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Three Cheers For "Price Gougers"
TechCentralStation ^ | September 2, 205 | Rand Simberg

Posted on 09/02/2005 10:05:18 PM PDT by NonZeroSum

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To: flashbunny
Have you paid ANY attention to ANY jury verdicts lately?

The lurid stories that hit the news of course characterize what is going on quietly day after day in the courthouses of America. Thanks for showing us your wonderful credibility.

21 posted on 09/02/2005 10:36:41 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
Price caps mean people will hoard goods.

Price spikes can also encourage people to hoard goods.

22 posted on 09/02/2005 10:38:05 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: kublia khan

"Pseudo socialism" ??

We are a full blown socialist democracy.


23 posted on 09/02/2005 10:38:52 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Lurker
When did Regean 'step in' to regulate prices exactly, and what exactly did he consider 'out of hand'?

Look up "Plaza Accord" and Harley Davidson and tariff for starters.

24 posted on 09/02/2005 10:38:58 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Moonman62
The state law in Florida says a price increase has to be unconscionable.

But the only meaningful definition of an "unconscionable price" is "a price people are unwilling to pay". If the true market price is $3.50 per gallon, and the gas station down the street charges an unconscionable $15.00 per gallon, nobody's going to buy that station's product. So what's the point in regulating against it? And who is harmed if somebody charges that much? If somebody charges $200.00 per gallon, is that worse? How about a "closed" sign instead, or a "no gas" sign...better, or worse for the consumer?

25 posted on 09/02/2005 10:39:15 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

Motorcycles are very fuel economical compared to most cars, and a lot more fun too. More likely the motorcycle than the car will get filled if prices are very high.


26 posted on 09/02/2005 10:39:47 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: NonZeroSum
re:Hear, hear.
  ditto
27 posted on 09/02/2005 10:40:00 PM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: The Red Zone

Can you offer an example of what you mean?


28 posted on 09/02/2005 10:40:19 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: flashbunny
re: Would you rather be able to buy gas at $3.50 a gallon, or not be able to buy gas at $2.50 a gallon?
 
Exactly. and your sig says it all.
29 posted on 09/02/2005 10:40:57 PM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: wolf24
As well as a decrease in the supply of items that people would be willing to pay for because of serious need

No there isn't. The law is limited and it still allows the markets to work while still allowing room to catch the scumbags.

30 posted on 09/02/2005 10:41:28 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum
You've just inspired my new tagline.

Thanks.

L

31 posted on 09/02/2005 10:41:56 PM PDT by Lurker (Reality cannot be changed by wishful thinking, good intentions, or legislation.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

Note that the gas lines don't disperse in these panic situations where the station raises the prices to $6 or more.


32 posted on 09/02/2005 10:42:08 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

Of course, but you're missing the point.

Economics is best analyzed by viewing things from an extreme perspective and then working back towards a more realistic scenario.

Would more people take a joyride if it cost them $1 or $100?

$2 or $50?

$3 or $20?

See where I'm going...?


33 posted on 09/02/2005 10:42:26 PM PDT by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: Veritas et equitas ad Votum

I think people would want more joy out of their ride.


34 posted on 09/02/2005 10:43:51 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: flashbunny
You need to do a little research. Walter E williams has written several articles on 'gouging', and since with his doctorate of economics, he carries a little more weight on this subject than you or any politician that screams 'gouging' to appeal for votes.

Go back and read my first reply to you. The increase in the price of gas isn't gouging because there is a looming shortage. That wouldn't be gouging under Florida law. However, before Andrew, human dirt would show up and corner the market in something like power generators and then sell them after the storm for a 1000% markup. That doesn't happen anymore.

35 posted on 09/02/2005 10:45:25 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: flashbunny

One can have a "doctorate of economics" and still be a loon.


36 posted on 09/02/2005 10:46:12 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

---" The lurid stories that hit the news of course characterize what is going on quietly day after day in the courthouses of America. Thanks for showing us your wonderful credibility."---

Did you have a point with that?

Did you bother to read my orginal post, or did you just feel like making a smart comment to make yourself feel better?

I called the law defining gouging by saying it was charging an 'unconscionable price' "pretty moronic, since it leaves "unconscionable" up to the AG and whatever jury they can rip into a frenzy."

That's the problem. The government gives a vague defintion in the law. A politically motivated AG, say an elliot spitzer type, wants to make political points. So the the next time prices spike, he/she drags a few dealers into court.

All they have to do is play up the big oil angle, find a few 'working stiffs' who are angry at paying $3.50 a gallon, and VOILA- instant criminals! Oh, plus, even if they win, they've just paid thousands of dollars to defend themselves! Woohoo!!

Don't you just love how the state can add more laws to make more and more citizens criminals? Ain't it amazing that I'm asking that question of a member of a web site called "free republic"? Don't you think a web site devoted to limited government might have members that understand that you only give power to government sparingly?

Nah, I guess that's too much to ask. Instead I'll settle for snarky comments and the opinions of angry, irrational people who don't understand jack squat about economics or history.


37 posted on 09/02/2005 10:47:59 PM PDT by flashbunny (Defending the free market on free republic is like having to defend the flag at a VFW convention.)
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To: Physicist

Read my example with power generators in post #35.


38 posted on 09/02/2005 10:48:44 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: The Red Zone

---One can have a "doctorate of economics" and still be a loon.---

and one can be just a plain loon and expect to be taken as seriously as a respected author an economist, merely because he has a computer and an internet connection.

For an example, please check the mirror. Thank you.


39 posted on 09/02/2005 10:49:24 PM PDT by flashbunny (Defending the free market on free republic is like having to defend the flag at a VFW convention.)
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To: Moonman62

"However, before Andrew, human dirt would show up and corner the market in something like power generators and then sell them after the storm for a 1000% markup. That doesn't happen anymore"

And were these people forced at gunpoint to buy these generators?

Are the people who had money to pay a %1000 percent markup for a generator, but can't now because of this law, better off without the generators?

You only want to feel good about the policy itself. You don't give a rats ass about the negative impact it has on people who are in desperate need. But hey, as long as somebody who REALLY needs a generator is protected from himself paying too much for it, you should feel all warm and fuzzy inside.


40 posted on 09/02/2005 10:52:10 PM PDT by flashbunny (Defending the free market on free republic is like having to defend the flag at a VFW convention.)
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