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Congress Likely to Probe Guard Delay
AP ^ | 09/03/2005 | SHARON THEIMER

Posted on 09/03/2005 7:19:37 AM PDT by Truthsayer20

Congress Likely to Probe Guard Delay By SHARON THEIMER Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Several states ready and willing to send National Guard troops to the rescue in hurricane-ravaged New Orleans didn't get the go-ahead until days after the storm struck - a delay nearly certain to be investigated by Congress.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson offered Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco help from his state's National Guard on Sunday, the day before Hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana. Blanco accepted, but paperwork needed to get the troops en route didn't come from Washington until late Thursday.

California troops just began arriving in Louisiana on Friday, three days after flood waters devastated New Orleans and chaos broke out. In fact, when New Orleans' levees gave way to deadly flooding on Tuesday, Louisiana's National Guard had received help from troops in only three other states: Ohio, which had nine people in Louisiana then; Oklahoma, 89; and Texas, 625, figures provided by the National Guard show.

Maj. Gen. Thomas Cutler, who leads the Michigan National Guard, said he anticipated a call for police units and started preparing them, but couldn't go until states in the hurricane zone asked them to come.

"We could have had people on the road Tuesday," Cutler said. "We have to wait and respond to their need."

The Michigan National Guard was asked for military police by Mississippi late Tuesday and by Louisiana officials late Wednesday. The state sent 182 MPs to Mississippi on Friday and had 242 headed to Louisiana on Saturday.

With many states' Guard units depleted by deployments to Iraq, Katrina's aftermath was almost certain from the beginning to require help from faraway states.

Republicans and Democrats alike in Congress are just beginning to ask why one of the National Guard's most trusted roles - disaster relief - was so uneven, delayed and chaotic this time around.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., said the situation has shown major breakdowns in the nation's emergency response capabilities. "There must be some accountability in this process after the crisis is addressed," he said.

Democrat Ben Nelson, Nebraska's other senator, said he now questions National Guard leaders' earlier assertions that they had enough resources to respond to natural disasters even with the Iraq war. "I'm going to ask that question again," Nelson said. "Do we have enough (troops), and if we do, why were they not deployed sooner?" President Bush was asked that question Friday as he toured the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast area and said he disagrees with criticism the military is stretched too thin.

"We've got a job to defend this country in the war on terror, and we've got a job to bring aid and comfort to the people of the Gulf Coast, and we'll do both," he said.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va., plans to make oversight of the Defense Department, the National Guard and their assistance his top priority when he returns to Washington next week from an overseas trips, spokesman John Ullyot said Friday.

Bush had the legal authority to order the National Guard to the disaster area himself, as he did after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks . But the troops four years ago were deployed for national security protection, and presidents of both parties traditionally defer to governors to deploy their own National Guardsmen and request help from other states when it comes to natural disasters.

Though slow at the beginning, out-of-state Guard help was markedly increasing by the start of the weekend. As of Friday, nearly half the states had Guard members in Louisiana, boosting the total to at least 5,600 from out of state. Hundreds more were on the way.

Michigan, which was ready to help before the storm began, was sending 500 National Guard troops Friday and Saturday to help with water purification in Mississippi and police duty in New Orleans.

Arizona didn't get a request for military police until Thursday, when it received an urgent message sent to all state National Guards by the National Guard Bureau at the request of Louisiana, said Capt. Paul Aguirre. He said the unit cannot leave Phoenix until Sunday because arriving units must arrive at a pace the receiving end can handle. Among those headed in were several hundred from Wisconsin, where the governor took the unusual step of declaring a disaster outside his state to activate his Guard.

"This was the first time a governor ever declared a natural disaster in another state and activated to that other state," said Gov. Jim Doyle, who issued his order Wednesday. "We were ready to be deployed within 24 hours of that order."

In addition to Guard help, the federal government could have activated, but did not, a major air support plan under a pre-existing contract with airlines. The program, called Civilian Reserve Air Fleet, lets the government quickly put private cargo and passenger planes into service. The CRAF provision has been activated twice, once for the Persian Gulf War and again for the Iraq war. ---


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: 109th; blanco; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nationalguard; probe
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To: Torie
The prez can declare martial law, and the Posse Comitatus law is suspended

How does he do that, and where does that authority come from? It isn't in the constitution. Does some act of Congress give him this authority. Which one. Please cite US Code section ... so that it is unambiguous.

201 posted on 09/03/2005 12:28:33 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

"And of course, had President Bush stepped in and legally usurped Blanco- the Democrats would have gone ballistic. "

That sums it up right there.


202 posted on 09/03/2005 12:29:56 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
the Democrats would have gone ballistic.

With hindsight, they would have deeply regreted that (I strongly doubt that would have happened; they would be relieved to be able to blame someone else if things went wrong). In any event, they would have waited to see which way the wind was blowing as it were. If the hurricane had just decided to turn around and go back to Cuba, well maybe then they would have howled. So what? Let them howl. The buck stops you know where. One is there to just take the heat.

