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Congress Likely to Probe Guard Delay
AP ^ | 09/03/2005 | SHARON THEIMER

Posted on 09/03/2005 7:19:37 AM PDT by Truthsayer20

Congress Likely to Probe Guard Delay By SHARON THEIMER Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck - a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard on Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

California troops just began arriving in Louisiana on Friday, three days after flood waters devastated New Orleans and chaos broke out. In fact, when New Orleans' levees gave way to deadly flooding on Tuesday, Louisiana's National Guard had received help from troops in only three other states: Ohio, which had nine people in Louisiana then; Oklahoma, 89; and Texas, 625, figures provided by the National Guard show.

Maj. Gen. Thomas Cutler, who leads the Michigan National Guard, said he anticipated a call for police units and started preparing them, but couldn't go until states in the hurricane zone asked them to come.

"We could have had people on the road Tuesday," Cutler said. "We have to wait and respond to their need."

The Michigan National Guard was asked for military police by Mississippi late Tuesday and by Louisiana officials late Wednesday. The state sent 182 MPs to Mississippi on Friday and had 242 headed to Louisiana on Saturday.

With many states' Guard units depleted by deployments to Iraq, Katrina's aftermath was almost certain from the beginning to require help from faraway states.

Republicans and Democrats alike in Congress are just beginning to ask why one of the National Guard's most trusted roles - disaster relief - was so uneven, delayed and chaotic this time around.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said the situation has shown major breakdowns in the nation's emergency response capabilities. "There must be some accountability in this process after the crisis is addressed," he said.

Democrat Ben Nelson, Nebraska's other senator, said he now questions National Guard leaders' earlier assertions that they had enough resources to respond to natural disasters even with the Iraq war. "I'm going to ask that question again," Nelson said. "Do we have enough (troops), and if we do, why were they not deployed sooner?" President Bush was asked that question Friday as he toured the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast area and said he disagrees with criticism the military is stretched too thin.

"We've got a job to defend this country in the war on terror, and we've got a job to bring aid and comfort to the people of the Gulf Coast, and we'll do both," he said.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., plans to make oversight of the Defense Department, the National Guard and their assistance his top priority when he returns to Washington next week from an overseas trips, spokesman John Ullyot said Friday.

Bush had the legal authority to order the National Guard to the disaster area himself, as he did after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks . But the troops four years ago were deployed for national security protection, and presidents of both parties traditionally defer to governors to deploy their own National Guardsmen and request help from other states when it comes to natural disasters.

Though slow at the beginning, out-of-state Guard help was markedly increasing by the start of the weekend. As of Friday, nearly half the states had Guard members in Louisiana, boosting the total to at least 5,600 from out of state. Hundreds more were on the way.

Michigan, which was ready to help before the storm began, was sending 500 National Guard troops Friday and Saturday to help with water purification in Mississippi and police duty in New Orleans.

Arizona didn't get a request for military police until Thursday, when it received an urgent message sent to all state National Guards by the National Guard Bureau at the request of Louisiana, said Capt. Paul Aguirre. He said the unit cannot leave Phoenix until Sunday because arriving units must arrive at a pace the receiving end can handle. Among those headed in were several hundred from Wisconsin, where the governor took the unusual step of declaring a disaster outside his state to activate his Guard.

"This was the first time a governor ever declared a natural disaster in another state and activated to that other state," said Gov. Jim Doyle, who issued his order Wednesday. "We were ready to be deployed within 24 hours of that order."

In addition to Guard help, the federal government could have activated, but did not, a major air support plan under a pre-existing contract with airlines. The program, called Civilian Reserve Air Fleet, lets the government quickly put private cargo and passenger planes into service. The CRAF provision has been activated twice, once for the Persian Gulf War and again for the Iraq war. ---


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: 109th; blanco; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nationalguard; probe
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1 posted on 09/03/2005 7:19:37 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: Truthsayer20
Good grief!

The "delay" is because the governor and mayor did NOTHING!
2 posted on 09/03/2005 7:20:53 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Truthsayer20

So, what we have here is a number of ignorant and inept governors. My, my, my. It's Bush's fault. /sard


3 posted on 09/03/2005 7:23:54 AM PDT by Clara Lou (In this order: Read. Post comment.)
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To: Clara Lou

Darn! "/sarc"


4 posted on 09/03/2005 7:24:21 AM PDT by Clara Lou (In this order: Read. Post comment.)
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To: nmh

Well. it seems that Blanco accepted New Mexico's offer of NG assistance already on sunday, but federal red tape was not finished until thursday. This makes no sense at all.


