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Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | Saturday, September 03, 2005 | Ann Rodgers,

Posted on 09/03/2005 9:53:17 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor

As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now.

"The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross.

"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities. We have been at the table every single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New Orleans against their orders."

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Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city, and relief operations might keep them there. Security is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get ransacked.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: dhs; disasterrelief; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nationalguard; neworleans; redcross
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I can see the NG point. They got to get people out of there. Still, there would be more people surviving to get out with some food and water coming in
1 posted on 09/03/2005 9:53:18 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor

They're getting people out. And I hope they're busy quietly ridding the city of the thugs that have made it too dangerous to let relief workers in.

I hope to see a column of thugs joined together by handcuffs wading through the sewage to Gitmo style penal camps. I doubt that I will, but that's what needs to happen. Either that or thug bodies floating on the sewage.


2 posted on 09/03/2005 9:56:30 AM PDT by livius
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To: SauronOfMordor
This story is kinda strange...just yesterday it was reported the Red Cross was pulling out for safety...which is it Red Cross??..This blame game is going to go on and on and on...
3 posted on 09/03/2005 9:56:40 AM PDT by Getsmart64
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To: SauronOfMordor

They don't want people staying in NO so they're keeping the big charities out I guess.


4 posted on 09/03/2005 9:56:46 AM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Families)
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To: SauronOfMordor

The Red Cross cannot protect themselves, they would not last two minutes if they got near these places. They need to stay alive so they can care for the ones that can be gotten out.

I don't like it any more than anybody else to see another human in the condition they are in. Reality does stink to high heaven though.


5 posted on 09/03/2005 9:57:51 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: SauronOfMordor
Of course. Let's see. Let a bunch of unarmed people go into an area where you cannot ensure their safety. Then when the thugs mob them, you have to pull your troops off their mission to go rescue the "helpers". How about this you MORONS at the Red Cross. You can help best by setting up camps on dry ground OUT SIDE NO and have the people brought TO you.

BTW, just how does this? "The Homeland Security Department has requested a" get translated to the headline of this pap? Modern Journalism, Last refuge of the Drama Queens.

6 posted on 09/03/2005 9:58:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you try to be smarter, I will try to be nicer.)
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To: Deetes

Exactly. The "leaders" want everybody OUT of NOLA.

The engineers know that other levees could give way at any time. Also, any heavy rain in the area will NOT be pumped off (because the pumps are down), adding to the current flood level.

The goal now is to totally evac the city.


7 posted on 09/03/2005 10:00:40 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Getsmart64
This story is kinda strange...just yesterday it was reported the Red Cross was pulling out for safety...which is it Red Cross??..

It's the same story, just slanted to make the NG and Homeland Security look bad.

8 posted on 09/03/2005 10:01:01 AM PDT by 6ppc
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To: SauronOfMordor

The NG's bringing massive quantities of food and water in now. There's probably plenty for everyone now, or will be very shortly. If they let Red Cross and other releif groups in, they have to stretch themselves thinner to protect them from the mutants still roaming the city looking to loot and rape and kill. Leave it to the MSM to only report half the story, to make it look like the federal government (Bush) is trying to slow the flow of relief.


9 posted on 09/03/2005 10:01:25 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Why doesn't the Red Cross set up feeding center and staging areas outside of the city to move the people from the city too? That should be their focus. The Mayor and Governor did an incompetent job preparing their city and state for a disaster!


10 posted on 09/03/2005 10:02:08 AM PDT by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out millions for nothing!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
First the MSM b*tched because the National Guard wasn't there, and now they're b*tching because the NG is there.
11 posted on 09/03/2005 10:02:43 AM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

The NG has food they can give them for temporary sustainment.


12 posted on 09/03/2005 10:03:10 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Scouts Up! http://www.scouting.org/media/katrina/unithelp.html)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

People from the Dome have walked to the bridge. Why not let Red Cross go there.


