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Hunger and rage (American city becomes a Third World nightmare)
NY Daily News ^ | 9/2/05 | TAMER EL-GHOBASHY

Posted on 09/02/2005 3:25:22 AM PDT by jimbo123

A great city has descended into chaos. In much of New Orleans yesterday, food and water remained in short supply. Medical help was nowhere to be found. And answers were impossible to come by.

Then hope ran out and it was the biggest loss of all.

At the city's convention center, a frustrated and angry mob rioted, furious that they had been dumped at a place where there was no food, no water and no one in charge.

At the Superdome, fights broke out in the huge crowd that assembled on an upper parking deck. The crowd jostled for position and hoped eventually to get on a bus to somewhere - anywhere.

Children cried.

Women fainted.

A man who asked for a cigarette got beaten with a pipe.

"People are hysterical. I'm scared. I'm upset," said Gloria Charles, 53, a school custodian.

Charles had walked to the Superdome in waist-high water with her five daughters, six grandkids, six nieces and nephews. They took turns keeping her mother, a 72-year-old amputee, afloat on an air mattress.

Her mother was taken away a day earlier for medical treatment.

"Now we're going to Houston" to the Astrodome, said Charles. "Where will she be?"

As if things weren't bad enough, a rumor soon shot through the crowd that another hurricane was brewing in the Atlantic. It even had a name: Hurricane Leo.

The anxious lines of people pushed against a National Guard barricade, sweaty and screaming and wishing it was all a bad dream.

But compared to the convention center, the Superdome was at least controlled chaos.

Daily News photographer Mike Appleton and I heard there was a riot under way at the convention center and headed over there.

As we walked past the Windsor Court hotel, we were stopped by a female state trooper. "Y'all came over here without guns? Don't go there. Don't go there unless you have a machine gun around your neck. We pulled our troops out because the civilians have taken over. We don't have the manpower to deal with them," she said.

But Mike and I decided to press on. This is a story the world needs to hear.

We passed a family next - three women and two men - frying chicken on a street corner. One of the men, wearing a 9-inch knife on his belt, wished us luck.

"Y'all better be strapped," he said as we walked by - strapped being slang for armed. The scene at the convention center was wild; the fury palpable. The people looked far more desperate and far more desolate than those at the Superdome.

"There's nobody of authority here," said A.G. Norton, 48. "They left us here under the impression that they weren't going to put us in the Dome because of the conditions there. But what about the conditions here?"

There was no food or water and not a cop or a soldier to be seen. And overnight, I was told, 10 people had died.

I was skeptical of the claim and a man took me to a massive refrigerator in the center's kitchen.

Eight bodies were inside, though there was no power to keep the refrigerator on. I found the other two corpses around the back, on a loading dock.

The body of an elderly woman sat in a wheelchair covered with a red-and-blue checkered cloth. Her feet stuck out and had blood on them. Next to her was a woman wrapped in a white sheet.

A little while later, we heard the thump-thump-thump of a helicopter and a Black Hawk dropped from the gray sky into the parking lot. The mob rushed the copter, swarming it before it even had a chance to land.

The soldiers inside opened the doors and pushed out cases of water and boxes of MREs - meals ready to eat. People pushed. People yelled. The old folks and kids grabbed what they could. The young men made out best, though some were willing to share their bounty. Others just kept what they had claimed and shouldered their way through the crowd.

Claudia Sims, 54, watched from the side, her six grandkids all around her. They hadn't eaten in 24 hours.

"I can't compete with these people," she said.

One of her little granddaughters waded into the throng and came back with a smile on her face.

"Grandma, I got food!"

In her tiny hand was her bounty - a single MRE.

Three minutes after landing, the copter lifted off and rose into the air.

I have seen such scenes before, but always on television and always from faraway places. In Third World nations, but not here.

As I watched the copter go, I thought to myself:

Can this really be happening in America?


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: 3rdworldcitizens; 3rdworldcity; democrats; dictators; katrina; massadoneleftus; neworleans; truecolors
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Expect to about the rape rooms inside the convention center very soon...
1 posted on 09/02/2005 3:25:23 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Expect to hear about the rape rooms inside the convention center very soon...


2 posted on 09/02/2005 3:25:44 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Of course, the VERY local officials who failed to have any 1st response plan in place are now screaming to the Dinosaur Media "this is a NATIONAL disgrace". Oh really despite the fact that your OWN NHIS plan was suppose to be planning for this event as far back as 2001? No it is a disgrace to the city of NO and the State of Louisiana. YOU failed in your duty and now better men are being pilloried, again, for having to clean up the Hysteric Left's mess again.


3 posted on 09/02/2005 3:31:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Conservatives...lack sufficient cynicism to properly assess the nature of their liberal opponents)
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To: jimbo123
"Can this really be happening in America?"