203 posted on 09/03/2005 12:32:42 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
For the gulf, the states even if competent, don't have the resources to move that many that fast.

A problem that will need to be remedied by the individual states.

And in fact, none had any plans to move folks without their own autombiles. All they do is urge folks to leave, and do countraflow. I don't find that very impressive. I don't find that satisfactory. I find that inadequate. I suspect most now agree with me.

If enough citizens of these states agree with you, then they'll work through their elected leaders to effect the necessary changes.

I suspect the law will change.

I don't.

It certainly should.

Well, that's where we differ, and where you'll differ with virtually all conservatives. It's a fundamental truth that localized disasters can best be prepared for and handled by local authorities. They know and understand the geography/people, and can plan and react accordingly. Federal decision makers simply do not have the benefit of this local knowledge.

Certainly there are exceptions such as this one, but by and large your proposed policy will cause more disasters than it will avert.

204 posted on 09/03/2005 12:33:47 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Torie

The entire Gulf Coast and Atlantic Coast from Maryland south is vulnerable, but that does not absolve the individuals and their state and local authorities from the responsibility to 1) make preparations; 2) evacuate if necessary; and 3) deal with the aftermath if a hurricane strikes, regardless of the category.

I agree that it should not be about politics but it is, because there have been a number of prominent Democrats publicly blaming President Bush and very little focus on what really went wrong.

Everyone can learn from the mistakes of New Orleans. Pointing out that the Governor and Mayor were inept is not political. They'd be as worthy of blame if they were Republican. Unfortunately, the media and loud mouthed Democrats don't understand that.


205 posted on 09/03/2005 12:35:01 PM PDT by GatorGirl (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: AndyJackson
This essay may assist you. Notice, inter alia, the Stafford Act.
206 posted on 09/03/2005 12:41:19 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie; AndyJackson
These are powers of the states, not the federal government.

So many lawyers, so little time. The law is NOT a suicide pact. In any event, the law needs to change, so we do not have to chat about that next time.

The law works just fine in Mississippi, Alabama, Florida and here in North Carolina. What needs to change is the government in Louisiana.

207 posted on 09/03/2005 12:50:44 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: tarheelswamprat

Not all that well. There was mass looting in Miss too, and the national guard is now there too. Now was any public transportation offered in Miss to my knowledge. Miss does have the advantage of being above sea level.


208 posted on 09/03/2005 12:55:54 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Howlin

LOL, I done been banned at DU.

They deleted all of my posts.

What a bunch of p*ssys, can't stand the truth and rational thought.

FWIW, they left the posts of the DUmmies who agreed with me.


209 posted on 09/03/2005 12:56:28 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: NittanyLion
where you'll differ with virtually all conservatives.

I doubt it. Hopefully, we will get a poll. Of course, with a tight enough definition of "conservative" to fit your purposes, the result is self defining.

210 posted on 09/03/2005 12:58:14 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I doubt it. Hopefully, we will get a poll.

I'd be interested to see the results.

Of course, with a tight enough definition of "conservative" to fit your purposes, the result is self defining.

I'm not looking to claim I'm more conservative than this person or that, so it's really a moot point either way. Suffice to say, we differ on whether the state v. federal government is best equipped to handle disasters/emergencies. I understand and respect your position, just don't agree with it.

211 posted on 09/03/2005 1:23:05 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Fair enough. I respect those who hold differing opinions, and keep it civil, and are honest and articulate in expousing their views. It is what does the public square good, and honors it.


212 posted on 09/03/2005 1:32:34 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Howlin
"And there ends the story: that was the END of the hurricane; the rest was flooding; and that is NOT the fault of George W. Bush."

All things considered, New Orleans was not in such bad shape until that levee was breached..... Of course, the levee was protected by 19th century equipment put in place after Betsy and everyone has said for years that it would not withstand anything greater than a category 3 hurricane. FOR YEARS every Mayor of New Orleans, in one democratic administration after another, including Mary Landrieu's father, has said the city would not be able to survive the "Big One" yet NONE of them EVER put a new plan in place or upgraded the system. BUT to a person they're all now whining and pointing fingers and trying to cover their behinds.

213 posted on 09/03/2005 1:52:17 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Torie
Your essay did little to clarify the situation. As it says, The Stafford act, 42 U.S.C. 5121, et seq. permits the President to declare a disaster or emergency and introduce federal troops to preserve life and property. This does not provide authority for them to act in a general law enforcement role, which is the heart of the matter.

Your paper also ties itself in knots regarding the powers of the National Guard, again giving short shrift to the differnece between acting as Army Reserve Forces in Federal Service and acting as an arm of state governments under the authority of state governors.

214 posted on 09/03/2005 1:53:51 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: TC Rider

Were you really?

I didn't see one thing you wrote that would have called for that; do you have them in your cache? That would be swell to have when the next DUer comes over here and tells us WE don't allow free speech!