13 posted on 09/03/2005 10:03:23 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: SauronOfMordor

Maybe they can bring in the Italian Red Cross to help the looters....I mean insurgents....I mean freedom fighters...


14 posted on 09/03/2005 10:03:34 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: SauronOfMordor

"Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city, and relief operations might keep them there. "



Did she just say that FEMA is denying people food to force them to leave the city?


15 posted on 09/03/2005 10:04:25 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: SauronOfMordor

Untrue.


16 posted on 09/03/2005 10:05:15 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Geraldo just reported on a large group of Vietnamese immigrants...who were refusing any aid until every=body else was helped.

He said they have been calm throughout, and were a "Sea of tranquility" among the chaos.

Truly a credit to them, as opposed to some of our other "citizens."


17 posted on 09/03/2005 10:05:42 AM PDT by Sometimes A River ("The leaves have broken on Lake Ponktran" - WKAT 1360 AM Miami Newsreader)
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To: SauronOfMordor
If you feed them warm meals and make them comfortable as the RC will do, they have nor reason to leave. They scatter and the job becomes worse. The NG is doing the right thing until the infrastructure is repaired to safely sustain life.
18 posted on 09/03/2005 10:05:58 AM PDT by devane617
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To: Deetes

My wife is talking on the phone to a friend of hers that's a nurse in Florida. She called the Red Cross and volunteered to come to Houston to help out. They turned her down because "of all the disease" saying it was too dangerous. Huh????


19 posted on 09/03/2005 10:06:38 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (If fire fighters fight fire and crime fighters fight crime what do freedom fighters fight?)
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To: SauronOfMordor
But there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide where to most effectively put relief services.

We're all so used to seeing news media's instant assessments, we don't realize what it takes to provide a proper response for the most seriously in need of help. All the news media have to take in are their camera equipment, operators, batteries, and personal water and food supplies. They don't bring in any kind of help for those needing it. Conversely, the aid workers need to know what to bring in for the masses rather than merely for themselves.

20 posted on 09/03/2005 10:06:41 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: SauronOfMordor
I sent some money to the Red Cross after 911. I hope they are enjoying the new office equipment they purchased for themselves.

Money would be better given to the Salvation Army and others.

21 posted on 09/03/2005 10:07:39 AM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: martinidon
The Mayor and Governor did an incompetent job preparing their city and state for a disaster!
That's an understatement.
22 posted on 09/03/2005 10:09:17 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

The National Guard is right here!

People were ordered to evacuate New Orleans BEFORE Katrina!


23 posted on 09/03/2005 10:13:07 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: clee1
The engineers know that other levees could give way at any time.

As an engineer, I understand that this could become a real possiblity once they start pumping out the water. Right now, the pressures on the levee system are close to the same on the canal side as on the "populated" side, since the populated side is flooded. Once pumping starts and the water is lowered on one side, those levees whose foundations have been weakenen could easily give way.

There's also the possiblity that no real breach would occur, since there is always some amount of foundation saturation.

I suspect the COE is reviewing the as-built construction plans of the levee system to determine where the potential exists for any type of foundation failures once the pressures on the levee walls again become unequal.

24 posted on 09/03/2005 10:13:08 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Al-Jazeera is to the Iraqi War as CBS was to the Vietnam War.)
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To: isthisnickcool
My wife is talking on the phone to a friend of hers that's a nurse in Florida. She called the Red Cross and volunteered to come to Houston to help out. They turned her down because "of all the disease" saying it was too dangerous. Huh????

Tell her to call the Houston Red Cross.

25 posted on 09/03/2005 10:13:53 AM PDT by World'sGoneInsane (LET NO ONE BE FORGOTTEN, LET NO ONE FORGET)
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To: isthisnickcool

"They turned her down because "of all the disease" saying it was too dangerous. Huh????"