5 posted on 09/03/2005 7:24:45 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: nmh

I got hammered on another thread for saying this very thing.


6 posted on 09/03/2005 7:25:10 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Truthsayer20; Lady Jag
Counsel. Am I right about this:


Each GOVERNOR commands each states NG -- particularly for disaster and riot response.

The President only commands the NG when the units are FEDERALIZED and federalized NG units legally have no business keeping order within the state.
7 posted on 09/03/2005 7:26:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Truthsayer20

When this is investigated we will find this investigation similar to the 911 commission. Democrats will be appointed to the commission to whitewash any Demorat involvement . The bulk of the blame must fall on the Governments of New Orleans and Lousianna and that simply will not fly in washington.


8 posted on 09/03/2005 7:26:52 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: nmh

This is my question.

We know (filed docs.) that the Gov. declared SOE on the 28th and requested Fed. assistance.

Did she not request the proper help? If she didn't why didn't someone on the Fed. level help her?


9 posted on 09/03/2005 7:30:30 AM PDT by maineman
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To: nmh

It says that ultimately Bush had the power to step in and manage the relief efforts. He could have had a plan at the ready to force upon NO/Louisiana once it was clear that Blanco and Nagin weren't up to the task, as well as use the CRAF provision.


10 posted on 09/03/2005 7:30:54 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Truthsayer20
but federal red tape was not finished until thursday. This makes no sense at all.

Federals have nothing to do with sending in the gaurd. The guard is under control of the state governors and they have the power to call them out. The governor of LA failed to do so. She had plenty of guardsmen in LA to handle the initial stages but failed to call them out. The other states couldn't do anything until LA actually asked them to come in. The feds couldn't do anything until actually asked to come into LA and help unless they made special declarations and overrode the local government, which is very seldom done, and if Bush had done so he would have been ripped for that also.

The governor of LA standing in front of cameras pitching a fit and crying does not qualify as asking the feds for help.

The sole blame for inaction rests with the governor of LA and the mayor of NO.

11 posted on 09/03/2005 7:33:38 AM PDT by calex59
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To: BenLurkin
The President only commands the NG when the units are FEDERALIZED and federalized NG units legally have no business keeping order within the state.

The President commands the NG. Period. This wasn't a case of some neighborhood riot needing NG assistance to manage. This is the largest natural disaster in US history-- a Cat 5 hitting one of the most important cities in the US. And Bush's authority to use these troops however he wants is legal. SCOTUS would not do anything about Bush mobilizing NG troops to go to NOLA. It's very much a national security issue because of the importance of NO to our way of life and because of the scope of the damage that would occur with a Cat 5 strike.

12 posted on 09/03/2005 7:37:01 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

If what you are saying is true, there's a s*itstrom headed Bush's way...


13 posted on 09/03/2005 7:40:28 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: Truthsayer20
In addition to Guard help, the federal government could have activated, but did not, a major air support plan under a pre-existing contract with airlines.

Did I miss the story about all the men and material that we had staged, but could move due to lack of airlift?

I didn't think so. No need to activate the CRAF.

14 posted on 09/03/2005 7:40:50 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The left won't be happy until Judge Roberts performs an abortion on the Senate floor.)
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To: Truthsayer20
... but federal red tape was not finished until thursday.

We don't know if it was red tape in Washington or a delay by the governor in letting Washington know she wanted the help. I suspect it was the latter, but don't know the answer.

My preliminary conclusions are that the governor was conflicted between her political aspirations and the need to help her people. By trying to retain control - and get the credit - rather than pursue the resources needed, she guaranteed her political future. It seems to me that she demonstrated her amateur status of "I have to do it myself" rather than seeking help when it was/is needed.

15 posted on 09/03/2005 7:41:28 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"Bush's authority to use these troops however he wants is legal."

That is what I am questioning. I plead ignorance of the particulars but I have heard of something called the posse comitatus Act which limits the use of Federal troops within the U.S. ( a wise restriction most would agree).

