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WSJ: The Battle of New Orleans - Even in America, civil order is more fragile than we think.
Wall Street Journal ^ | September 2, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 09/02/2005 5:23:21 AM PDT by OESY

...Of all the bad news from New Orleans, the most disturbing has been the reports of spreading disorder, with looting, marauding gangs and even sniper fire at helicopters and rescue workers. Americans sometimes expect their government to do far too much....

One reason for the New Orleans breakdown is the size of the calamity, whose growing severity caught nearly everyone by surprise. Louisiana National Guard troops that were deployed initially for rescue and relief efforts weren't available for the more basic duties of public security. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is also geared to providing relief, not order, and only yesterday did the federal government begin to focus on the potential anarchy. Among our political leaders, only Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour seemed to appreciate the genuine risk of disorder, with his early warnings that looters would not be given the benefit of the doubt.

By the way, the allegation that enough National Guard troops aren't available because many are deployed in Iraq doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The Louisiana Guard has something like 3,500 men and women deployed in Iraq, but that leaves another 8,000 or so troops available for post-Katrina duty, and neighboring states undamaged by the hurricane have still others who could be called upon. All told, the Pentagon now estimates that 30,000 National Guard troops will be deployed along the Gulf coast, and another 3,000 regular Army soldiers to pursue the armed gangs on the loose. Our advice is: Do whatever it takes.

One frequent reaction...: New Orleans is typical of Third World countries, something that was thought could never happen in America. This happens to overlook a fair chunk of U.S. history... including riots and violence. But it is also a sign of complacency born of prosperity and the resilience of our legal and civic institutions....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: anarchy; barbour; hurricane; katrina; looters; neworleans
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1 posted on 09/02/2005 5:23:21 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

The inner-cities in every major US city are just like NO - potential powder kegs with third-world conditions. This is not new - what is new is the lack of civil control that allows that element to run amok. It would have been the same here where I am in Atlanta. The responsible people got out of Dodge and left the helpless with the thugs.


2 posted on 09/02/2005 5:27:11 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: OESY

If I understand correctly, Martial Law has been imposed on LA. It's time to exterminate these cockroach thugs and gangs out as if they were Taliban or Al Qaeda


3 posted on 09/02/2005 5:27:35 AM PDT by stm
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To: OESY

"Louisiana National Guard troops that were deployed initially for rescue and relief efforts weren't available for the more basic duties of public security"

All citizens caught shooting at relief helpers or raping or battering other disaster survivors need to be immediately rounded up and put in "PRISON CAMPS".

They are the equivelant of war time enemy combatants and should now be treated and arrested as such for obstructing search, rescue and relief efforts.


4 posted on 09/02/2005 5:28:04 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: OESY

"This happens to overlook a fair chunk of U.S. history... including riots and violence."

Riots - and who starts riots? I lived in Miami during the riots and they weren't Cubans out there.


5 posted on 09/02/2005 5:28:17 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: OESY
After this week and amid the continuing threat of terrorism, our political leaders at all levels are going to have to think harder about how to maintain order in the next crisis.

Don't wait so long to shoot somebody...

6 posted on 09/02/2005 5:28:54 AM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: SunnySide

Yes but Prison Camps Where? What city and state?


7 posted on 09/02/2005 5:30:19 AM PDT by stopem
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To: over3Owithabrain
D E T R O I T
8 posted on 09/02/2005 5:30:29 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
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To: OESY

Bleeding heart liberals, why doesn't katy and matt offer their HOMES to these people?


9 posted on 09/02/2005 5:31:42 AM PDT by stopem
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To: stm

If liberals can't portray diversity by the varying ethnic makeup of their criminal masses, they simply reflect it in their stolen loot.


10 posted on 09/02/2005 5:33:14 AM PDT by chambley1
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To: OESY

The population of New Orleans is 67.25% black. WSJ and the MSM in general would be the 1st to scream racism if law & order was enforced.


11 posted on 09/02/2005 5:33:52 AM PDT by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: SunnySide

Forget prison camps...summary execution on the spot.....

Tie them high on the nearest streetlight and hang a cardboard sign around their neck that say's "LOOTER"....

15 or 20 of them posted around town and you will think your in church for the rest of the evacuation....

NeverGore :^)


12 posted on 09/02/2005 5:34:12 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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To: over3Owithabrain
And this morning a petrol storage facility exploding.

Could be spontaneous but I have suspicions.

Time is long past to clean out the thugs.

Don't use the police, use the NG, kick a$$.
Introduce the thugs to the 50 BMG.
13 posted on 09/02/2005 5:34:56 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: OESY

At first, I could understand the chaos due to the hurricane but now it's getting ridiculous. After hearing the Mayor of New Orleans on the radio, he's clearly incompetent. If I were President Bush I'd fly into NO and land at the Superdome along with several Chinooks of armed NG troops. Announce that, "I don't know what's wrong with the government down here but we're going to clean up the mess now" then start establishing secure zones for the decent folks. Obviously, someone needs to take charge of the situation.


14 posted on 09/02/2005 5:35:10 AM PDT by mikegi
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I recently saw the movie Cinderella Man and commented to my wife of how the people were living during the depression. i told her that if those conditions hit us now there would be killing and raping and your kids could definitely not play in the streets. Now New Orleans confirms that.
15 posted on 09/02/2005 5:35:43 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: SunnySide

Yes, they should be in prison camps. How about Gitmo?


16 posted on 09/02/2005 5:36:19 AM PDT by bboop
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To: over3Owithabrain
Statement: "...what is new is the lack of civil control that allows that element to run amok..."

Response: Or perhaps the "element" lacks self control?

17 posted on 09/02/2005 5:37:47 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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"... the most disturbing has been the reports of spreading disorder, with looting, marauding gangs and even sniper fire at helicopters and rescue workers."

The worthless social debris that are perpetrating this insult to American society generally and literally shaming us before the world, ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Remember..remember the film of Londoners digging out after the Blitz?? What am I saying??During the Blitz, while it was going on, one chaotic, destructive and tragic day after another and with almost no resources but survivors' bare hands, the population ALL pitched in and set themselves and their city as right as they could make it in the circumstances. Think there was any of this horse s&^% and civil disorder going on concurrently with the bombing??? Think any single Londoner took unfair advantage of the situation to rob, pillage or shame others? I am disgusted with the looters in NO and ashamed of them as Americans. This is what we look like to the world. Most Americans are made of sterner stuff than that but the world will remember only that. Like the world remembers the strength, civic pride and self-respect even in disaster displayed by Londoners in the Blitz!
18 posted on 09/02/2005 5:39:41 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: bboop
they should be in prison camps. How about Gitmo?

That's not fair on the people already there. They would feel degraded to have to mix with people who loot their fellow citizens in hospital beds.

19 posted on 09/02/2005 5:39:50 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: mikegi
start establishing secure zones for the decent folks

YES!

20 posted on 09/02/2005 5:40:42 AM PDT by BlackVeil
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