and in the midst of all this, the Congressional Budget Office last week issued its report on the costs of the huge asbestos liability legislation that Specter has cobbled together and passed out of his committee in mid-June with the hope that it will pass the full Senate this year."

Did you notice USNews (with ample direct quotes from Specter), didn't even mention the Able Danger Hearing? We can hope Specter isn't pulling Weldon's leg about a serious hearing, but frankly "hoping" on Specter isn't something Robert Bork would advise.

20 posted on 09/01/2005 8:42:14 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: YaYa123

These hearings will continue past this fall and maybe even until next Nov. Preferably the report will be released in time to disembowel the Evil One prior to the fall elections.

I do not want this to be done rapidly.

Nor am I a "strenuous defender" of Specter. However, I do not doubt he will do the right thing here. Nor does the chairman have to be present for the hearings to continue.


21 posted on 09/01/2005 9:17:14 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: neverdem
I hate to say it, but that's a halfway decent article by the New York Times.

Floods, natural disasters, Specter apparently doing a serious investigation, and the New York Times doing real journalism. Must be the end of the world.

Stingray:  Conservative blog

22 posted on 09/01/2005 11:14:25 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: ovrtaxt

I so can't wait to see what else Weldon has.

I might be a little starry-eyed here... but does anyone else think that Weldon should run for the Presidency in '08? I love the way he's just throwing himself underneath the Washington machine to make sure the truth gets out. I'm not that familiar with his track record, but I'm liking the man's integrity.


23 posted on 09/01/2005 11:37:48 AM PDT by libertarianPA
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BUMP for exposure


24 posted on 09/01/2005 12:17:53 PM PDT by krunkygirl
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To: neverdem; All

Latest on Able Danger on Levin's Show Now.

www.wabcradio.com


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1475098/posts?page=54


25 posted on 09/01/2005 3:13:22 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: smoothsailing

bttt


26 posted on 09/01/2005 3:52:32 PM PDT by malia (President Bush - a man of strength!! clinton - a paper tiger!!!!!!!)
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To: popdonnelly; wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; ...
"What will they find out in a one day hearing?"

How about some more information on Able Danger's chain of command? I don't think Arlen can pull the equivalent of another "magic bullet" explanation, and if he tries, Congressman Weldon probably won't allow it.

Third Source Backs 'Able Danger' Claims About Atta

J.D. Smith, a defense contractor who claims he worked on the technical side of the unit, code-named "Able Danger", has pay records that should be traceable.

Four in 9/11 Plot Are Called Tied to Qaeda in '00

He said the team had been established by the Special Operations Command in 1999, under a classified directive issued by Gen. Hugh Shelton, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to assemble information about Al Qaeda networks around the world.

Gen. Hugh Shelton should testify.

From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

27 posted on 09/01/2005 3:56:32 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
the Pentagon said again on Wednesday that while it was not disputing the officers' reports, it could find no documentation to back up what they were saying.

Perhaps the missing documentation was in the section of the Pentagon that was destroyed on 9/11.

28 posted on 09/01/2005 4:25:59 PM PDT by syriacus (You can't fool Mother Nature. Why didn't New Orleans codes require lifeboats for each residence?)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


29 posted on 09/01/2005 8:28:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem

Specter is called the undertaker for a reason...he buries evidence.


30 posted on 09/05/2005 10:04:49 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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