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Police Chief: 'Urban Warfare' Slowed New Orleans Rescue
NewsMax.com ^ | Sept. 3, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 09/03/2005 8:04:59 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

New Orleans Police Chief Edwin Compass said Friday that hurricane rescue efforts were hampered when relief workers came under attack by the city's criminal element, prompting conditions that resembled "urban warfare."

"We have never had an urban warfare battle like this on any front in the history of our nation," Compass told NBC's "Dateline."

"You're fighting in buildings that are pitch black with darkness. These individuals have root - the criminal element have looted all the gun shops and gun stores in this city, so they're armed, they're dangerous."

Federal Emergency Management Agency Chief Michael Brown, under fire for his agency's slow response, echoed Chief Compass's complaint, telling CNN: "We are working under conditions of urban warfare."

Though the city's crime rate is ten times the national average, U.S. news outlets downplayed the connection between New Orleans' outsized criminal element and delays in rescue efforts.

Saturday's London Times, however, painted a bleak picture of the challenges faced by local police as they tried to restore order.

"One New Orleans police officer wept as he described seeing bodies riddled with bullets, and the top of one man's head shot off. He said some looters were armed with AK-47 rifles, and compared the situation with Somalia, with police outnumbered and outgunned by gangs in trucks . . .

"An effort to remove patients and staff from Charity Hospital, in the city centre, was suspended after it came under sniper fire . . .

"'It's a war-zone, and they're not treating it like one,' he said, referring to the federal government . . . Gunmen continued to fire on troops and rescue helicopters, and police officials said that many officers had stopped reporting for duty, cutting manpower by 20 per cent."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: ak47s; greatsociety; gtakatrina; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nannystate; neworleansrescue; policechief; snipers; urbanbarbarians; urbanwarfare
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1 posted on 09/03/2005 8:05:00 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I betcha it's those 80 year old white grannies in wheelchairs causing the trouble.


2 posted on 09/03/2005 8:08:40 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

It's a part of Blue Nation.


3 posted on 09/03/2005 8:08:43 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
And now that the National Guard has arrived in force, the urban warriors have magically vanished? Did they just put down their guns and blend in with the other refugees? Or is the real battle still to be fought, resulting in a few hundred dead thugs?

Something is missing in the MSM coverage (no surprise) - there is an endgame which is either yet to be played out or is just not being talked about.

4 posted on 09/03/2005 8:10:25 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Did they just put down their guns and blend in with the other refugees?

I would count on it.

5 posted on 09/03/2005 8:13:24 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I'm sure when they finally do start counting bodies, and they will soon, due to the ongoing decay, all deaths will just be ruled "hurricane victims". The last thing the Dems want is it coming out that 20% or so have been murdered.
6 posted on 09/03/2005 8:15:19 AM PDT by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
This analogy is weak, IMHO. In urban warfare, there is fighting house to house between heavily armed, typically well-trained combatants. In NO, you had police with pistols versus a few morons armed with (in some cases) semi-automatic rifles. No armor, no belt-fed weapons, no hand grenades, no RPG's. Hardly a solid comparison. One guy with a bolt action rifle against unarmed rescue workers can cause a lot of havoc.
7 posted on 09/03/2005 8:16:30 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: atomicpossum

Yeah. Fraid so.


8 posted on 09/03/2005 8:16:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

I've not heard much about conditions inside the Convention Center. Only that the police force was "beaten back" and that there were thousands of visitors there.
What is happening to the out of town women?
Who would beat back the police?
I think my imagination has the answer but it is too horrible to say...


9 posted on 09/03/2005 8:17:18 AM PDT by millefleur (No KING but Jesus !)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Now I know why they search them at the airports now. Sarcasm.
10 posted on 09/03/2005 8:17:41 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Even our local news media is downplaying the thug violence down there.

I have utmost respect for those who left before, during and after the hurricane under their own devices. Several are finally taking the notion of WALKING down the hiway! Finally!

And for all those sittin around waitin for an air conditioned bus with a toilet-forget em.


11 posted on 09/03/2005 8:17:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Shawnlaw (Rock beats scissors. Don't run with rocks. NRA)
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To: atomicpossum

I suspect the a getting a hot meal in Houston as we speak....

I have heard almost everyone interviewed today saying they never plan on going back ....

There could be 2 million people displaced by this... This could affect elections for decades.


12 posted on 09/03/2005 8:18:08 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: atomicpossum

...and happily riding a bus to a nice, quiet community near you...


13 posted on 09/03/2005 8:19:09 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I wonder how much airtime this will get played in the MSM in contrast to what Jessy, Al Sharpton, and Elijah Cummings have said ?
Does anyone want to guess ?
14 posted on 09/03/2005 8:19:45 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: mtbopfuyn
I betcha it's those 80 year old white grannies in wheelchairs causing the trouble.


15 posted on 09/03/2005 8:20:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Carl/NewsMax
the criminal element have looted all the gun shops and gun stores in this city, so they're armed, they're dangerous."