215 posted on 09/03/2005 1:54:44 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Truthsayer20

The AP thinks that mobilizing the Guard and the SPECIFIC specialties NEEDED within the Guard are just a MOUSE CLICK away. These media types are not only stupid BUT DANGEROUSE.


216 posted on 09/03/2005 1:55:55 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: AndyJackson

It gives the prez the authority to tranport folks out, which is my focus. In any event, if Bush had offered to send in the federal guns, with whatever paper work was necessary to circumvent this archaic and ludicrous law, the suggestion that Blanco or Nagin would have refused is ludicrous.


217 posted on 09/03/2005 1:58:10 PM PDT by Torie
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To: tarheelswamprat; Amelia; Peach; eddie willers; Gabz; nunya bidness; TC Rider; Carolinamom; ...
The law works just fine in Mississippi, Alabama, Florida and here in North Carolina.

And in South Carolina, Georgia, Maryland, and Virginia.

218 posted on 09/03/2005 2:06:02 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: TC Rider

See post 207.


219 posted on 09/03/2005 2:06:49 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Howlin
presidents of both parties traditionally defer to governors to deploy their own National Guardsmen and request help from other states when it comes to natural disasters.

I like how they buried this deep into the article.

220 posted on 09/03/2005 2:16:34 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: Howlin
Were you really?

I didn't see one thing you wrote that would have called for that; do you have them in your cache? That would be swell to have when the next DUer comes over here and tells us WE don't allow free speech!

Yep, really. I think they've gone into the bit bucket.

Doesn't matter, a DUmbie wouldn't believe it anyway, the blinders are too tight.

221 posted on 09/03/2005 2:38:02 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Truthsayer20

But first, I want Congress to probe what happened to the FEMA and Homeland Security money that LA and particularly NO received in the past decade.


223 posted on 09/03/2005 2:42:19 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Torie

the Democrats would have gone ballistic.
So what? Let them howl. The buck stops you know where. One is there to just take the heat.

Blanco and Naugin are still in elected leadership positions and I doubt they will suddenly become competent,
so I expect we will still see further situational FUBAR wherever and whenever they are involved.
Haley Barbour can take care of Miss and Bob Riley can take care of Alabama, but, it's clear that Louisiana cannot take care of itself.
Hopefully , President Bush and Alberto Gonzalez are figuring out a way to appoint a Provisional Coalition Authority type to oversee the reconstruction.
Maybe Paul Bremer or Rudy Giuliani .


224 posted on 09/03/2005 2:57:32 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Howlin
And in South Carolina, Georgia, Maryland, and Virginia.

and (as much as I hate saying it)Delaware, as well.

225 posted on 09/03/2005 3:24:36 PM PDT by Gabz (USSG Warning: portable sewing machines are known to cause broken ankles)
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To: Truthsayer20

Likely? HA!

The Congre$$ional Black Coucous will be milking it for all it's worth, that and the MSM.. I should say.


226 posted on 09/03/2005 5:03:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
I found this on another thread: Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

It seems, after all, it was the local Democrats that dropped the ball. However, Bush should have declared martial law and have the inept Governor thrown out on the street. However, I don't want hear one word from the media, Democrats or anyone else about the inaction of Bush if Louisiana on purpose delayed federalization of the issue.

227 posted on 09/03/2005 11:32:54 PM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: Torie
the suggestion that Blanco or Nagin would have refused is ludicrous

I know the suggestion is ludicrous, but they did refuse, and that is the problem.

228 posted on 09/04/2005 6:21:14 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Yes, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight the President should have done this *before* the hurricane hit. But *after* the hurricane hit, the Mayor was going on TV saying that "New Orleans got off easy."

So suppose President Bush shoved Nagin and Blanco aside before the hurricane (before it was evident how criminally incompetent they were) "took over" and sent in the National Guard. Do you really think this nation would have stood for this? (Remember, this is BEFORE the hurricane hit.) That is the stuff of dictatorship.

It may be onerous to have to defend the President's actions to all the ignorant masses who think he should have intervened earlier, but President Bush is not pre-War in Iraq Saddam Hussein and does not have unlimited powers!

229 posted on 09/04/2005 6:38:21 AM PDT by HateBill (Democratic Message: "Kiss Terrorist A*s" vs. Republican Message: "Kick Terrorist A*s")
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To: Truthsayer20
Hey Congress, Probe This!
230 posted on 09/04/2005 6:39:33 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: HateBill
So suppose President Bush shoved Nagin and Blanco aside before the hurricane (before it was evident how criminally incompetent they were) "took over" and sent in the National Guard. Do you really think this nation would have stood for this? (Remember, this is BEFORE the hurricane hit.) That is the stuff of dictatorship.

I was only barely suggesting he force Blanco and Nagin to let the feds handle this mess. I was mainly suggesting that he put that offer on the table for them as soon as Katrina hit for them to accept willingly. Some have said that he did. Who knows?

231 posted on 09/04/2005 8:54:04 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Truthsayer20

Interesting information.


232 posted on 09/04/2005 9:01:27 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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