I have hear doctors interview they would NOT be going back into places like the dome and convention center because it was NOT safe. Now add to that a breeding toxic sewer, and what it is that our military is wading through it is NOT a good idea to expose any more than absolutely necessary to this death mix.


26 posted on 09/03/2005 10:14:35 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: isthisnickcool

hear = heard


27 posted on 09/03/2005 10:14:58 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: SauronOfMordor

" there would be more people surviving to get out with some food and water coming in"

"As the National Guard delivered food ..."

There is food coming in.


28 posted on 09/03/2005 10:17:44 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: SauronOfMordor

Exactly...

Get the people out of the disaster area asap

Move them to a safe area...with camps set up in advance..

Hygeine becomes increasingly important to stave off epidemics..

The military bases being closed nearby might be good spots
to set up controlled areas..

Given some of these folks past behaviors...control is of the utmost importance to protect the innocent

imo


29 posted on 09/03/2005 10:18:42 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: isthisnickcool
My wife is talking on the phone to a friend of hers that's a nurse in Florida. She called the Red Cross and volunteered to come to Houston to help out. They turned her down because "of all the disease" saying it was too dangerous. Huh????

Maybe she's calling the wrong organization. They are currently begging for medical personnel at the Astrodome and Convention center in Houston.

30 posted on 09/03/2005 10:19:40 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SauronOfMordor

Red Cross- future hostages?


31 posted on 09/03/2005 10:22:50 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: gondramB
Did she just say that FEMA is denying people food to force them to leave the city?

It would appear so. Chances are that this person won't be allowed to speak with the press again any time soon.

32 posted on 09/03/2005 10:25:33 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: isthisnickcool

My wife is talking on the phone to a friend of hers that's a nurse in Florida. She called the Red Cross and volunteered to come to Houston to help out. They turned her down because "of all the disease" saying it was too dangerous. Huh????

One theme that seems to be emerging is that the Red Cross is peopled by a bunch of dimwits and incompetents. I stopped donating to them years ago. I'll only donate to faith-based charities.


33 posted on 09/03/2005 10:30:15 AM PDT by hardworking
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To: SauronOfMordor

I was on a line in Kmart yesterday with a woman who's husband works with a cleanup company.

She said, he couldn't go in until the area is secure. Then she said she probably won't see him for a year.


34 posted on 09/03/2005 10:31:00 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Real Cynic No More
I suspect the COE is reviewing the as-built construction plans of the levee system to determine where the potential exists for any type of foundation failures once the pressures on the levee walls again become unequal.

I wonder if anyone will drive their Chevy to the levee...

35 posted on 09/03/2005 10:34:50 AM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: Mrs Mark
Red Cross motto: "We're there when you need us."

(choke, choke. joke, joke.)

36 posted on 09/03/2005 10:46:02 AM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Mrs Mark

But the levee was wet.


37 posted on 09/03/2005 10:46:40 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: SauronOfMordor

Judging from the PR grovel fest on TV, the Red Cross is looking for a PR opportunity.

A way they can serve a $1000 soup kitchen with $25,000 worth of "administrative costs".


38 posted on 09/03/2005 10:48:02 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: SauronOfMordor
The administration really has to explain to the nation what is going on and why things take as long as they do. The media is really driving home the pack of lies about the response time and the public at large is getting pissy. Some conservative talkers are even pounding this point about slow federal response and the president should address it soon or he will be rendered useless.
39 posted on 09/03/2005 10:48:10 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Refugee - Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

We got some thin’ we both know it,
We don’t talk too much about it
Ain’t no real big secret, all the same,
Somehow we get around it

Listen, it don’t really matter to me
Baby, you believe what you wanna believe
You see, you don’t have to live like a refugee

Somewhere, somehow, somebody must have
Kicked you around some
Tell me why you wanna lay there,
Revel in your abandon

Honey, it don’t make no difference to me
Baby, everybody’s had to fight to be fre e
You see, you don’t have to live like a refugee
No baby, you don’t have to live like a refugee

