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Missing Able Danger 'Atta' Chart in 2002 Video (a search didn't bring this one up)
Newsmax ^ | August 29, 2005 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 09/03/2005 9:52:55 AM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit

A copy of the Able Danger chart that identified lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta as a terrorist operating inside the U.S. a year before the 9/11 attacks is clearly visible in a video of a 2002 speech by delivered by Rep. Curt Weldon to the Heritage Foundation.

The Pentagon, the 9/11 Commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee are currently seeking evidence that the bombshell chart, featuring a photo Atta, ever existed - as claimed by three members of the Able Danger team, along with Rep. Weldon. But so far, no physical evidence of the controversial document has surfaced.

Until now.

A third of the way through his May 23, 2002 address on data fusion techniques, the video shows Rep. Weldon unfurling a copy of the now missing document and displaying it to the Heritage audience.

"This is the unclassified chart that was done by the Special Forces Command briefing center one year before 9/11," he explains. "It is the complete architecture of al Qaeda and pan-Islamic extremism. It gives all the linkages. It gives all the capabilities. . . ."

Though Weldon never mentions Able Danger or Atta by name - and the video never zooms in on the chart to the point where Atta's photo is identifiable - it's clear from Weldon comments that the chart is the same one currently being sought.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; abledanger; atta; chart; hijacker; missing; video; weldon
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1 posted on 09/03/2005 9:52:57 AM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Fruit of the Spirit
Direct link here (RP):

Video

2 posted on 09/03/2005 9:59:47 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

Sandy Berger?


3 posted on 09/03/2005 10:00:43 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

Weldon needs to be given maximum media exposure in the ramp-up to Saddam's trial. Puts the Clinton adminstration on trial and reinforces the travesty of the Gorelick Wall. Also exposes the 9/11 Commissars. A beautiful lead-in to 2006 and a supermajority...


4 posted on 09/03/2005 10:04:48 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("That was the gift the President gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together."-- Cindy Sheehan)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

Look for the chart in the classified federal archives next to the steel front doors from Mount Carmel.


5 posted on 09/03/2005 10:07:22 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: xcamel

Can you share the begin/end times when the chart is visible? Much appreciated...


6 posted on 09/03/2005 10:08:11 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("That was the gift the President gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together."-- Cindy Sheehan)
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To: StAnDeliver

"Puts the Clinton adminstration on trial"

I have seen bits and pieces of this story, but don't really understand the partisan angle (maybe I'm missing something?). Surely any action that wasn't taken by the Clinton administration continued to not be taken by the incoming Bush administration?


7 posted on 09/03/2005 10:08:30 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard
Gorelick/Halfbright/Sid/Hillary ... not necessarily in that order.
8 posted on 09/03/2005 10:14:27 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("That was the gift the President gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together."-- Cindy Sheehan)
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To: Enchante

You might want to use your ping list for this.


9 posted on 09/03/2005 10:23:00 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit
The Pentagon, the 9/11 Commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee are currently seeking evidence that the bombshell chart, featuring a photo Atta, ever existed - as claimed by three members of the Able Danger team, along with Rep. Weldon. But so far, no physical evidence of the controversial document has surfaced.

Until now.

I believe the Senate and the House, which includes all their attendant committees, can hide more facts and cover more rear ends than anyother group of liars and theives that exist in these "fact hunting bodies" today.

It is sickeningly predictable anytime these committees are formed to purposefully to do exactly that!

10 posted on 09/03/2005 10:43:12 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: StAnDeliver
Can you share the begin/end times when the chart is visible? Much appreciated

As the NewsMax full article states, it's about 34 minutes in. When the video pops up, pull the progress bar to about 33:30 and then let it catch up and play from there (hope you have high-speed).

11 posted on 09/03/2005 10:44:48 AM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

ping


12 posted on 09/03/2005 10:49:04 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Liberals believe common sense facts are open to debate!)
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To: Canard

"I have seen bits and pieces of this story, but don't really understand the partisan angle (maybe I'm missing something?)."

The wall between Able Danger (military intelligence) and the FBI (domestic law enforcement) grew and was maintained by Clinton admin apointees despite very strong worded warnings from Mary Jo White to Gorelick and Reno.

