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Doctors Without Borders (French MSF) Won't Help Americans In NO
MSF telephone personnel ^ | 9/1/2005 | angkor

Posted on 09/01/2005 2:59:41 PM PDT by angkor

I called Doctors Without Borders [Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)} today, asking what help they would be providing to the New Orleans (and elsewhere) Katrina victims.

I had donated $500 to MSF just a few weeks ago.

The answer, summarized, was "We don't provide help to developed countries."

Meaning, MSF will provide nothing, ZERO, to help the victims of Katrina. The answer was quite unambiguous.

Fool me once, fool me twice.

I'm going to ask them for a total refund of my (recent) donation to MSF after Labor Day, and will make MSF's life extremely miserable if they don't refund it.

Finally, they're disgusting. I've seen MSF do excellent work in other countries.


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KEYWORDS: doctors; french; katrina; msf; neworleans
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1 posted on 09/01/2005 2:59:42 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Sacre bleu!


2 posted on 09/01/2005 3:00:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: angkor

They're French?


3 posted on 09/01/2005 3:00:35 PM PDT by RockinRight (What part of ILLEGAL immigration do they not understand?)
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To: angkor

ah another useful idiot scammed.


4 posted on 09/01/2005 3:01:00 PM PDT by pipecorp (Let's have a CRUSADE! , the muslims have already started. 1600 replies and not a single post!)
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To: RockinRight

Yes, French.

But I have personally seent them do good work in other countries.

As for the USA, their "aid" seems to be "F'em."


5 posted on 09/01/2005 3:02:02 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Whatever you do, don't give them your bank account number,
you'll be getting E-mails from Niger for years.


6 posted on 09/01/2005 3:02:57 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: pipecorp

You've obviously not gotten outside of your own zip code since childhoood.

MSF does good work in many of the countries I've visited.


7 posted on 09/01/2005 3:03:44 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

I guess they're going to have to change their name.


8 posted on 09/01/2005 3:03:49 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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To: angkor

They are doctors, and they help people out, which is good. Unfortunately, they are also extreme left-wing bigots, constantly making statements to the press that contribute to the anti-American campaign, which is bad. I wouldn't donate to them. There are other groups who also help people in the third world without all that negative ideology and America-bashing.


9 posted on 09/01/2005 3:04:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: angkor
"We don't provide help to developed countries."

Well, thank goodness they can still help the French then.

10 posted on 09/01/2005 3:04:32 PM PDT by msnimje
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To: angkor

Their mission statement indicates that they help in lesser developed nations. Don't you think those folks need it more than us? We've got the resources to deal with this and we should be thankful.


11 posted on 09/01/2005 3:05:32 PM PDT by pa mom
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To: angkor

And we need their help........why?


12 posted on 09/01/2005 3:06:01 PM PDT by Skooz ("Political Correctness is the handmaiden of terrorism" - Michelle Malkin)
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To: Skooz
And we need their help........why?

We don't need their help. However, it would be beneficial to have the additional medical personnel.

13 posted on 09/01/2005 3:08:00 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: angkor

I don't think we need to allow unlicensed physicians to practice in this country. While, I am sure they are licensed somewhere, doctors in this country can't practice in a different state where they aren't licensed.

That might be why they don't come and honestly we don't need them, if we were going to bend the rules, we would bend it for other doctors licensed in other states.


14 posted on 09/01/2005 3:08:28 PM PDT by FarmerW
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To: angkor

Kind of seems to me that you are setting them up and expected them not to help... I actually think their response was pretty reasonable. Where they are presently working there is nothing. By the time they get here things will probably be under control. If they did come it would be in the nature of a publicity exercise to prove they 'cared' about us. They are needed more elsewhere.

There is a lot of help suiting up and heading south. Thousands of out-of-state national guard and emergency personnel. That will be followed by all of the NGO's, Red Cross, Salvation Army etc.

We are better prepared to handle this kind of disaster than anybody else in the world. It makes no sense for somebody to send a few pallets of Evian from across the world.


