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Libertarians To Sue State (north carolina)
thepilot.com ^ | 9 1 05 | thepilot.com

Posted on 09/01/2005 4:54:43 PM PDT by freepatriot32

The Libertarian Party announced Wednesday that it plans to file a lawsuit challenging the State Board of Elections’ decision to drop the party’s official status in North Carolina.

“We’re tired of being treated like second-class citizens,” said Thomas Hill, state party chairman.

Hill said North Carolina has one of the most restrictive ballot access laws in the country and said even Iraq has more parties on the ballot.

“That’s just vulgar,” he added.

The state board decertified the Libertarian Party on Monday because the party failed to secure at least 75,000 signatures on a petition needed to remain on the ballot. The state reported that the Libertarians had secured only about 25,000 signatures.

IN MOORE — Moore County Elections Director Glenda Clendenin is waiting for instructions from the state board before proceeding with local action.

At latest count, there were 103 Libertarians registered in Moore County. The county has 24,246 Republicans, 17,306 Democrats and 11,204 unaffiliated registrants.

Clendenin expects that the state will require county boards to notify local Libertarians by mail that the party has been decertified and that they have the choice of registering as Republicans, Democrats or unaffiliated.

Statewide, there are about 13,000 registered Libertarians.

However, relief was on the horizon Wednesday, when the state House of Representatives passed legislation that would make it somewhat easier to secure ballot access.

Known as the Electoral Fairness Act, the bill would reduce the number of signatures needed to retain a place on the ballot from 2 percent to 0.5 percent of the total votes in the gubernatorial and presidential races. Rep. Paul Miller, a Durham Democrat, introduced the bill, which must be approved by the Senate.


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1 posted on 09/01/2005 4:54:47 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
2 posted on 09/01/2005 4:55:23 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: freepatriot32
“We’re tired of being treated like second-class citizens,” said Thomas Hill, state party chairman.

Right.

Shouldn't they actually be third? Or is it fourth?

Dan

3 posted on 09/01/2005 4:55:51 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
"Shouldn't they actually be third? Or is it fourth?"

How christian of you.
4 posted on 09/01/2005 5:05:42 PM PDT by monday
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To: freepatriot32
If the Libs (and other 3rd parties) wanted to accomplish something, they'd decide to agree on the ONE issue that matters. That issue is not being Dims or Pubbies.

The Taxpayers Party, the Constitution Party, the Libs, and several others could join forces, agree to disagree on stuff like drugs and porn, and make actual inroads against the major parties.

I see no problems with "coalition" governments. I vote with the GOP when that serves my principles, but will abandon them when it stops serving my principles. (That day is approaching FAST!)

5 posted on 09/01/2005 5:06:37 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: freepatriot32

The legislature doesn't have to allow ballot access to every fly-by-night group that comes along. If they can't come up with the signatures, then it verifies they are insignificant.

That's why there are write-ins.


6 posted on 09/01/2005 5:25:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: freepatriot32

By definition, I guess most Libertarian parties aren't what I'd call "regimented". But, I tried to call them up in '04 and not only were they worthless, but their website was "under construction" every time I looked. In an election year!

I'm guessing competence had something to do with this.


7 posted on 09/01/2005 5:27:35 PM PDT by AlexandriaDuke
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To: freepatriot32

Get the signatures and there's no problem. 75,000 in a state of 8 million. Come on people.


8 posted on 09/01/2005 5:51:15 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: monday
How christian of you.

Do Libertarians believe in a God? I know some of them believe in Pat Buchanan.

9 posted on 09/01/2005 5:57:09 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: BibChr
Shouldn't they actually be third? Or is it fourth?

Actually they should be first.... but most of them were too stoned to go sign the petitions.

10 posted on 09/01/2005 5:58:38 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: BibChr
Given the track record of the last few years, anybody with an ounce of self-respect would be ashamed to be called a Republican.