Excessive liberal policy to protect US citizens from invesigations from military inteligence singling out US citizens. Unless *they* being the clinton team decide its something to persue. SO the built the wall and compartmentalized. Though its more complicatedly worded then that, thats the jist of it the way I understand it. Sounds like typical liberal concerns right?
But I dont buy this completely.
Some think that the Clinton Admin was doing this to protect themselves from its China dealings.

I believe this wall was erected to protect Clinton from china-gate. Everything was about Clinton back then. Nothing was for concern for anything but himself. That policy seeped into everything federal and Clintonites are still there today. We still see it going on at the CIA.


13 posted on 09/03/2005 10:57:03 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: StAnDeliver

Around 24:35, Weldon talks about a 1997 plan to create a National Data Fusion Center to analyze classified and unclassified data and set up collaboration among 33 Federal agencies responsible for classified data. Weldon put language into defense bills in 1999 and 2000 to set this capability up as the National Operations and Analysis Hub (NOAH).

At about 32:20, Weldon talks about Special Forces Command in Florida setting up a mini version of the NOAH capability and putting together a 3-hour briefing for General Sheldon. Weldon says he received as much of the brief as they could give because some of it was being used as the Afghanistan operational plan.

He introduces the chart at 33:33 and it is displayed starting at 33:45 and ending at 34:27.


14 posted on 09/03/2005 11:02:27 AM PDT by itsnevertoolate
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To: Fruit of the Spirit; All

For those that have not already read the interview by GSN with Colonel Shaffer, linked below. I really think you should go to site and read it. Bookmark it for future reference. It contains a lot of interesting paradoxes to this whole issue. It contains no political motives as best as I can see.

http://www.gsnmagazine.com/sep_05/shaffer_interview.html


16 posted on 09/03/2005 11:04:44 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

BUMP!!


18 posted on 09/03/2005 11:14:48 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Enchante; STARWISE

(( ping ))


20 posted on 09/03/2005 11:15:23 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: GretchenM

(( ping ))


21 posted on 09/03/2005 11:15:51 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Canard

i take your point. a lot of people truly believe that the clinton group allowed our attention to be focused elsewere. they do not look good on the terror front. so i see why reasonable people would think that by inaction , mismanagement and maybe some cya that the clinton folks should be held accountable. look the whole commission fiasco was a cya get bush move. i will never forget the treatment that condi received . utter contemp and disrespect from that group of blowhard hacks and now as we see worse. i do think that as the info comes out it will go way past any one person. i say lets do this thing and let the chips fall were they may. we should insist on nothing less. the spotlight is on the fed. they will not be allowed a cover up. this will transend politics for thr majority.


22 posted on 09/03/2005 11:21:48 AM PDT by fantom
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To: Canard

i take your point. a lot of people truly believe that the clinton group allowed our attention to be focused elsewere. they do not look good on the terror front. so i see why reasonable people would think that by inaction , mismanagement and maybe some cya that the clinton folks should be held accountable. look the whole commission fiasco was a cya get bush move. i will never forget the treatment that condi received . utter contemp and disrespect from that group of blowhard hacks and now as we see worse. i do think that as the info comes out it will go way past any one person. i say lets do this thing and let the chips fall were they may. we should insist on nothing less. the spotlight is on the fed. they will not be allowed a cover up. this will transend politics for thr majority.


23 posted on 09/03/2005 11:22:22 AM PDT by fantom
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To: BushMeister; itsnevertoolate; Baynative
My thanks to each of you. I finally had the chance to watch it from beginning to end and it's stunning to see Atta's name displayed pre-9/11 on that AQ terrorism chart.

Weldon is a confident, well-spoken man, and I greatly look forward to seeing him on the cable rounds this month.

25 posted on 09/03/2005 11:33:08 AM PDT by StAnDeliver ("That was the gift the President gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together."-- Cindy Sheehan)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

already posted:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1472666/posts#comment?q=1

I find it curious that there's been no comment on this from Weldon or Hadley -- surely they will have to say more about it sometime, and Hadley will have to tell what happened with the chart.... but what happened with the chart AFTER 9/11 is of minute significance compared to what happened with it and all of ABLE DANGER before 9/11, and especially in 2000 (hear that, Clintonistas??) when it still could have made a difference.