Plus the NG is ordinarily on State status (either drilling or on what is called State Active Duty" and are "federalized" only when that status changes to Federal Active Duty.

I will be researching and will hopefully return with information.

16 posted on 09/03/2005 7:42:14 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Truthsayer20; GraniteStateConservative
If what you are saying is true, there's a s*itstrom headed Bush's way...

Luckily, what he is saying is false.

17 posted on 09/03/2005 7:42:44 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (The left won't be happy until Judge Roberts performs an abortion on the Senate floor.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

It's so nice to be in "arm-chair first responder " heaven with all of you heros.


18 posted on 09/03/2005 7:43:04 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: Truthsayer20
Sooo, is this gonna be impeach Bush #9?

Lord help us with all the dingbats running around.

19 posted on 09/03/2005 7:46:08 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: calex59
The feds couldn't do anything until actually asked to come into LA and help unless they made special declarations and overrode the local government, which is very seldom done, and if Bush had done so he would have been ripped for that also.

It is seldom done, but the specifics of this event make it worthy of a seldom used plan. Bush just needed to have a plan to use the full resources of the federal government once it was clear a Cat 5 was about to strike the Gulf, with the obvious consequences of such an event, call Nagin, Blanco and Barbour and tell them of his intention to take this problem off their plate, and give a speech to the nation once it hit declaring that the elected officials have been notified of the plan and are on board and that the federal government would be mobilizing its available resources to fight this national security crisis. The National Weather Service issued a release Sunday morning detailing in perfect detail what was about to happen to NOLA in what was probably seen by many Average Joes as hysterical Hollywood-esque hype, so the feds were certainly aware of what that area would look like after the strike by Katrina.

20 posted on 09/03/2005 7:46:08 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Truthsayer20
If what you are saying is true, there's a s*itstrom headed Bush's way...

Yeah, probably.

21 posted on 09/03/2005 7:47:28 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; Truthsayer20
"The United States Army has three major components: the Active Component, the U.S. Army Reserve, and the National Guard of the United States. (6) Members of the National Guard of the United States also serve a dual role as members of their state's National Guard under control of the state governors and adjutants general (TAG)."

snip

"National Guard brigades fall under their division commanders for combat training purposes and their state TAG for state missions."

'The integrated Active and Reserve Division: background, legal foundation, and the role of judge advocates' http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m6052/is_2003_March/ai_102910511

22 posted on 09/03/2005 7:47:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: calex59
The sole blame for inaction rests with the governor of LA and the mayor of NO

I wonder if this is true.

Not that I doubt your assertion for a minute. Sadly, it's more my ignorance that makes me question.

What concerns me is the really bad press the President and Feds are receiving on this. Absolutely NOTHING is going to be accomplished unless the TRUTH comes out, unfettered and unspun.

Notice it's mostly Democrats pointing the finger and it's their norm...spin,spin,spin and, of course, LIE.

Another thing that concerns me is the notion of a congressional investigation. After that 9-11 ommission-commission I'm wary of attempts to alter history.

It seems the liberals mess it up, the inevitable catastrophe comes, and NOW they somehow manage to change history!

Dear Lord, I just want the TRUTH.

23 posted on 09/03/2005 7:48:19 AM PDT by Fishtalk (Pop Culture and Political Pundit-http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
It says that ultimately Bush had the power to step in and manage the relief efforts. He could have had a plan at the ready to force upon NO/Louisiana once it was clear that Blanco and Nagin weren't up to the task, as well as use the CRAF provision.

Disaster relief is best managed at the local level; I'd expect a conservative would agree with that. You can hardly hold Bush accountable for the total incompetence of Blanco and Nagin.

24 posted on 09/03/2005 7:48:29 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: GraniteStateConservative
The President commands the NG. Period.

Despite the "federalization" process during Nixon's first term, that is incorrect.

25 posted on 09/03/2005 7:48:48 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
Did I miss the story about all the men and material that we had staged, but could move due to lack of airlift?

That is sort of the problem with the federal response to this national security crisis.

26 posted on 09/03/2005 7:49:15 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; BenLurkin
The President commands the NG. Period.

Factually incorrect.

This wasn't a case of some neighborhood riot needing NG assistance to manage. This is the largest natural disaster in US history-- a Cat 5 hitting one of the most important cities in the US. And Bush's authority to use these troops however he wants is legal.