15 posted on 09/01/2005 3:08:59 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: angkor
Doctors Without Borders: "We don't provide help to developed countries."

Sounds like they need to redraw their maps with borders!

16 posted on 09/01/2005 3:10:04 PM PDT by RJL
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To: angkor
From an objective viewpoint, I'd say it wouldn't make much sense for an organization like that to expend resources in a country that is fully capable of taking care of itself.

From a personal viewpoint, I wouldn't want those commie bastards within 100 miles of US territory anyway. And that was BEFORE I knew they were French.
17 posted on 09/01/2005 3:10:53 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: angkor

A client of my mother's died a month ago.

He was gay and was quite liberal - and was an attorney. He also worked hard at helping his clients find tax loopholes and shelters.

His family asked others to remember this guy by sending a memorial contribution to Doctors Without Borders.

I suspect my mom will be more than a little peeved when she hears this.


18 posted on 09/01/2005 3:12:27 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: angkor

the blinders fell off long ago. their selective help isn't. should the red cross have ignored the muslim countries. dwb are hypocrites.


19 posted on 09/01/2005 3:12:34 PM PDT by pipecorp (Let's have a CRUSADE! , the muslims have already started. 1600 replies and not a single post!)
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To: angkor
I hear they've changed their name to Left Wing Bigoted Medical Semi-Professionals Who Hate the United States.
20 posted on 09/01/2005 3:12:59 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: angkor
Without Borders, eh? Well, we've just seen the lie in that.
21 posted on 09/01/2005 3:13:18 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: angkor

Save your time and anxiety.
You don't have a snowball's chance of getting your money back.
You gave it to them on their terms.
They will barely respond to you.
As soon as you become a pain, they will drop you.

Here's the thing: It's not your money.

Stopped being yours the second you gave it to them.

Let it go.


22 posted on 09/01/2005 3:14:11 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: angkor

Why would you dontate to something you did not understand? How did they fool you twice? Why would you make their life miserable if they do good work and you were proud of your donation when you made it? It will go to a good cause where it is needed.

They have a clear mission. The US of A is the wealthiest nation in the world. We really have resources available from lots of sources and do not need their resources. They should stay focused on their mission.


23 posted on 09/01/2005 3:14:14 PM PDT by An American!
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"DEVELOPED COUNTRIES?" (surely they can make an exception for New Orleans)...


24 posted on 09/01/2005 3:15:23 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: angkor

This organization was established to provide medical help to third world countries. That ain't us. We spend more on health care than any other nation in the world. We can handle this.


25 posted on 09/01/2005 3:15:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: angkor

I just read through their web site - the most advanced country they work in seems to be Pakistan.

http://www.msf.org/


26 posted on 09/01/2005 3:17:49 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: angkor

Get real! We are the richest most developed nation on Earth. This storm may wind up killing a couple of thousand people, in undeveloped nations where these doctors are needed these storms kill tens of thousands.

We have the capability to deal with this disaster.

Get over it.


27 posted on 09/01/2005 3:25:27 PM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: pipecorp; Southside_Chicago_Republican; Cicero; pa mom; peyton randolph; Belasarius; fr_freak; ...

Thanks for all the responses.

I've seen MSF on the ground, helping the indigent and injured - and, yes, even American citizens - in need of overseas medical help.

There was no "set up", I've given them money previously due to my eyewitness observation of MSF's usefulness and sincerity abroad. They do serious good work.

But I did find the MSF North America response to be .... unbelievable.. ridiculous. It was from Quebec.

If they cannot find it in their mission to help in NO, I have no need for them anymore.

I WILL get my donation back from them, and kick it over to the Salvation Army.


28 posted on 09/01/2005 3:27:40 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

29 posted on 09/01/2005 3:29:47 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: An American!
Why would you dontate to something you did not understand?

You're a fool. I've seen them operating on the ground in desperate situations.

However, I'm the fool in thinking they would help the USA.