26 posted on 09/03/2005 12:07:55 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: Fruit of the Spirit
Weldon has been playing a shrewd game, putting the story out but not showing his entire hand. He will no doubt surface the chart again when the Pentagon confesses to its utter destruction at the behest of the Clintonistas.
27 posted on 09/03/2005 2:30:02 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Names Ash Housewares
"I believe this wall was erected to protect Clinton from china-gate."

LORAL? Bernie Schwartz? Guidance Systems?

28 posted on 09/03/2005 2:34:40 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: Fruit of the Spirit


What, me worry ?
29 posted on 09/03/2005 2:45:42 PM PDT by John Lenin (Liberalism: Where shame is a virtue)
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To: litehaus

LORAL? Bernie Schwartz? Guidance Systems?

I used to work for ol' Bernie many years ago.

LORAL

Laid
Off
Right
After
Lunch

...was the joke.


Yep. This is the most serious thing the Clinton Administration did. The oral sex stuff is disgusting. But at least it didnt help China to be able to nuke us.


30 posted on 09/03/2005 2:46:26 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Travis McGee
Look for the chart in the classified federal archives next to the steel front doors from Mount Carmel.

Yep and I bet thats a pretty big building.

31 posted on 09/03/2005 9:45:56 PM PDT by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: NoCurrentFreeperByThatName

You saw it at the end of Indiana Jones.


32 posted on 09/03/2005 9:50:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: John Lenin
She's sooooooo quiet. Think she's mad at Bubba???...even madder than when she found out about Monica?? (Like she didn't know).

I believe that BOTH Hillary and Bubba agreed to do nothing about the cells on "chance" the cells would do nothing. Same tactic as he used on Usama.

Election Year: "Don't Rock the Boat". The cry was "4 more years of Peace and Prosperity".

33 posted on 09/04/2005 5:03:26 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit; Enchante; Peach; backhoe; ravingnutter; Alamo-Girl; ScaniaBoy

Curt Weldon is on C-Span NOW.

Taped 6/14/05. He's talking about his book 'Countdown to Terror', and various intelligence issues. China, EMP bombs, Tehran, etc. I think he's talked about AD too.

He had a large chart behind him, I don't think it was the AD chart though.

It's airing 8:15 -9:30 am Monday. I just found it a few min's ago. We should check C-Span to see when it will be on again.


34 posted on 09/05/2005 6:24:33 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks; will check the schedule for later this afternoon.


35 posted on 09/05/2005 6:27:47 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Peach

Seems nice Mr. Wilson and Mr. Burglar have disappeared from the face of the earth.


36 posted on 09/05/2005 7:19:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Isn't Sandy Berger's sentencing hearing coming up.


37 posted on 09/05/2005 7:19:58 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping!


38 posted on 09/05/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Peach
Supposedly....Why was it put off in the first place? The timing seems to correspond with the revelation of Able Danger....

Kinda like..."What if Berger specifically lifted and destroyed and/or altered Able Danger related data and the court ruled on what they THOUGHT or WERE TOLD that Berger lifted?? Can the Judge void the plea and make this go to a public trial? Was it a Public Trial?? We really don't know much except via the biased media. Judges do have privileges in some cases.

39 posted on 09/05/2005 1:35:22 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit; PhilDragoo; Howlin; Leapfrog; Lazamataz; John Robertson; weegee; wagglebee; ...

"A third of the way through his May 23, 2002 address on data fusion techniques, the video shows Rep. Weldon unfurling a copy of the now missing document and displaying it to the Heritage audience.

"This is the unclassified chart that was done by the Special Forces Command briefing center one year before 9/11," he explains. "It is the complete architecture of al Qaeda and pan-Islamic extremism. It gives all the linkages. It gives all the capabilities. . . ."


Linke to video in Post #2 -- Anybody have video capture capabilities? Please let me know.


40 posted on 09/05/2005 4:21:30 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Blurblogger

How in the world could this chart go missing like that?


41 posted on 09/05/2005 5:01:36 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Blurblogger; StillProud2BeFree

Do you still have that software that lets you capture stills? If you don't have time to clip the frame with the chart, can you freepmail me the name of that software for download?

Thanks.


