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Three Cheers For "Price Gougers"
TechCentralStation ^ | September 2, 205 | Rand Simberg

Posted on 09/02/2005 10:05:18 PM PDT by NonZeroSum

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To: stylin_geek
Define "dramatically overcharging."

Let's just say she can't define it, but she'll know it when she sees it. :)

281 posted on 09/03/2005 4:02:51 PM PDT by OCgolfer
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To: flashbunny
This thread is a little like the collapse of the soviet union. Liberals still thought the principles could work, it's just that the 'right people' weren't in charge. The supposed conservative / freedom oriented people here somehow think THEIR price caps (which is what anti-gouging laws are) will somehow work this time. Because they have good intentions, of course.

LOL! I keep telling my father-in-law he's a communist because he keeps saying communism can work, if it was done correctly.

282 posted on 09/03/2005 4:09:42 PM PDT by OCgolfer
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To: OCgolfer

Ah, someone picked up on that rather oblique reference, I see.


283 posted on 09/03/2005 4:13:30 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Liberalism: comparable to a chicken with its head cut off, but with more spastic motions)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Yeah, I noticed that as well over here in Columbia, MD.


284 posted on 09/03/2005 4:19:04 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Raaargh! Raaargh! Crush, Stomp!)
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To: flashbunny
What a silly example! Who lives in a town with the only ladder owned by Mr. Mean?

Besides, there's at least a moral responsibility to lend immediate aid that does not endanger one's own life in such situtations. In this case as a third party, happening to have wandered into such a strange town, I'd have no compunction taking that ladder by force and rescueing the person. I'd return the ladder. If there was any damage to the ladder, I'd pay the owner for repair or replacement and possibly bill the person I rescued.

285 posted on 09/03/2005 4:26:49 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Exactly. :)


286 posted on 09/03/2005 4:39:21 PM PDT by OCgolfer
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To: NonZeroSum

Nice article.


287 posted on 09/03/2005 4:49:46 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: Moonman62

"There is no such thing as price gouging, and anyone who says otherwise is a Communist fool. In a capitalist economy there is no such thing as "price gouging"! In the old communist economies of East Europe there were always lines for everything as things were always in short supply. That was because the prices were kept artifically low. There was no incentive to produce goods for artificially low prices. When they switched to capitalism the lines dried up when the prices went up. The stores are now full of goods. The prices are much higher as well. There were those who complained "But the price of bread is now 10 times what it used to be and I can't afford that." The answer to that is: "If the price of bread is so high then now is the perfect time to get into the bread-making business." Those who saw opportunity thrived. Those who ran to the government for protection -- well, they are called "Democrats."


288 posted on 09/03/2005 4:54:00 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

I'm amazed at the number of people on this thread who really do understand micro economics. I'm impressed!!


289 posted on 09/03/2005 4:56:57 PM PDT by OCgolfer
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To: NonZeroSum

The relatively small change in the price of gas is one thing. Someone coming in, buying up all the generators available in an area, then setting up shop selling those same generators for THREE times the price is most assuredly GOUGING! This is what was happening in Jackson, MS this week. Of course, the guy had bugged out by the time the police arrived.


290 posted on 09/03/2005 4:59:56 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Moonman62
Have you ever been on a jury?

Price gouging is a legal matter, but we can't have law discussed in the traditional, rational, pragmatic or Holmesian organic public policy style. We have to sacrifice law to free market and ignore that the modern market is a recent phenomenon that arose with the cities and modern industry in the late 1800s. Let's just go with our gut feeling and a remembrance of 'Atlas Shrugged' as if any of us would be invited to Galt's Gulch.

291 posted on 09/03/2005 5:00:16 PM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees, clear, frost and birdshot, Fairbanks)
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To: SuziQ
The relatively small change in the price of gas is one thing. Someone coming in, buying up all the generators available in an area, then setting up shop selling those same generators for THREE times the price is most assuredly GOUGING! This is what was happening in Jackson, MS this week.

I guess the hardware store should have raised prices appropriately so that people don't come in and buy up all the generators. Keep an item that is in demand at an artificially low price will cause the hoarding that you see.

292 posted on 09/03/2005 5:06:56 PM PDT by OCgolfer
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To: konaice
This is a GOOD THING. It regulates demand. It regulates supply.

Right on! Dr. Sowell would be proud of you :-).

293 posted on 09/03/2005 5:17:09 PM PDT by Tax-chick (How often lofty talk is used to deny others the same rights one claims for oneself. ~ Sowell)
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To: OCgolfer

Thanks ;-)


294 posted on 09/03/2005 5:18:52 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: NonZeroSum

It's simple. No one is forced to buy anything.


295 posted on 09/03/2005 5:22:24 PM PDT by RWCon
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To: Sprite518; OCgolfer
While Communism was and is a disaster, it's not the same as a temporary emergency. I agree that day in and day out the free market is the way to go, but I know first hand what happens in a disaster such as a hurricane. The market can still work, but it also breaks down in some areas due to charlatans who show up to take advantage of the situation. As I've said in other posts, the gouging is usually related to market cornering activity (see post #290, I'm not the only one), something that a normally functioning market can handle, but not necessarily during a large disaster due to a breakdown in fraud prosecution, communications, and supply sources.

I understand economics probably just as well or even better than either of you. I also have experience with what happens in a disaster. It's best to combine theory with real world experience. But if you're still convinced that you're right, I'll make the same suggestion I made to someone else. Go to a disaster area and corner the market in some needed commodity, and then offer to resell it for ten times the price. And since you're proud of your gouging activity, by all means put up a sign explaining what you've done. But then pray that the police put you in the safety of their jail before the local people who are trying to survive get a hold of you.

296 posted on 09/03/2005 5:29:37 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: OCgolfer
I guess the hardware store should have raised prices appropriately so that people don't come in and buy up all the generators. Keep an item that is in demand at an artificially low price will cause the hoarding that you see.

My real world experience is that good businesses like Home Depot bring in extra supply before and after a hurricane and they usually stay open extended hours. People get what they want, and Home Depot does a great business, making lots of money at its usual prices or just a bit more to cover their costs. Everbody's happy and it's a win-win situation. So why should Home Depot and their customers be distracted from their good work just to keep a few charlatans from cornering the market?

297 posted on 09/03/2005 5:52:08 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: RightWhale
RightWhale said: "Let's just go with our gut feeling and a remembrance of 'Atlas Shrugged' as if any of us would be invited to Galt's Gulch."

Why would you want to go to Galt's Gulch? Why associate with people who believe that your economic success is YOUR business and not the business of others or a government?

The only thing special about Galt's Gulch is that it was populated by people who believed in self-reliance. You can start your own Galt's Gulch wherever you wish. Just don't associate with people who wish to make their problems your burden.

298 posted on 09/03/2005 6:00:30 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

I am having some difficulty distinguishing between these and those who are jonesing around NO looking for something to take the edge off.


299 posted on 09/03/2005 6:39:26 PM PDT by RightWhale (25 degrees, clear, frost and birdshot, Fairbanks)
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To: flashbunny

a bit defensive for someone so sure of your position.. for someone so educated it's a shame you are so angry..all your so called "facts" won't help you on judgement day, and not believing won't save you either.. but hey.. it's your eternity.


300 posted on 09/03/2005 7:22:51 PM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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