Do you believe in accidentalism? (Creation vs. evolution)

WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/1/05 | William Rusher

[wagglebee]

The whole controversy thus becomes, as I see it, a subset of the larger dispute between those who believe in a God and those who prefer a strictly materialistic, and atheistic, explanation of the universe.

And this is because the atheistic left wants government to be a god.

[wagglebee]

Creation ping.

[frankenMonkey]

"oh no, not this crap again!"

[mlc9852]

It's already in science classes so you're a little late with your complaint.

[wagglebee]

Welcome troll, based on your posts from the past few days, I would say your time here will be fairly short.

[Coyoteman]

The CS/ID folks are sure getting active. Must have gotten a bunch of NSF grants, and had a lot of hot research projects just completed or something.

[GSlob]

"And let their response be included in courses on logic, as a stellar example of intellectual dishonesty."
"...because it doesn't depend upon the existence of a God, in the ordinary sense of that word, but only suggests that certain steps ... require the pre-existence of some sort of intelligent designer."
Well, for an intellectual dishonesty one could stop right here. How would that designer arise? And if it did not have to arise (i.e. has always been), then isn't it a garden variety god by another name?
Intelligent design WILL happen in a reasonably short time, when the humans learn not merely to read genomes, but to understand them, and then to write new ones in intelligent fashion. Not yet there, but coming soon.

[Carry_Okie]

Why is it beyond conceivable that the planet was seeded, effectively under cultivation? With enough knowledge it wouldn't be terribly difficult to do even from a huge distance. Given the number of planets out there, it would make a very interesting activity for an advanced race.

Is it truly necessary to presume that earth funcitons as a closed system?

[Carry_Okie]

Given that we are already talking about terraforming Mars, why is it so inconceivable that we might be such a product?

[THEUPMAN]

Intelligent design WILL happen in a reasonably short time, when the humans learn not merely to read genomes, but to understand them, and then to write new ones in intelligent fashion. Not yet there, but coming soon.

Cool, so it's to far of a stretch to think there may be something beyond man , but not that man has "accidentally" risen to the top of the chain.

Aside from the topic, sort of , ... do you ever ask yourself "what's next".

[cricket]

"And this is because the atheistic left wants government to be a god."

Even more specifically, the atheistic Left wants to 'play/be' the top god. . .and they want the rest of us. . .to be/play the 'first children'. . .Adam and Eve.

They will set the rules. . .and we, the designated children, will follow their rules. . .or else.

These Lefties really imagine they can and should. . .recreate the 'Garden of Eden' for the world-at-large. Overlooking, of course; the idea that it did not work for the 'first couple'; and it will not work for the rest of us.

(But then, they do imagine, they are bigger and better 'creators'.)

[k2blader]

Accidentalism. That really does describe the anti-Creation point of view. :-)

[wagglebee]

I never said it wasn't concieveable, just that there was no evidence supporting it, and thus it should stay out of science classes until there is some proof of it.

They have been teaching evolution for 70 years and there isn't any proof of it.

[RightWinger]

It is not science...

If a superior being did actually create the universe, then it is science.

Evolution has not been proven either.

[Coyoteman]

You wrote:

Intelligent design is a trojan horse for creationism. There is no evidence supporting it, it cannot be proven. It is not science and does not belong in science classes.

Couldn't have said it better meself! And to welcome you to these theads, here's another creation story:

Wahungwe Creation Myth

Maori created the first man, Mwuetsi, who became the moon. Maori gave him a ngona horn filled with ngona oil and told him he would live at the bottom of the waters. Mwuetsi objected and said he wished to live on the land. Maori reluctantly agreed, but said Mwuetsi would give up immortality if he did. After a while Mwuetsi complained of loneliness, so Maori sent him a woman, Massassi (the morning star), to keep him company for two years. Each night they slept on opposite sides of a campfire, until one night Mwuetsi jumped over the flame and touched Massassi with a finger he had moistened with the ngona oil. In the moning Massassi was huge, and soon gave birth to plants and trees until the whole earth was covered by them. At the end of two years Maori took Massassi away. Mwuetsi wept for eight years, at which time Maori sent him another woman, Morongo (the evening star), saying that she could stay for two years. On the first night Mwuetsi touched her with his oiled finger, but she said she was different than Massassi, and that they would have to oil their loins and have intercourse. This they did, this night, and every night thereafter. Every morning Morongo gave birth to the animals of creation. Then she gave birth to human boys and girls, who became full-grown by that very same evening. Maori voiced his displeasure with a fierce storm, and told Mwuetsi he was hastening his death with all this procreation. Morongo, ever the temptress, instructed Mwuetsi to build a door to their habitat so that Maori could not see what they were doing. He did this, and again they slept together. Now in the morning Morongo gave birth to violent animals; snakes, scorpions, lions, etc. One night Morongo told Mwuetsi to have intercourse with his daughters, which he did, thereby fathering the human race.

[GSlob]

"What's next?" - well, the first direction to be addressed would probably be [it is already being addressed right now through genetic engineering, but timidly and ignorantly] a radical enhancement of natural resistance to diseases, traumas and aging. Beyond that - other enhancements. Imagine everyone with creative capacity at least 50% of Michelangelo's, and later more than that.

[RobRoy]

And so the ad-Hominem starts...