Party of "limited government", my ass. Party of More Big Government.

11 posted on 09/01/2005 6:02:00 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden

Of the two viable actual participants, the GOP is clearly the better choice.

I outgrew the need to make hollow, self-referential gestures a good while ago.

Dan


12 posted on 09/01/2005 6:04:28 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: monday; Common Tator

I'm not seeing what Biblical doctrine calls on me to favor false prominence for the fringe party for drugs and hookers. You'll have to elucidate.

Dan


13 posted on 09/01/2005 6:06:37 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Of the two viable actual participants, the GOP is clearly the better choice.

I don't settle for the lesser of two evils - that's evil, because the "lesser" has exploded spending, deficits and government.

Apparently, that's what you want though.

14 posted on 09/01/2005 6:15:05 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Hank Rearden

News flash: EVERY party composed of sons of Adam is the greater or lesser of MULTIPLE evils.

You've chosen a self-serving gesture. It's about you.

There are only two parties that matter. I've chosen the better of the two viable contenders. It's about America.

Dan


15 posted on 09/01/2005 6:19:47 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: William Creel
Under Libertarian party principles, someone's 12 year old daughter would have the right to sell her body to a 70 year old man and use the profits of such a sale to purchase heroin or cocaine for herself.

Just what America needs /sarcasm

17 posted on 09/01/2005 6:53:53 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: freepatriot32

And they wonder why the other independents laugh at them.


18 posted on 09/01/2005 6:55:05 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Idiots and the Internet don't mix, no matter how hard Michael Moore tries.)
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To: freepatriot32

WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ON THE BALLOT!!!!!


OUR 1% SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WRITE OUR NAMES IN (if they can remember them, and are not too high, fried or stoned)


Pathetic losertarians.


19 posted on 09/01/2005 6:55:19 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Warning: Exposure to the SON may PREVENT burning.)
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To: freepatriot32

13,000 is a lot of people. NC laws sound shady to me.


20 posted on 09/01/2005 8:16:12 PM PDT by rasblue (Vive le libre Alberta!)
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To: BibChr
News flash: if the Republican Party is "good enough" for you to support, then you're perpetuating the problems that will sink this country.

I demand more for a country born in liberty and stolen by politicians. If you're voting your principles and ambitions for your country, and are blindly voting Republican, that's sad for our country. If you're not voting your principles, that's sad too.

People who cave in and vote Republican just because it's easy are making it damn difficult to fix the problems. That's where the OldBob Doles, Lincoln Chaffees, Olympia Snowes and similar RINOs come from - they're grateful for the blind support and no demand for accountability.

21 posted on 09/01/2005 8:46:07 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Constitution Day; TaxRelief; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; ...

NC *Ping*

Please FRmail Constitution Day OR TaxRelief OR Alia if you want to be added to or removed from this North Carolina ping list.
22 posted on 09/02/2005 4:02:50 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Common Tator

"Do Libertarians believe in a God? I know some of them believe in Pat Buchanan."

Most believe in God but I don't know any who believe in Buchanan. He is an idiot....


23 posted on 09/02/2005 6:28:56 AM PDT by monday
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To: Common Tator
"Do Libertarians believe in a God?"

I was under the impression they believe they are God. LOL

24 posted on 09/02/2005 6:32:50 AM PDT by verity (Don't let your children grow up to be mainstream media maggots.)
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To: BibChr
"I'm not seeing what Biblical doctrine calls on me to favor false prominence for the fringe party for drugs and hookers."

False prominence? Is that what you call treating every US citizen equally? You treat libertarians as 3rd or 4th class citizens by your own admission. That means you are a bigot and very unchristian.
25 posted on 09/02/2005 6:36:40 AM PDT by monday
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To: BibChr
I outgrew the need to make hollow, self-referential gestures a good while ago. Dan

I haven't seen any evidence of that.

26 posted on 09/02/2005 6:36:45 AM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: BibChr
Of the two viable actual participants, the GOP is clearly the better choice.