Again, factually incorrect.

SCOTUS would not do anything about Bush mobilizing NG troops to go to NOLA.

Irrelevant.

It's very much a national security issue because of the importance of NO to our way of life and because of the scope of the damage that would occur with a Cat 5 strike.

Even granting all that, the President still has to obey and follow the law.

Your emotion is understandable, but misplaced.

27 posted on 09/03/2005 7:49:37 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"The President commands the NG. Period."

When you start a post with a statement that is blatently false, it is hard to take the rest of your comments seriously.

28 posted on 09/03/2005 7:50:15 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Truthsayer20

Federal and National Guard forces from other States can not deploy until the State Governor (in this case Louisiana) formally requests them.


29 posted on 09/03/2005 7:50:52 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: BenLurkin

Well, no, GENERALLY mobilizing the NG is a state issue. That is certainly true. This is about the fact that it was clear very early on what the aftermath of this hit would be and that clarity made federal involvement not only a no-brainer, but a duty. It's like if a missile was about to hit NOLA or a huge Hollywood asteroid. Once you know it's going to happen, you also know what the damage will be, and that knowledge makes it a federal issue-- provide for the common defense.


30 posted on 09/03/2005 7:53:13 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
The President commands the NG. Period.

Not until they are federalized. State governors command the State’s National Guard.
31 posted on 09/03/2005 7:53:52 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; Truthsayer20

In other words the National Guard can only be deployed by a governor for law enforcemnt purposes.


See also:

A Brief descirption of the U..Miliatry
http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR981/MR981.app.pdf

National Guard forces normally operate in state active duty (SAD) status when responding to disasters and civil emergency. During such assistance efforts, one of their primary functions is to reinforce law enforcement agencies. The National Guard, once federalized, like the Active Army, becomes bound by the Posse Comitatus Act and loses the ability to act as a law enforcement agency.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_93-6_chap9.htm\

Posse Comitatus Act
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/comrel/factfile/Factcards/PosseComitatus.html





32 posted on 09/03/2005 7:54:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Fishtalk
Dear Lord, I just want the TRUTH.

The truth seems to be that the government response, including coordination among various states, on all levels from local to federal, was a disaster. Coupled with the fact that the population remaining in NO lacked any initiatiave what-so-ever, apart from the criminals and assorted sub-humans going on a looting, murdering and raping rampage, you get what we have in New Orleans today. In other words, the usual suspects, government and inner city dependants, behaved as expected. The lesson for everyone is that don't in any circumstance rely on the state, local or federal government for your life and limb.

33 posted on 09/03/2005 7:58:48 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: BenLurkin

Exactly....Once NG is federlized they cannot perform in LEO actions..that is why you keep the NG at the state level.


34 posted on 09/03/2005 7:59:36 AM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: CBart95

It's like when you have a kid who really wants to fix the car and you know he's going to eff it up (regardless of how much he wants to do it) because you know your kid. All Bush needed to do was know who he was dealing with. Apparently, he thought such a big disaster would be easily managed by Blanco and Nagin. I question that judgment he made. Big city mayors are almost always incompetent on managing things like this because they get into power and hold it by using abilities that have nothing to do with managing huge crises. Jindal would have been governor if not for the racists in Louisiana. I can see Bush seeing that Jindal is there and that he could hold off a bit, but Blanco? She's a moron. I knew that before this event. I knew it because I followed the governor's race.


35 posted on 09/03/2005 8:00:00 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Real Cynic No More; Truthsayer20; All
... but federal red tape was not finished until thursday.

This is a particularly repulsive sophistry on the part of the AP reporter. The "federal red tape" she so dishonestly tries to blame on the federal government is nothing more than the law which requires the Governor to officially request and authorize the federal assistance from other state's National Guard units. The feds were NOT dragging their heels, they were pawing the ground at the starting line, waiting for Governor Blanco to "pull the trigger", as Col Hunt so colorfully put it last night.

36 posted on 09/03/2005 8:00:54 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: Truthsayer20
With many states' Guard units depleted by deployments to Iraq, Katrina's aftermath was almost certain from the beginning to require help from faraway states.