America was the land of "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps."

Not seen that in a long time.........

4 posted on 09/02/2005 3:32:00 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: jimbo123

NO has become Little Somalia!


5 posted on 09/02/2005 3:34:12 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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To: jimbo123
I watched some of the news yesterday for the first time as what stuck me was the HUGE difference in how the leadership and people of New York reponded to 911, and how the leadership and people of New Orleans responded to Katrina. New Yorkers were tough, determined, resolved, didn't loot, helped others, didn't complain, whine, sit around like helpless babies, expecting 'gubmint' to do everything...

Wow! What a very revealing difference!

6 posted on 09/02/2005 3:35:17 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: jimbo123

With a crime rate 10 times the national average, New Orleans was about the closest thing we had to a third world city in this country.

That place is indeed an embarassment and a shame.


7 posted on 09/02/2005 3:38:57 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: jimbo123

Imagine this same situation -- only with radiation added. Had a you-know-what hit the city instead of a hurricane, the damage and chaos would be just the same as it is tonight, only the fallout outside would be in the 400-500 rem/hour range by now.

That's what a terrorist attack with a "special weapon" would be like.

And, just as it would be in that case, the solution to the current situation in NOLA is simply to withdraw all forces to safe havens and let nature take its course.

Social chaos: it's what happens when the government doesn't shoot looters on sight.


8 posted on 09/02/2005 3:42:25 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: rlmorel

NEVER rebuild this place. It is a blight...a hellhole created by the welfare state. The government raised three generations of dependent voters and now they are helpless when government proves once again that, no matter how many billions we have poured into it, it doesn't work.
Do you remember the massive flood in Houston several years ago? That city required little outside help because officials who were in charge did not sit on their butts and wait for Washington DC to help. NEVER expect help from Washington. They can only manage to cash your checks to the IRS.


9 posted on 09/02/2005 3:46:40 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Inge_CAV

America was the land of "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps."

Rev. Al Sharpton once said how could you pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you don't have any bootstraps?

Very sad rhetoric.

10 posted on 09/02/2005 3:46:46 AM PDT by dancusa (Appeasement, high taxes and regulation collects in the diapers of bed wetting liberals.)
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To: kittymyrib
NEVER rebuild this place. It is a blight...a hellhole created by the welfare state. The government raised three generations of dependent voters and now they are helpless when government proves once again that, no matter how many billions we have poured into it, it doesn't work.

Bingo.
11 posted on 09/02/2005 3:48:25 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: rlmorel

New Orleans is the legacy of 40+ years of liberal "do gooders". My guess would be LA, DC, Phil, Atl would all have the same outcome had this disaster hit any one of those cities.

It's like inbreeding...the monster has been created and ain't goin' away.

I've always been of the opinion that "survivalists" were the goofs...not anymore...time to go stock up on the latest in weaponry.


12 posted on 09/02/2005 3:49:10 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: AmericaUnited

Those situations are completely without comparison, NY city itself wasn't turned into a lake.


13 posted on 09/02/2005 3:50:49 AM PDT by WritableSpace
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To: dancusa


It's time to abandon N.O.

I will not spend one cent to rebuild that wretched hive of scum and villainy!


14 posted on 09/02/2005 3:51:42 AM PDT by Hess28
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To: All

Remember also that these are not the average citizens of the city. These people are the poor and homeless and the others that had no means of evacuating the city before the storm came. Of course, this counts for nearly 30% of the city's entire population. Over 50% of New Orleans citizens did not own cars, opting instead to rely upon the city's public transportation systems. Now, tired and fearful for their lives and having gone days without food or water, people are beginning to act desperate. Another problem showing itself is in the surrounding cities where these people have evacuated to. Lafayette, Alexandria, and even Houston residents are seeing a surge in robberies, carjackings, break-ins, muggings, and crime in general. Gun stores are being broken into. Citizens of Louisiana are strapping on their handguns to go to work in the morning. I never once felt welcome in the city of New Orleans, so I can't imagine what these people expect, especially when they can't learn to conduct themselves in a civilized and orderly manner. Most of the ones I've talked to here in my hometown of Lafayette, louisiana (now housing 20,000 of these refugees) don't plan on going back, especially after seeing how the other citizens of the city are conducting themselves. I don't plan on ever even visiting again, If they ever get these animals out of my town.


15 posted on 09/02/2005 3:51:44 AM PDT by VicViper
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To: jimbo123

"Daily News photographer Mike Appleton and I heard there was a riot under way at the convention center and headed over there."

Oh boy, a riot! Let's go there and get some pictures. The press sucks.


16 posted on 09/02/2005 3:51:53 AM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: dancusa

That is easy for the Rev Al to say, He was hoisted by his own petard.