30 posted on 09/01/2005 3:29:50 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

All of this begging for help is really starting to bug me. Please stop begging for other countries to help the Hurricane Katrina victims. It is unseemly! We have the money and the means to do it ourselves. You make it seem as if all of our previous help was conditional: Since we've helped YOU so much, now it's your turn to help us. Really, unseemly!


31 posted on 09/01/2005 3:30:06 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (We're living in the Dark Ages.)
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To: tet68

"Whatever you do, don't give them your bank account number,
you'll be getting E-mails from Niger for years."


Then you'll be forced into hiding from the Nigerians untill you're found disoriented, naked, and washing your clothes in a stream.


32 posted on 09/01/2005 3:30:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Point taken.

F'em.


33 posted on 09/01/2005 3:31:23 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Well, you seem DETERMINED to get your money back, so....

On the other hand, it could be $500 well spent if you threaten to publicize the fact that they refuse to treat U.S. Citizens.

Simply call the PR Director and inform how you have feelers out to newspapers and radio and television shows, on getting interviewed re--

TAKING THE BULK OF THEIR OPERATING INCOME FROM U.S. CITIZENS, BUT REFUSING TO TREAT U.S. CITIZENS IN TIME OF MEDICAL DISASTER.

You will probably be offered your money back.

Do not take it.

Respond that you would like to hear of a press release and press conference within 24 hours, saying that Doctors, owing to the gravity of the situation in NO, is immediately dispatching as much personnel as it can to the area.

Let them know that you will not let go, and you suspect that many, many, MANY Americans will not be too pleased about their refusal...and that they would likely never donate their money again.

Mention O'Reilly.

Let them know it ain't just you.

Let them know you belong to a powerful online community, whose members organize and line up behind causes at the speed of internet.

Let them know that it has a quarter million members, and just about every one of them is a stubborn, principled big mouth WHO FOLLOWS THROUGH.

Just a thought.


34 posted on 09/01/2005 3:37:42 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: angkor

Gosh, I suppose I have to give up French Fries again (sarcasm/off.)


35 posted on 09/01/2005 3:39:56 PM PDT by zerosix
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To: John Robertson
You will probably be offered your money back. Do not take it.

John, I am exactly the sort of person who would take this advice.

Thanks for the feedback and watch for the fireworks.

Tomorrow, when the NYC office opens.

Bastards.

36 posted on 09/01/2005 3:45:37 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

We have no shortage of doctors here. MSF is an organization with a particular mission, and they stick to it. They have established infrastructures in countries that need them on an ongoing basis. The U.S. is quite reasonably beyond the scope of their mission.


37 posted on 09/01/2005 3:50:51 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker
The U.S. is quite reasonably beyond the scope of their mission.

As an otherwise MSF-supporter, I have to ask you "why"?

What's the difference between a natural disaster in Banda Achea and another in New Orleans/Biloxi?

Don't bother to answer, the difference is objectively zero - and you know that - whereas MSF/DWB (and you) are taking an egregiously political position, in lieu of human lives.

Bastards.

38 posted on 09/01/2005 3:57:45 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Belasarius

Exactly. Why should take staff out of areas where the population is basically always in dire straits, to help in a place which is quite capable of helping itself, and whose desperate hurricane victims will be carted off within a few days to better quarters and food than MSF's patients have ever or will ever see? They're dealing with mass starvation scenarios in places where nearly the whole population is always on the brink of starvation for their whole lives. I see no reason why they should drop that to go help a group of mostly way overweight people who will be resuming their overeating within days, and will also have access to excellent medical care within days. More people would die of starvation and easily curable illnesses in the countries they'd be leaving, just in the time it took them to fly over here, than will die from the entire aftermath of the hurricane.


39 posted on 09/01/2005 3:58:41 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

MSF is an organization that always needs funding. Whoever runs it is dumber than a post in a democrat's back yard.
If MSF said, "sure we'll help," then the charitable coffers of the USA would have opened to them in the future. Now they will starve, when it is remembered that they could have helped. Additionally their names will be put on the Persona Non Grata list of the USA Dept. of Staff and the War Dept. I can hardly wait when they later want into a theater of war,or theater of aid commanded by the USA. They will simply be told they are not needed.