42 posted on 09/05/2005 6:33:51 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia; Cboldt; ken5050; doug from upland; John Robinson; JustAmy; Mama_Bear; ValerieUSA; ...

MWSnap makes great screenshots! Freeware (donationware) from this site.

http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/index.html


43 posted on 09/05/2005 6:56:26 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Zacs Mom; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; ...

tasty info ping


44 posted on 09/05/2005 7:05:43 PM PDT by bitt ('But once the shooting starts, a plan is just a guess in a party dress.' Michael Yon)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 09/05/2005 9:19:28 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Sacajaweau
From my files...

We already know exactly what Berglar took and why...pay close attention to the last para on the Clarke/Kerrick memo. From Ashcroft's testimony:

The NSC's Millennium After Action Review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 — with luck playing a major role. Among the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses identified, the Justice Department's surveillance and FISA operations were specifically criticized for their glaring weaknesses. It is clear from the review that actions taken in the Millennium Period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government.

In March 2000, the review warns the prior Administration of a substantial al Qaeda network and affiliated foreign terrorist presence within the U.S., capable of supporting additional terrorist attacks here. [My note: AD info?]

Furthermore, fully seventeen months before the September 11 attacks, the review recommends disrupting the al Qaeda network and terrorist presence here using immigration violations, minor criminal infractions, and tougher visa and border controls.

Post #745

It falls directly into the AD timeline. In that same post, I note that what Sandy Berger stole was the versions of the after action report:

The missing copies, according to Breuer and their author, Richard A. Clarke, the counterterrorism chief in the Clinton administration and early in President Bush's administration, were versions of after-action reports recommending changes following threats of terrorism as 1999 turned to 2000. Clarke said he prepared about two dozen ideas for countering terrorist threats. The recommendations were circulated among Cabinet agencies, and various versions of the memo contained additions and refinements, Clarke said last night.

Therefore, they were never provided to the Commission, as evidenced by the Commission Report footnotes (#769):

46. NSC email, Clarke to Kerrick,“Timeline,”Aug. 19, 1998; Samuel Berger interview (Jan. 14, 2004). We did not find documentation on the after-action review mentioned by Berger. On Vice Chairman Joseph Ralston’s mission in Pakistan, see William Cohen interview (Feb. 5, 2004). For speculation on tipping off the Taliban, see, e.g., Richard Clarke interview (Dec. 18, 2003).

And to what does footnote (46) refer? On p. 117, Chapter 4, we find this:

Later on August 20, Navy vessels in the Arabian Sea fired their cruise missiles. Though most of them hit their intended targets, neither Bin Ladin nor any other terrorist leader was killed. Berger told us that an after-action review by Director Tenet concluded that the strikes had killed 20–30 people in the camps but probably missed Bin Ladin by a few hours. Since the missiles headed for Afghanistan had had to cross Pakistan, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs was sent to meet with Pakistan’s army chief of staff to assure him the missiles were not coming from India. Officials in Washington speculated that one or another Pakistani official might have sent a warning to the Taliban or Bin Ladin. (46)
How about that? How many times have we heard Clinton say that he missed Bin Ladin by just a few hours? Yet the after-action report is missing, so the Commission relied on Sandy Berger's testimony.

Then the Clarke/Kerrick memo peaked my interest and I found this (#784):

Clarke was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible. He wrote Deputy National Security Advisor Donald Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladin's having met with Iraqi officials, who "may have offered him asylum." Other intelligence sources said that some Taliban leaders, though not Mullah Omar, had urged Bin Ladin to go to Iraq. If Bin Ladin actually moved to Iraq, wrote Clarke, his network would be at Saddam Hussein's service, and it would be "virtually impossible" to find him. Better to get Bin Ladin in Afghanistan, Clarke declared.

Kerry and crew could not afford to have this info come out before the election.
46 posted on 09/06/2005 5:58:53 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Canard

How easily we forget...the majority of the Defense Dept. was not in place until a few months before 9/11, they barely had the washroom key, much less the info to prevent 9/11 (Feith and Cambone were the two major ones). Also, the outgoing Clinton Admin had left the WH a mess.