17 posted on 09/02/2005 3:51:54 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: Inge_CAV
Mayor Nagin is the real "disgrace"

Okay, if the poor people don't have cars to evacuate the city...then I got a great idea Mayor Nagin. Since you had five-day warning about Katrina..how about commandeering every school bus in N.O. and removing these people?

hello? Maybe I should run for mayor
18 posted on 09/02/2005 3:55:55 AM PDT by Hess28
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To: BubbaJunebug

I agree with you on going into survivalist mode. I think many Americans will now realize that chaos and mayhem can happen in their neighborhood. My heart goes out to the seniors who can't get out. I think shooting a looter or rapist will be needed before it turns. I'm tiring of hearing the media look to Washington too- there were way too many people who chose to stay and no one is going to admit they were simply too arrogant or stupid. I keep hearing they had no transportation but there are many cars shown on TV in those same areas.


19 posted on 09/02/2005 3:56:09 AM PDT by Faithfull
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To: jimbo123
A great city has descended into chaos.

Just how great was this city before this tragedy?

Not to be insensitive, but as far as I have known, this city was a cauldron of corruption, decadence, laziness, and dependency. How great was this city?

Democrats have operated this city for a very long time. A fine creation.

20 posted on 09/02/2005 3:56:57 AM PDT by beyond the sea ("I was just the spark the universe chose ....." --- Cindy Sheehan (barf alert))
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To: MNJohnnie
Yes! I heard the Mayor blaming Bush for all their woes. Bush did not tell the media that he didn't care about the looting and that the rescue and recovery was more important than law and order. It was the Mayor and the Governor of the state.
Terrible leadership. New Orleans police could beat up on Mardi Gras tourist and keep them in line why do they not clamp down on the riff raff that has always been present in New Orleans. I lived there I speak from experience.
21 posted on 09/02/2005 3:57:29 AM PDT by Recon Dad
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To: Hess28

You have my vote!


22 posted on 09/02/2005 3:57:30 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: jimbo123

Same thing will happen here in the Astrodome,Reunion arena, they will trash that and spill unto our streets, our crime rate will rise, they need to be put on army bases in barracks until the govt decides what to do with them, adding 85,000 people to these areas is terrible. Why aren't other areas taking some of them.


23 posted on 09/02/2005 3:58:27 AM PDT by stopem
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To: jimbo123
At the city's convention center, a frustrated and angry mob rioted, furious that they had been dumped at a place where there was no food, no water and no one in charge.

They weren't dumped there, they (most but not all) chose to stay even after being repeatedly warned and then ordered to leave the city. I am getting so damn sick of hearing this crap.

24 posted on 09/02/2005 3:58:49 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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To: MNJohnnie

That Lib mess is coming to our town and I shudder.


25 posted on 09/02/2005 3:59:18 AM PDT by stopem
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To: VicViper

"Now, tired and fearful for their lives and having gone days without food or water, people are beginning to act desperate."

They started looting the very first day. They had plenty of warning so that they could have filled jugs with water and they could eat can goods for a few days. You act like they started to starve to death right after the hurricane hit. That is just silly.


26 posted on 09/02/2005 3:59:20 AM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: beyond the sea

I agree with your post 20. The opening sentence of the article "A great city"... is in and of itself inaccurate.


27 posted on 09/02/2005 4:00:10 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: VicViper
. . . here in my hometown of Lafayette, louisiana . . .

Great sympathy for the good folks of Louisiana who will surely bear the jibes and insults coming your way as a result of conduct by some in NO.

How did Houma fare?

28 posted on 09/02/2005 4:01:11 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: ShadowDancer
They weren't dumped there, they (most but not all) chose to stay even after being repeatedly warned and then ordered to leave the city. I am getting so damn sick of hearing this crap.

Yep.... and they stood outside in line for 4 hours to get in the superdome.... when they could have been walking out of the city to higher ground.

29 posted on 09/02/2005 4:01:31 AM PDT by kjam22
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To: rlmorel

Look you all are making me even more upset than I already am, Gov Perry is bringing this LIB MESS and Problem to our towns, how would you like to be in TX now?? Perry you will NEVER get my vote after this guaranteed!


30 posted on 09/02/2005 4:03:31 AM PDT by stopem
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To: AmericaUnited
"New Yorkers were tough, determined, resolved, didn't loot, helped others, didn't complain, whine, sit around like helpless babies, expecting 'gubmint' to do everything..."

What a false, ludicris analogy/comparison. All of Manhattan was NOT under ten feet of water. Had it been, it would have been a very different story.

And your tone towards fellow Americans is sickening...
31 posted on 09/02/2005 4:04:09 AM PDT by CeDex
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To: WritableSpace

a native new yorker here and you're correct. 9-11 as horrible as it was,came and went in a matter of hours. This is just chaos feeding upon itself.