Dumb and Dumber.

Je ne sais pas quois d' autre!


40 posted on 09/01/2005 4:00:52 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Nachum

Yes what a bunch of Bigot Doctors!
They take a Hypocritic oath, not a Hippocratic oath!

Doom on them!

Oh where are the Chevaliers of Old France?

They all moved to the USA long ago!


41 posted on 09/01/2005 4:05:26 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: angkor

Doctors Without Borders USA

Médecins Sans Frontières (also known as Doctors Without Borders or MSF) delivers emergency aid to victims of armed conflict, epidemics, and natural and man-made disasters, and to others who lack health care due to social or geographical isolation.

MSF was founded in 1971 by a small group of French doctors who believed that all people have the right to medical care and that the needs of these people supersede respect for national borders. It was the first non-governmental organization to both provide emergency medical assistance and publicly bear witness to the plight of the populations they served.

A private, nonprofit organization, MSF is at the forefront of emergency health care as well as care for populations suffering from endemic diseases and neglect. MSF provides primary health care, performs surgery, rehabilitates hospitals and clinics, runs nutrition and sanitation programs, trains local medical personnel, and provides mental health care.

For more information, or to contact Doctors Without Borders USA, see their website at: www.doctorswithoutborders.org


42 posted on 09/01/2005 4:07:33 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: angkor

I think they were already operating in Banda Aceh and very nearby. And third world conditions are so far beneath those of the U.S., that the current situation in New Orleans looks tame. MSF largely operates in places where there is nothing to loot in times of disaster, and in places where people who get diabetes just die -- no insulin, syringes, blood sugar testing kits, etc. exist. It's not "political" to suggest that they shouldn't feel obligated to shift resources away from those places to help in New Orleans, where people are horrified at a few people dying for lack of insulin. If you look at it completely objectively, you value all human lives equally, and determine that saving 10 lives in Niger is more important than saving 1 life in New Orleans. That's how they see it, and I can't make a rational argument against their stance. Personally, I tend to care more about people whose lives I can more or less identify with, so I wish I could run to New Orleans and be helpful, even though I could obviously save more lives if I went to Niger for the same length of time.


43 posted on 09/01/2005 4:07:35 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Candor7
MSF is an organization that always needs funding.

Huh? After the tsunami, MSF was the first relief organization to put out an announcement saying "don't send any more money for tsunami relief -- we've already received more than we can use".

44 posted on 09/01/2005 4:09:36 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: zerosix

Gosh,I suppose I have to give up French Fries again.....

Nah, just arm about thirty Germans to re-invade and take over their country again.

Look, we CAN handle our own problems, but it sure would have been nice to have them at least offer.


45 posted on 09/01/2005 4:11:45 PM PDT by Grateful One (`)
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To: angkor
"We don't provide help to developed countries."

Fair enough.

We don't need anyone's help.

46 posted on 09/01/2005 4:12:12 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: angkor

INCOME STATEMENT: FYE 12/2003

Revenue
Primary Revenue $53,170,348
Other Revenue $203,851
Total Revenue: $53,374,199

Expenses
Program Expenses $42,158,155
Administration Expenses $947,196
Fundraising Expenses $6,105,222
Total Functional Expenses: $49,210,573

Payments to Affiliates $0
Excess (or Deficit) for the Year $4,163,626

Net Assets: $12,487,98


******


Nicolas De Torrente

Executive Director
Compensation: $96,470


Doctors Without Borders, USA
333 Seventh Avenue
2nd Floor
New York, NY 10001
tel: (888)392-0392
fax: (212)679-7016


47 posted on 09/01/2005 4:12:25 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: angkor

bttt


48 posted on 09/01/2005 4:15:31 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: angkor

Why don't they call themselves "Doctors Without Developed World Borders" then? I'm glad you ratted them out. People who need help are people who need help. They won't make much press helping Americans, however.


49 posted on 09/01/2005 4:26:13 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: cripplecreek

Ain't life hell?


50 posted on 09/01/2005 4:43:15 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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