BUSH APPOINTEE CONFIRMATION LIST

DEFENSE:

Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense 01/20/2001
Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary 02/28/2001
Dov Zakheim Undersecretary, Comptroller 05/01/2001
Edward Aldridge Undersecretary for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics 05/08/2001
William James Haynes General Counsel 05/17/2001
Victoria Clarke Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs 05/17/2001
Powell A. Moore Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs 05/01/2001
Charles S. Abell Assistant Secretary for Force Management 05/03/2001
David S.C. Chu Undersecretary for Personnel and Readiness 05/26/2001
Douglas J. Feith Undersecretary for Policy 07/12/2001
Jack Dyer Crouch II Assistant Secretary for International Security Policy 08/01/2001
Stephen A. Cambone Principal Deputy Undersecretary for Policy 07/19/2001
James G. Roche Secretary of the Air Force 05/24/2001
Thomas White Secretary of the Army 05/24/2001
Gordon England Secretary of the Navy 05/22/2001
Susan Morrisey Livingstone Undersecretary of the Navy 07/19/2001
Peter W. Rodman Assistant Secretary for International Security Affairs 07/12/2001
Marvin Sambur Assistant Secretary for Acquisition, Research and Development (Air Force) 11/08/2001
Alberto Jose Mora General Counsel, Navy 07/19/2001
Michael Montelongo Assistant Secretary for Financial Management and Comptroller, Air Force 07/12/2001
Steven John Morello, Sr. General Counsel, Army 07/12/2001
Thomas P. Christie Director, Operational Test and Evaluation 07/12/2001
Dionel M. Aviles Assistant Secretary for Financial Management & Comptroller, Navy 07/12/2001
Michael W. Wynne Deputy Undersecretary for Acquisition and Technology 07/12/2001
Diane K. Morales Deputy Undersecretary for Logistics and Material Readiness 07/12/2001
William A. Navas, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Manpower & Reserve Affairs, Navy 07/12/2001
Michael Parker Assistant Secretary for Civil Works, Army 09/26/2001
Reginald Jude Brown Assistant Secretary for Manpower & Reserve Affairs, Army 07/12/2001
John Stenbit Assistant Secretary for Command, Control, Communications & Intelligence 08/03/2001
Ronald M. Sega Director, Defense Research and Engineering 08/03/2001
John J. Young, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Research, Development & Acquisition, Navy 07/12/2001
Joseph E. Schmitz Inspector General 03/21/2002
Michael L. Dominguez Assistant Secretary for Manpower, Reserve Affairs, Installations & Environment, Air Force 08/03/2001
Nelson F. Gibbs Assistant Secretary for Installations & Environment, Air Force 08/03/2001
H.T. Johnson Assistant Secretary (Navy) for Installations & Environment 08/03/2001
Mario P. Fiori Assistant Secretary (Army) for Installations & Environment 08/03/2001
Sandra L. Pack Assistant Secretary (Army) for Financial Management & Comptroller 11/08/2001
William Winkenwerder, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Health Affairs 10/16/2001
Mary L. Walker General Counsel, Air Force 11/08/2001
Claude M. Bolton, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Acquisition, Logistics & Technology, Army 12/20/2001
Dale Klein Assistant to the Secretary for Nuclear and Chemical and Biological Defense Programs 11/08/2001
Peter B. Teets Undersecretary of the Air Force 12/07/2001
R. L. Brownlee Undersecretary of the Army 11/08/2001
Thomas Forrest Hall Assistant Secretary for Reserve Affairs 10/02/2002
Charles S. Abell Deputy Under Secretary for Personnel and Readiness 11/12/2002


47 posted on 09/06/2005 6:13:45 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

I agree the election campaign played a major role in "not doing anything". The entire campaign was based on 4 more years of peace and prosperity. What a crock. Bush has had to take care of everything that Bubba neglected...from cleaning the White House RUG to going after Bin Laden.


48 posted on 09/06/2005 7:12:19 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

Wasn't there going to be a press conference coming up where a witness was going to be unveiled who would name the name of the person who gave the order to destroy this information ?

Was that to be on the 8th ? or did it already happen ?


49 posted on 09/06/2005 9:43:54 AM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: festus

I'm pretty certain it was scheduled for the 8th.

I wonder if the Katrina diaster will delay the whole thing though?


50 posted on 09/06/2005 3:35:58 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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