Kinda like syphilis is better than lung cancer.

27 posted on 09/02/2005 6:38:21 AM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: trubluolyguy
losertarians.

Think that clever term up all by yourself?

28 posted on 09/02/2005 6:41:35 AM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
"And they wonder why the other independents laugh at them."

Libertarians are the only third party to be on the ballot in all 50 states. The only independents who laugh at them are clueless like you.
29 posted on 09/02/2005 6:43:26 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday

Is the article about taking away their rights as citizens? Or is it about their wanting to share prominence they haven't earned with two parties who have earned it?

I commented on the latter, you seem to be faulting me for something I never said about the former.

Read slowly, type slower.

Dan


30 posted on 09/02/2005 6:44:06 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Stepan12

When you can't argue the points, just make up lies and knock them down.


31 posted on 09/02/2005 6:50:18 AM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: BibChr

"Is the article about taking away their rights as citizens? "

Thats exactly what it is about. Unconstitutional ballot laws that take away the rights of citizens to vote for who they want to vote for.


33 posted on 09/02/2005 7:43:10 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday

Ah! Then we disagree.

Is it also un-Christian to disagree with you?

Dan


34 posted on 09/02/2005 7:44:36 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: freepatriot32
Fer cryin' out loud, Libertarians. You're asking the court to do just what we've been blasting them for: legislate from the bench! Work to get the law changed by the legislature to be more reasonable if you don't like it. Don't go in asking a judge to ignore a properly enacted statute.
35 posted on 09/02/2005 7:48:31 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: monday
False prominence? Is that what you call treating every US citizen equally? You treat libertarians as 3rd or 4th class citizens by your own admission. That means you are a bigot and very unchristian.

Oh brother.

Every citizen is equal in this case! Every citizen has the right to form a political party which, if 75,000 or more signatures appear on a petition, may appear on the ballot. The same standard applies to every citizen. Quit your crying about unfairness. The Libertarian party simply doesn't have the numbers to meet the statutary requirements.


36 posted on 09/02/2005 7:52:18 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: TChris
"The Libertarian party simply doesn't have the numbers to meet the statutary requirements."

Because the statutory requirements are unfair.
37 posted on 09/02/2005 7:55:21 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday
Because the statutory requirements are unfair.

Then work to get the statute changed legitimately! Don't pull a DemocRAT, demand-judicial-activism-for-my-cause stunt. It will only damage your credibility.

38 posted on 09/02/2005 10:48:10 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: Protagoras
When you can't argue the points, just make up lies and knock them down.

One of the most fascinating things about Libertarianism is their foam-at-the-mouth hatred for the Jewish state. They sound like the Nazis and this may be no accident. The anti-Semitism of the Nazi Germans was extremely vicious and special, perhaps, because of the sexual perversion of the Nazi hierarchy themselves (read the Pink Swastika).

The Libertarian party is the party of perversion, as the Objectivists so rightly call it, so they're like the Nazis that way and in their hatred of the Jews -- manifested with their foam-at-the-mouth hatred for Israel.

Maybe the authors of the Pink Swastika, Lively & Abrams, can do a commentary on the Libertarian party, too. Maybe I'll write to them about it. >>>>veg<<<

39 posted on 09/02/2005 12:40:08 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Stepan12

40 posted on 09/02/2005 12:43:03 PM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: Stepan12

41 posted on 09/02/2005 12:45:14 PM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: xzins

If there were enough libertarians in the state to elect libertarian legislators, this wouldn't be an issue.

Instead of whining about how the government (sense the irony here) isn't helping Libertarians stay on the ballot, why don't the libertarians run some grass (pun intended) roots campaigning to boost their numbers in the state.

But then again, when all you do is smoke pot, it is hard to get motivated to do much more than reach for the bag of doritos.


