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Government Saw Flood Risk but Not Levee Failure
New York Times ^
| September 2, 2005
| Scott Shane and Eric Lipton
Posted on 09/02/2005 3:58:14 AM PDT by infocats
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posted on
09/02/2005 3:58:14 AM PDT
by
infocats
To: infocats
Brian Wolshon, an engineering professor at Louisiana State University who served as a consultant on the state's evacuation plan, said little attention was paid to moving out New Orleans's "low-mobility" population - the elderly, the infirm and the poor without cars or other means of fleeing the city, about 100,000 people. So their plan was to put everybody in the Superdome and leave them there?
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:04:46 AM PDT
by
atomicpossum
(Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
To: infocats
A third grader could have come up with a better plan.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:09:33 AM PDT
by
mtbopfuyn
(Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
To: atomicpossum
"So their plan was to put everybody in the Superdome and leave them there?" Apparently, their plan didn't take into account the failure of the levee. As a point in fact, the part of the levee that failed had just been reconstructed.
There will be plenty of time later for post mortems as to exactly what went wrong, and what should be done in the future to prevent such a tragic re-occurrence.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:10:45 AM PDT
by
infocats
To: infocats
There will be plenty of time later for post mortems as to exactly what went wrong, and what should be done in the future to prevent such a tragic re-occurrence. First recommendation would be to move away from the city states. But most Americans already have.
To: infocats
Brian Wolshon, an engineering professor at Louisiana State University who served as a consultant on the state's evacuation plan, said little attention was paid to moving out New Orleans's "low-mobility" population - the elderly, the infirm and the poor without cars or other means of fleeing the city, about 100,000 people.At disaster planning meetings, he said, "the answer was often silence."
You 'wanna find out who's 'fault' this disaster was? Look no further.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:16:13 AM PDT
by
johnny7
(“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
To: infocats
Late Tuesday, the Pentagon dispatched five ships to the gulf, but four of the ships are coming from Norfolk, Va., four days' sailing time away.
The levee was breached on Tuesday.
Some military analysts criticized the Pentagon's response.
"Is the problem that they are only just now beginning to understand how serious the damage was?" said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity .org, a national security policy group in Washington. "Did they not have a contingency for a disaster of this magnitude?"
Holy Cow. What does he think the Pentagon should have done? Sent ships into the hurricane and to ride out the storm?
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:17:20 AM PDT
by
elli1
To: infocats
Just been reconstructed is the key. Earthen levees when first built or disturbed take a few years of settling to achieve maximum strength. Water can penetrate uncompacted dirt easier than what has settled for years.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:20:04 AM PDT
by
muskah
To: infocats
If businesses were run like the government, there'd be no businesses.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:21:35 AM PDT
by
MrBambaLaMamba
(Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
To: infocats
As a point in fact, the part of the levee that failed had just been reconstructed. I haven't heard that yet. Do you have a link? If true, then I wonder what NOLA politician is related to the engineer and contractor.
To: infocats
In a city with so many residents living in poverty, the hurricane came at the worst possible time: the end of the month, when those depending on public assistance are waiting for their next checks to be mailed on the first of the month. Without the checks, many residents didn't have money for gasoline, bus fare or lodging.Will anyone now admit that welfare is a trap and not a way out?
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:30:03 AM PDT
by
raybbr
To: infocats
As a point in fact, the part of the levee that failed had just been reconstructed. What do you want to bet that whatever company that rebuilt it is up to their neck in corrupt cronyism and low-bidder shennanigans.
LQ
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:33:36 AM PDT
by
LizardQueen
(The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
To: Labyrinthos
The levee system was designed for category 3 hurricane maximum. Hardly the engineers or contractors fault. That was a political/economic choice the state made.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:37:52 AM PDT
by
DB
(©)
To: LizardQueen
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:38:51 AM PDT
by
DB
(©)
To: infocats
"Apparently, their plan didn't take into account the failure of the levee. As a point in fact, the part of the levee that failed had just been reconstructed."
That point came up yesterday, but has escaped mentioning at the Today Show et al. this morning.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:41:18 AM PDT
by
Cosmo
(Liberalism is for girls)
To: Labyrinthos
"I haven't heard that yet. Do you have a link? If true, then I wonder what NOLA politician is related to the engineer and contractor." I must be losing my mind. It had to be the Times article that I posted but when I went back to it, I no longer saw the reference...so either I'm hallucinating or the Times re-edited the article.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:43:13 AM PDT
by
infocats
To: atomicpossum
This is a really nice example how Dims do govern: they sit on their asses and blame Bush.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:55:31 AM PDT
by
alex
To: infocats
How about failure of the pumps? Don't forget the pumps. And I'd like to see the locals pass that one off on the Feds.
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posted on
09/02/2005 4:57:19 AM PDT
by
mewzilla
(Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
To: mewzilla
"How about failure of the pumps? Don't forget the pumps. And I'd like to see the locals pass that one off on the Feds." In an article I read yesterday (please don't ask me where because I can't remember), backup pumps were requested but New Orleans didn't get them because federal funding was not forthcoming.
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posted on
09/02/2005 5:06:36 AM PDT
by
infocats
To: infocats
Time to re-instate Works Progress Assoc.
Built by WPA labor...
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posted on
09/02/2005 5:07:56 AM PDT
by
joesnuffy
(Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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