This supposition will be used by disarmament proponents as grounds to further restrict gun sales and private firearm ownership.

16 posted on 09/03/2005 8:21:13 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

"Federal Emergency Management Agency Chief Michael Brown, under fire for his agency's slow response, echoed Chief Compass's complaint, telling CNN: "We are working under conditions of urban warfare."


Though the city's crime rate is ten times the national average, U.S. news outlets downplayed the connection between New Orleans' outsized criminal element and delays in rescue efforts"

That's right. Throw up your hands.
Maybe if Chief Compass and the Mayor had been doing their jobs prior to the hurricane, they would been able to prevent this "urban warfare" situation.

It seems to me, that this should be a very lesson to people all over the country when they head for the polls to vote for their mayor and/or governor next time around.
Vote for the one who seems the most experienced and competent. The one who could really lead in a crisis. Not the best looking or the one who seems to be the most 'caring' or with the nicest smile.


17 posted on 09/03/2005 8:21:52 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Bush's fault.

If that won't suffice... how about Karl Rove or Condi Rice? Both have been snidely criticized for NO already.

You know the race-card they're playing in NO will be used when Roberts confirmation hearing begins. They're going to try to smear Roberts as a racist.

The MSM/DNC cabal is shameless and will stop at nothing to destroy this nation!

18 posted on 09/03/2005 8:22:11 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
They must be dangerous in their own right.

It's gotta be that, of course.

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the abysmal lunacy that is "non-profiling."

Nah.

19 posted on 09/03/2005 8:22:45 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Let me get this straight. The chief of the New Orleans police blames the federal government for letting the situation get out of hand?

No, buddy. The responsibility is yours. And the Mayor's. And then the Governor's.

The proper role of the Mayor is to enforce order in his city. And the proper role of the Governor is to back up local law enforcement if necessary. And the proper role of the President is to back up the Governor. Local law enforcement knows the city best, and knows where the guns shops are where weapons should be safeguarded before they are all stolen.

Since the feds came in in force, the situation has evidently improved. But the breakdown of law and order in the early days, and the looting of guns from markets, was due entirely to the failure of local law enforcement. The police were badly led and incompetent, and the Mayor bugged out of town at the first opportunity, leaving the refugees to fend for themselves.

But they are all eager to blame the problem on Bush, and of course the media are eager to help them.


20 posted on 09/03/2005 8:22:46 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

The truth is many of these thugs were excited about getting an opportunity to take advantage of this disaster. The gangs knew they would be able to run the streets after the storm. I am sure they had no idea it would be this bad but don't think for a minute that this was not their intent. These are cold blooded hard core gang bangers creating most of the problems. This is no different then any other day in the life of N.O. except no lights and no cops


21 posted on 09/03/2005 8:23:12 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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(sorry for my lousy brain/hand coordination this morning)


22 posted on 09/03/2005 8:24:09 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: dfwgator
"Hell's Grannies!"

But, seriously, (as mentioned in an earlier post) something is not adding up....
23 posted on 09/03/2005 8:24:35 AM PDT by hummingbird (21st Century Newsreporting - "Don't get me started!")
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Can't we just celebrate "DIVERSITY" and not focus on the negatives? :)


24 posted on 09/03/2005 8:24:42 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: MarineDad
To once again : loot, rape , murder, and pillage another community.
25 posted on 09/03/2005 8:25:16 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: crosslink
Gangs are nothing more than domestic urban terrorists, and should be handled as such.

Kill 'em where they find 'em.

26 posted on 09/03/2005 8:25:37 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: hummingbird

I've also heard those "Keep Left" signs have been on a rampage as well. :)


27 posted on 09/03/2005 8:25:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NeoconSuperhawk; Admin Moderator

Troll or parody, you decide.


29 posted on 09/03/2005 8:28:13 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Cicero
Let me get this straight. The chief of the New Orleans police blames the federal government for letting the situation get out of hand?

I never got the fellow's name, but is this the same guy Geraldo was interviewing around dusk last night? I thought they said he was the police chief. If it was the same guy, he & Geraldo were practically inciting a riot. Fortunately, the people around them didn't bite and the "interview" ended very abruptly. It was during B'OR program and even B'OR seemed to disdain their tactics.
30 posted on 09/03/2005 8:28:38 AM PDT by hummingbird (21st Century Newsreporting - "Don't get me started!")
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To: MarineDad
I hope with some night vision equipment we can find a target rich enviorment.
31 posted on 09/03/2005 8:29:13 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Wormwood; Admin Moderator

You're pretty quick these days! Nice work.


32 posted on 09/03/2005 8:29:21 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

'It's a war-zone, and they're not treating it like one,' he said, referring to the federal government."

AND, if the big, bad federal government under the nazi dictator Bush had so much as shot at the thug looters, our noble ACLU, the esteemed Congressional Black Caucus, St. Jesee Jackson, the Blessed Reverend Al Sharpton, and the ENTIRE venerable Democrat machine would have rushed to the looters' rescue.


33 posted on 09/03/2005 8:30:20 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Wow! New Orleans actually has a police chief. I hadn't realized that.