32 posted on 09/02/2005 4:06:27 AM PDT by wiggen
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And your tone towards fellow Americans is sickening...

Those shooting, raping and stealing are not my fellow Americans. They are animals.

33 posted on 09/02/2005 4:08:33 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (Stupid people make my brain sad.)
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To: CeDex
And your tone towards fellow Americans is sickening...

Save it! The looters, rapists, and utterly incompeteant rat leadership of NO and LA are sickening, not MY tone towards them. Get your head screwed on straight!

34 posted on 09/02/2005 4:09:33 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: B-Chan

...and removes weapons from the honest citizens.


35 posted on 09/02/2005 4:09:52 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: stopem
Gov Perry is bringing this LIB MESS and Problem to our towns, how would you like to be in TX now??

I'm damn proud to be in Texas now.  And damn proud at what we're trying to do to help.

Less proud of some Texans, though.

36 posted on 09/02/2005 4:09:59 AM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: stopem

Why aren't other areas taking them in?


In Florida, we prefer people floating over by rafts.
We have absorbed our hundreds of thousands over the years.


37 posted on 09/02/2005 4:11:02 AM PDT by OrangeBlossomSpecial
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To: OldFriend

You are getting stealth speak close to the root of the problem.


38 posted on 09/02/2005 4:11:08 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: wiggen

This is the best example of lack of leadership that has gone on in every inner city for decades.


39 posted on 09/02/2005 4:14:29 AM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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To: AmericaUnited
I think it all comes down to the fact that 911 was cut and dried. You either got out of the towers and away from them - and were in civilization with (for example) people giving more blood than the situation called for - or you were dead.

By comparison New Atlantis is a slow-motion catastrophe. Scores of thousands of people are isolated and getting hungry and thirsty - and are basically living in a swamp, or worse. There you are within walking distance of where your own house used to be, and you see people dying of want on the streets. I'm confident that if you were in those conditions you'd be a little out of sorts yourself.


40 posted on 09/02/2005 4:16:11 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: OldFriend

And a NO police station has been attack all night, Fort Apache!


41 posted on 09/02/2005 4:16:47 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: WritableSpace
Not entirely true
9/11 came out of the blue
NO is in a hurricane area since forever and Katrina landfall was scheduled a possible treat for a least a week
The local authorities could have made much better preparation
42 posted on 09/02/2005 4:19:17 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: ShadowDancer

EXACTLY!

They should be shot down without an ounce of mercy and then disposed of in the swamps...after all, gators need food too.


43 posted on 09/02/2005 4:20:08 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: jimbo123
When I saw some women last nite complaining that she had to eat a military meal "cold" I had enough. I saw other places where people who lost everything were just happy to be alive and grateful for any assistance. Guess where the media sends all of their reporters and camera crews?
44 posted on 09/02/2005 4:21:36 AM PDT by BallyBill (MSNBC: the MST3K of cable news.)
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To: ShadowDancer

Amen!


45 posted on 09/02/2005 4:23:32 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: dancusa

And why don't you 'have any bootstraps'? BECAUSE WHITEY DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANY.

I remember hearing that my great-grandfather, who came over from Germany to Winnipeg, said that not only were the streets not paved with gold, they were not even paved and he had to do the paving. I don't think anybody who came over with the pioneers lasted long by sitting on the bank of the river and whining for goodies.


46 posted on 09/02/2005 4:25:37 AM PDT by KateatRFM
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To: MNJohnnie

Thinking about it, this is one city that desperately needed an evacuation plan. Did it have one?


47 posted on 09/02/2005 4:25:45 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: VicViper

Once these folks are re-located to another city they won't be leaving. When December rolls around, the Houston Astro Dome will still be full of people. These are not people who are used to taking care of themselves. They are the chronically un-employed. They are uneducated, unskilled and lack motivation. They have lived on government assistance for generations. The small checks that they receive are supplemented with food stamps, free housing, WIC, Medicaid, food pantries, and I could go on and on. Those people who can take care of themselves either evacuated before the storm or have made other arrangements for their long term needs. I'm not sure that Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas have enough government housing available for the long term. The residents of these cities who are already taking advantage of government housing and programs are now going to have to compete with the N.O. people and they won't be happy. Other cities have to step up to the plate now and take some of these people.


48 posted on 09/02/2005 4:26:16 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: Archidamus

,,,and Amen! The looters were shown before conditions reached the level they have now sunk too. With smiles on their faces only too happy to join in the mardi gras like festivities. My comment to the TV, is where the heck are they gonna take this stuff, on the bus out of town? Before this is over I'm thinking everyone is going to have to leave.


50 posted on 09/02/2005 4:27:11 AM PDT by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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