Baby, we ain’t the first
I’m sure a lot of other lovers been burned
Right now this ain’t real to you
It’s one of those things you got to feel to be true

Somewhere, somehow, somebody must have
Kicked you around some
Who knows, maybe you were kidnapped,
Tied-up, taken away, and held for ransom

Honey, it don’t really matter to me
Baby, everybody’s ha d to fight to be free
You see, you don’t have to live like a refugee
No, you don’t have to live like a refugee
Baby, you don’t have to live like a refugee


40 posted on 09/03/2005 10:49:49 AM PDT by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: SauronOfMordor
The red cross is upset cause they can't upgrade their phone system and donor list and give more money to the International Red Cross to visit Gitmo or Abu Grab.

Blank the red cross can't even collect blood right.

41 posted on 09/03/2005 10:53:49 AM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zatôichi: I don't see much)
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To: isthisnickcool

Tell her to contact
http://www.onestarfoundation.org/ to find a way to help in Texas. The Texas gov was pitching this site last night.


42 posted on 09/03/2005 10:56:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Someone please give reason why they have kept out the ham radio people who have traditionally provided communication links when no one else could.

It sounds like deliberate something by the inept Homeland Security people.


43 posted on 09/03/2005 10:57:22 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: SauronOfMordor
"Still, there would be more people surviving to get out with some food and water coming in..."

Maybe not. If they bring the food in without getting the people out then many may just return to their neighborhoods to either try to pick up their lives if home is there or move into a shantee nearby with their loot. This would cause even more deaths due to the likelyhood of disease or the possibility of one of the anticipated near future storms hitting NO again resulting in drowning of anyone who stayed behind.

Everyone needs to get out first then we can all argue about the timetable for residential return and if they are ever allowed to stay to resettle.

44 posted on 09/03/2005 10:59:36 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: martinidon
Why doesn't the Red Cross set up feeding center and staging areas outside of the city to move the people from the city too?

That's whats being done, but the places with facilities to house the people are not just outside the city, but in Houston, San Antonio, Dallas ...

45 posted on 09/03/2005 11:07:22 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: isthisnickcool
Sounds to me like your wife's friend is getting the wrong info.... Here's a clip from the Houston Chronicle just today.....


46 posted on 09/03/2005 11:10:27 AM PDT by deport (If you want something bad enough, there's someone who will sell it to you. Even the truth your way.)
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To: dts32041
The red cross is upset cause they can't upgrade their phone system and donor list and give more money to the International Red Cross to visit Gitmo or Abu Grab. Blank the red cross can't even collect blood right.

The American Red Cross is now an arm
of the International Red Cross which is a Marxist Organization.

Do not send one penny to the Marxist Red Cross!
Send your money instead to
the Salvation Army
http:// www.salvationarmyusa.org
or
Samaritan's Purse
http://www.samaritanspurse.org/

b'shem Y'shua

47 posted on 09/03/2005 11:11:32 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: Spirited

Homeland Security wants to keep out the ham radio operators, the Red Cross and who knows who else.
They want all the credit or the blame for themselves.
Right now it's weighted on the blame side.


48 posted on 09/03/2005 11:19:31 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: MNJohnnie

If their safety and access was that big of concern how could all of these media trucks get in their day after day without a problem.
This is an excuse for no coordination not lack of want or heartless rescuers.
To accuse the media of being drama queens while people are starving and dehydrating around them is just amazing when your sitting in your comfy house with all the food and water you need.


49 posted on 09/03/2005 11:23:23 AM PDT by jetvol1 (Yeah yeah yeah i love ya. now roll over.)
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To: Real Cynic No More

It's not rocket science try bringing them water and food. The basics. Relieve the desperation.


50 posted on 09/03/2005 11:27:17 AM PDT by jetvol1 (Yeah yeah yeah i love ya. now roll over.)
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