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Mess on the Mississippi
Wall Street Journal page B1 (online subscription required) ^ | September 2, 2005 | Dan Machalaba, Jeff D. Opdyke, Ken Wells

Posted on 09/02/2005 10:37:00 AM PDT by topher

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To: PAR35
The railroads are inspecting bridges and roadbeds, and should be back in operation except for the flooded areas fairly soon.

If there is any industry that has experience in rapidly putting the pieces back together after their property is trashed by nature, that is the one. Railroads can be obtuse as hell about a lot of things, but their track and structure employes are generally people who know what they are about.

21 posted on 09/02/2005 11:37:38 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: misharu

Greetings from Upper Mississippi Pool 11 (or 10, depending on what side of the dam you are standing on)! We get a kick out of people who were born and raised right here, but who don't know what a towboat does, what can be in the barges, where everything goes from here, or how it all makes a difference in their lives.


22 posted on 09/02/2005 11:50:52 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: edskid
. . .but who don't know what a towboat does, what can be in the barges, where everything goes from here, or how it all makes a difference in their lives.

Ignorance by choice, perhaps? :-}

23 posted on 09/02/2005 11:55:03 AM PDT by misharu ("I want to be a martyr for the ballot box." an Iraqi citizen)
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To: topher

In the meantime, we can await this to occur.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:5fNE2-FnzKcJ:www.uh.edu/engines/epi1135.htm++Mississippi+river+to+flow+down+old+river+sooner+or+later&hl=en


24 posted on 09/02/2005 12:09:41 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Interesting. The Mississippi's channel meanderings have made backwaters out of a lot of once-thriving ports, and despite man's attempts, will do it again.

Mark Twain was talking about cutoffs and such when he made the observation that in "the space of one hundred and seventy-six years, the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles." Based on that degree of reduction, he then estimated that in seven hundred and forty-two years, the river would be a mile and three-quarters long.

His calculations were poor, but his instinct was sound.

25 posted on 09/02/2005 12:37:22 PM PDT by niteowl77
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To: edskid
If there is any industry that has experience in rapidly putting the pieces back together after their property is trashed by nature, that is the one.

The petrochemical industry is pretty good at recovery, although their problems generally aren't caused by nature. I'm figuring that they should be able to get plants back on line about as quickly after this as they do after an explosion. I think a lot of folks are going to be surprised on how quickly some of the refineries come back on line. The biggest delay at some won't be in the damage repair, but in assembling and housing workers.

26 posted on 09/02/2005 3:38:52 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
The biggest delay at some won't be in the damage repair, but in assembling and housing workers.

The port and related industry can be brought onstream rather quickly. It is the city that will be the problem.

Clearly, the choke point in the recovery will be workers and their housing.

Buy quonset hut futures...

27 posted on 09/02/2005 3:49:10 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: scouse
...build a new city similar to Venice...

Venice, Louisiana near the mouth, or Venice, Italy. Both have canals.

28 posted on 09/02/2005 6:07:23 PM PDT by topher (God bless and protect our troops and service personnel around the world)
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To: PAR35
The biggest delay at some won't be in the damage repair, but in assembling and housing workers.

Some of the refineries may be underwater. Maybe that should have no effect on bringing them online -- once the water recedes. I know the buildest hurdle is electrical power for refineries. I don't see why they don't build a small electrical generator facility onsite, and just pump diesel into the generator.

One of the refineries near Baton Rouge had trouble getting back online because the power grid was down.

I don't see why they don't produce their own electricity since they probably have diesel storage tanks at most refineries.

But I really don't know...

29 posted on 09/02/2005 6:11:26 PM PDT by topher (God bless and protect our troops and service personnel around the world)
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To: PAR35
The main channel is intact for ocean going ships.

The WSJ other article on that page, Gulf, River Shippers Scramble has the following:

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The port of New Orlenas remains closed to ocean shipping, awaiting assessment of damages caused by Hurricane Katrina. If the river or surrounding ports are unusable for months, problems like Mr. Snider's could be reported a million fold at companies across the country.

Survey crews for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration yesterday began surveying lowere Mississippi ship channels for obstructions, focusing on the southernmost 20 miles or so. Officials worry about the condition of the channel below the water's surface because aerial surveys show shrimp boats crushed together and numerous barges and vessels washed up on levees along the sides of the channel. Surveying was to resume today.

... end of excerpt of article ...

I am not saying the channel is open or not, but this article claims the use of some of the ports may be months away. Maybe it is only days.

But the real problem is that this is grain harvesting time, and normally the grain flows down the river by barge traffic. Maybe the grain can be offloading upstream and sent by railroad car to other major ports. But this particular article talks about the problem of rerouting the commerce -- Mr. Snider is a banana importer, and now must reroute his distribution system from Freeport, TX to the Midwest. (That means new routes for the trucks.)

So I am not certain with what this 2nd article says that the Mississippi River is open for business -- even if ships go to Baton Rouge for loading/offloading...

30 posted on 09/02/2005 6:28:44 PM PDT by topher (God bless and protect our troops and service personnel around the world)
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To: topher

The Venice on the Adriatic.


31 posted on 09/02/2005 7:55:55 PM PDT by scouse
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To: topher
So I am not certain with what this 2nd article says that the Mississippi River is open for business -

Agreed. Even if the channel is intact, it is likely that bouys and markers will have to be re-set, and other work done before the first ocean going ships move through. I do recall reading a story that barge traffic was able to move on the river.

32 posted on 09/02/2005 9:13:26 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: topher

I just saw this on another thread:

"and a White House statement that half the lost refinery production shut by the storm would be back on line within two weeks."

With the Platation pipeline back up, and the Colonial pipeline at 705 (up to 86% by the end of the weekend), and Shell announcing a major platform is back on line, things should ease rapidly.

I figure a couple of the refineries are going to need a lot of work, and a couple of more a moderate amount - about the equivilent of a turnaround.


33 posted on 09/02/2005 10:35:04 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: topher

So much for the Wall Street Journal and speculation that the river might be closed for months!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1478612/posts


34 posted on 09/06/2005 12:57:18 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35
Good news, definitely. But there are only opening one direction at a time and refer to a number of barges that may be causing some problems.

As long it is open for business... And the grain can be shipped out.

35 posted on 09/06/2005 6:19:20 PM PDT by topher (May the souls of the faithfully departed rest in peace. Amen!)
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