BS

37 posted on 09/03/2005 8:01:26 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: edskid

Regardless of whether James Madison would have thought it legal, it's legal today. Bush has the authority to command NG troops without permission, especially to combat a national security event.


38 posted on 09/03/2005 8:03:14 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: tarheelswamprat
The feds were NOT dragging their heels, they were pawing the ground at the starting line, waiting for Governor Blanco to "pull the trigger", as Col Hunt so colorfully put it last night.

Bears repeating ... and repeating ... and repeating ....

39 posted on 09/03/2005 8:04:24 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: Real Cynic No More; Truthsayer20
... but federal red tape was not finished until thursday.

We don't know if it was red tape in Washington or a delay by the governor in letting Washington know she wanted the help. I suspect it was the latter, but don't know the answer.

Yes we do know - it was the Governor who held things up. Col. Hunt's team investigated this and he gave a report on this on O'Reilly last night. He specifically said the Governor would not "pull the trigger" to authoize action.

40 posted on 09/03/2005 8:06:03 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: edskid; BenLurkin; Truthsayer20

In fact, the The National Defense Act of 1916 gave the President the authority to mobilize the Guard during war or national emergency and the The National Guard Mobilization Act of 1933 made the National Guard a component of the Army. Who ultimately commands the Army?


41 posted on 09/03/2005 8:07:21 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: tarheelswamprat

In fact, the The National Defense Act of 1916 gave the President the authority to mobilize the Guard during war or national emergency and the The National Guard Mobilization Act of 1933 made the National Guard a component of the Army. Who ultimately commands the Army?


42 posted on 09/03/2005 8:08:14 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Rokke

The National Defense Act of 1916 gave the President the authority to mobilize the Guard during war or national emergency and the The National Guard Mobilization Act of 1933 made the National Guard a component of the Army. Who ultimately commands the Army?


43 posted on 09/03/2005 8:09:09 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

That is ridiculous!

This is a state issue unless and until Federal assistance is requested. Note the FOUR hurricanes which hit Florida last year. Everything worked fine and it was because our STATE had a plan to deal with disaster and Federal assistance was requested in a timely fashion. It all comes down to leadership on the state and local level, which was clearly lacking in this case.

You call yourself "GraniteStateConservative" while advocating for Federal interference in a state issue. You say we "knew" what was going to happen. Many hurricanes veer off the predicted path at the last minute (c.f. Hurriciane Charley) or weaken considerably before landfall (c.f. Hurricane Lili). To say Federal resources should have been mobilized in advance of this storm is ludicrous! The state needs to make the preparation and deal with the evacuations and immediate aftermath. Everyone knows you must be prepared for at least three days because that is how long it takes for private and government assistance to reach a stricken area, generally!

I'll say it again, this situation is a total failure of local and state preparation and leadership. The Feds are NOT to blame!


44 posted on 09/03/2005 8:12:04 AM PDT by GatorGirl (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: GatorGirl

Bush made this a federal issue. Take your complaint up with him. He declared a state of emergency in Louisiana on SATURDAY! He knew what was about to happen to the Gulf. Bush has the authority to mobilize the NG for national emergencies (The National Defense Act of 1916), and a hit to NOLA is a national emergency.


45 posted on 09/03/2005 8:19:55 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

You are now reverting to semantics in your pursuit of this line (only after patronizing me with that James Madison remark, I might add).


46 posted on 09/03/2005 8:26:16 AM PDT by niteowl77
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To: GraniteStateConservative
In fact, the The National Defense Act of 1916 gave the President the authority to mobilize the Guard during war or national emergency and the ...

There is no war in New Orleans (despite the violence and looting). There has been no national emergency declared (nor should there be).

The National Guard Mobilization Act of 1933 made the National Guard a component of the Army. Who ultimately commands the Army?

Once again, in this situation, that is irrelevant.

47 posted on 09/03/2005 8:29:04 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: nmh
You got it right! "The "delay" is because the governor and mayor did NOTHING!"

And any congressional investigation will be designed to cover it up.

48 posted on 09/03/2005 8:30:00 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: Truthsayer20

Hagel again. No surprise.


49 posted on 09/03/2005 8:32:35 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: GraniteStateConservative
The President commands the NG. Period.

Wrong. Period.

50 posted on 09/03/2005 8:34:23 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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