42 posted on 09/02/2005 12:48:36 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: AlexandriaDuke

Get off it, dude. I'll, like, finish that web site after this toke, man. Lighten up. You are soooo stressed.


43 posted on 09/02/2005 12:49:38 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: Protagoras

Yeah. It's always easier to jump ship and wag your useless finger of moral superiority than to actually get your hands dirty trying to clean up the mess.


44 posted on 09/02/2005 12:52:11 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: George_Bailey
Why should they have to?

Because the duly elected representatives of the people of the state said so. Next question? Or do you believe a court should overturn the will of the people in a matter of government?

45 posted on 09/02/2005 12:53:51 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: monday
Thats exactly what it is about. Unconstitutional ballot laws that take away the rights of citizens to vote for who they want to vote for.

Wow. That's pretty horrible. If you write a name other than the authorized candidates on your ballot, the poll worker calls the police, tears up your ballot and hauls you off to jail?

46 posted on 09/02/2005 12:55:20 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: frgoff
Jump ship? What ship?

Dirty hands? You mean like trying to fix things? The mess that was caused by Democrats and Republicans? That mess? The one I have spent more time, money and effort than you possess to clean up in my lifetime?

47 posted on 09/02/2005 1:00:40 PM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: frgoff

You act like child. How old are you?


48 posted on 09/02/2005 1:02:41 PM PDT by Protagoras (My liberal neighbor is more dangerous to my freedom than Osama Bin Laden.)
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To: TChris
"Fer cryin' out loud, Libertarians. You're asking the court to do just what we've been blasting them for: legislate from the bench! Work to get the law changed by the legislature to be more reasonable if you don't like it. Don't go in asking a judge to ignore a properly enacted statute."

What a bunch of crap. If your party was in the same position you would want them to sue to stay on the ballot and you would also fight to change the law at the same time. You go to the court to have the state enjoined from keeping your party off the next ballot. At the same time you try to get the legislature to change the law so that you won't have that problem in the future. Either the Republican or Democrat party would do exactly the same thing. I don't blame the Libertarian party at all for seeking a remedy through the courts. The two major parties use the courts all the time.

It really isn't that big of a deal to make it a little easier for Libertarians to stay on the ballot. Hardly any of them are ever elected. But they are a real political party and there are enough that identify themselves as Libertarians that they should at least have the chance to be elected. This is a free country. I can remember what a big deal we thought it was as kids that in places like Russia you could vote for who ever you wanted to as long as it was the Communist Party candidate. We don't want to be like them. We should have an open system where everyone has a shot at being elected. I don't suppose there is anything wrong with trying to keep the ballots clear of "political parties" with that only have a few members, but we shouldn't be too restrictive and it seems too restrictive to me when you have thousands of party members in a small state and that party can't even have a candidate listed on the ballot. Aren't libertarians on the ballots in all forty-nine other states?

I'm not thrilled by the Libertarian party, but I wish we did have more than two viable political parties. Rhetoric aside, there really doesn't seem to be much difference in the way the two parties conduct business. A third party in the mix might stir things up and help keep the other two honest.
49 posted on 09/02/2005 1:43:49 PM PDT by TKDietz
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To: TKDietz
Either the Republican or Democrat party would do exactly the same thing. I don't blame the Libertarian party at all for seeking a remedy through the courts. The two major parties use the courts all the time.

That's a poor reason for using judges to effectively legislate new laws. Most Free Republic members rightfully decry the Supreme Court for doing just that. I don't know if you personally have taken a stand one way or another, but the practice is forbidden by the Constitution. Regardless of the perceived necessity of immediate relief, the judiciary is simply the wrong branch of government to be changing the law. They exist to interpret and apply law, not change and/or create it.

The Republican and Democrat parties have certainly done the same thing, and would do so again. Is that all the higher standards the Libertarian party has set for itself, to follow in the footsteps of the two parties it seeks to supplant?

50 posted on 09/02/2005 1:51:17 PM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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