This is the first time I've seen a word reported out of his mouth and I don't know that he's done on a single TV interview. If he has, I haven't seen it.

34 posted on 09/03/2005 8:30:33 AM PDT by Bob
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To: dfwgator
Missed that one, but I'd recognize "Hell's Grannies" anywhere!
35 posted on 09/03/2005 8:30:43 AM PDT by hummingbird (21st Century Newsreporting - "Don't get me started!")
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To: NewCenturions
Yeah, let's Celebrate Diversity!


36 posted on 09/03/2005 8:30:57 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

Hmm...perhaps it wasn't such a good idea for the Lousiana Attorney General to justify the looting for ANY reason.
It doesn't take long for word to spread that cops are letting people take what they want...and they did.


37 posted on 09/03/2005 8:31:46 AM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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To: mtbopfuyn

yup , those geezers are deadly, don't forget the religious Jewish kids, they must've been rippin' it up also[/srcsm]


38 posted on 09/03/2005 8:31:56 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: crosslink
Maybe that ( IS ) ( THE ) reason why we heard in the news before the hurricane hit, that many were not heeding the warning to leave the area, saying " naa, were going to stay and ride this storm out " knowing in their hearts and minds that if they survive the storm and flooding, that this was their golden opportunity to loot, murder, rape, and cause mass mayhem.
39 posted on 09/03/2005 8:32:20 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Carl/NewsMax

The criminal element in New Orleans prevented the Red Cross from entering the city. Aid was at the ready from a variety of agencies but their safety could not be guaranteed. NO Homeland Security chief Terry Ebbert totally dropped the ball.


40 posted on 09/03/2005 8:33:27 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Carl/NewsMax
"'It's a war-zone, and they're not treating it like one,' he said, [ New Orleans PD ] referring to the federal government . . ."


You mean your daddy done left you holding the bag, boy? You mean you didn't think the lights would go out? That the criminanimals would go on a spree? Couldn't find that paper with the emergency plan Stan?



41 posted on 09/03/2005 8:35:26 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: Hat-Trick

LOL! You've got that right! (I'm afraid you and I are in need of "sensitivity training"!)


42 posted on 09/03/2005 8:35:31 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

This world is full of evil people and many lived in the projects in N.O. The kind of trash ( both black and white) that prey on the week. Yes I am positive they stayed to steal and rape and take advantage of the old and weak as all cowards do.


43 posted on 09/03/2005 8:35:59 AM PDT by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: EDINVA
as always.
44 posted on 09/03/2005 8:36:34 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
I have to say that anyone who owned a gun shop in New Orleans and fled without taking the guns out with them should be prosecuted for criminal negligence and accessory to murder. Everyone in that town knew how huge the criminal element was, and it's ridiculous that anyone selling guns would not know that the criminals would break in and take the guns!

The gun shop owners were irresponsible. They should not be allowed to reopen within the city, ever. I don't care what all you gun enthusiasts say, this was unconscionable negligence. NO police force should have to waste its time and resources protecting gun shops abandoned by their owners or have to clean up the mess when those shops are ransacked and the guns used.

46 posted on 09/03/2005 8:38:07 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (2,4,6,8 - a burka makes me look overweight!)
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To: Slicksadick

"The last thing the Dems want is it coming out that 20% or so have been murdered."


For some reason, I see the opposite. That is, I see them COUNTING on there being alot of urban warfare deaths so they can blame the president for not having troops there to protect themselves from themselves.

Remember, these people are not responsible for anything, much less their own actions. They need to be protected from themselves, and if the feds cant' do that, then its a conspiracy of racism.

After all, they will claim, if this happened in a white community, where white people were being shot, President Bush would have rode in on the first tank to protect those "white folk"... nevermind this was their own community tearing itself apart... they dont' want to talk about that.

The blame for these "gangstas" with stolen guns will be placed squarely on the NRA for allowing guns to be sold and stolen in the first place. It will never be blamed on individuals. After all, they are black, uneducated, urban and therefore not responsible for their own actions.


47 posted on 09/03/2005 8:38:28 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: Jack550
Ooooh, methinks you're gonna pay for that one, newcomer!
48 posted on 09/03/2005 8:38:36 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: coloradan

You are correct. I'll bet you could count the number of Republican voters in the center of New Orleans on the fingers of one hand.

Last night on Fox I caught a snippet of an elderly African-American lady in New Orleans. She had obviously swallowed all of Jesse Jackson's propaganda, because she was lambasting President Bush. It would probably be a waste of breath to try to explain to her that the rescue was delayed because African-American thugs were shooting at the rescuers.


49 posted on 09/03/2005 8:38:50 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: atomicpossum; Carl/NewsMax

1) they are drug addicts they won't blend in for long.

2) anticipate locals will expose the criminals. The poor innocents are traumatized but will turn on the thugs as they feel safe and learn more about the situation.

3) there will be massive arrests & trials


50 posted on 09/03/2005 8:39:03 AM PDT by chgomac
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