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National Hurricane Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out..."
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | Sun, Aug. 28, 2005 | BY MARC CAPUTO, DAVID OVALLE AND ERIKA BOLSTAD

Posted on 09/03/2005 12:14:14 PM PDT by joinedafterattack

MAYOR CRITICIZED EVEN BEFORE LEVY BREAK. National Hurricane Center Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out of New Orleans." "The criticisms of Nagin came from above as well. Numerous officials urged him to evacuate the city, but he worried about the legality of ordering people out when New Orleans has few safe hurricane shelters. Also, National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: Get people out of New Orleans.

''I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation,'' Mayfield said. ``New Orleans is never going to be the same.''

When a grim Nagin issued the mandatory evacuation order Sunday, he said: ``We are facing a storm that most of us have feared . . . God bless us.''

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blanco; cary; democratswrongagain; disasterprep; evacuation; hurricane; incompetence; incompetent; itsspelledlevee; katrina; katrinafailures; maxmayfield; mayor; nagin; neworleans
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MAYOR CRITICIZED EVEN BEFORE LEVY BREAK. National Hurricane Center Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out of New Orleans." "The criticisms of Nagin came from above as well. Numerous officials urged him to evacuate the city, but he worried about the legality of ordering people out when New Orleans has few safe hurricane shelters. Also, National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: Get people out of New Orleans.

''I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation,'' Mayfield said. ``New Orleans is never going to be the same.''

When a grim Nagin issued the mandatory evacuation order Sunday, he said: ``We are facing a storm that most of us have feared . . . God bless us.''

1 posted on 09/03/2005 12:14:16 PM PDT by joinedafterattack
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To: joinedafterattack

Can this guy be removed from power, and have someone appointed ?


2 posted on 09/03/2005 12:15:38 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: joinedafterattack

Good find.


3 posted on 09/03/2005 12:15:40 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: joinedafterattack

the MSM won't let this happen but he seems the GOAT of this!


4 posted on 09/03/2005 12:15:54 PM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: joinedafterattack

I can't prove it of course, but Nagin looks to me like someone who enjoys a bong hit now and again. I wouldn't be surprised if Nagin's hurricane party was in full gear when he took that phone call.


5 posted on 09/03/2005 12:17:50 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: joinedafterattack

If not for President Bush, and others like Max Mayfield, the New Orleans problem would be far, far worse than it was earlier this week. The Mayor and Governor were negligent in their actions.


6 posted on 09/03/2005 12:18:56 PM PDT by Modok
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To: joinedafterattack

Nagin is not going to come out of this unscathed but he is not at the top of my list. His Homeland Security chief and the Police Chief are number one and two on the list in that order. I would want to know exactly what happened after the 2004 Ivan debacle before knowing where to place Nagin on the list. I think there might be one or two ACLU lawyers that are ahead of him. Still, even if there were lawsuits behind the indecision, Nagin was the Mayor and sometimes situations require a "damn the lawyers and do the right thing" response.


7 posted on 09/03/2005 12:21:04 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: joinedafterattack
This is why that Rats are going nuts. The main people in power were Rats and this is going to cost them in the end. So what do they do "Blame B ...." Play the race card etc.... It's not going to work. We should be looking forward to hearings on this. The Rats are going to pay in the end...

Bookmaring..

President Bush even called to insist the evacuate.

8 posted on 09/03/2005 12:22:31 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Families)
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To: Modok

Repeat it as often as you can:

If it were not for our President, who personally intervened and asked for a mandatory evaculation, many thousand more lives would have been lost.

The blanko governor said this, herself. The President personally called for it. It was at HIS urging.

Let's get this word out -- our President is to thanked for his intervention.



9 posted on 09/03/2005 12:23:16 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (Our President's intervention saved lives.)
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To: Modok
The Mayor and Governor were criminally negligent in their actions.
10 posted on 09/03/2005 12:25:03 PM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: Echo Talon
Removed... Hell I'm starting to think that he might ought to be charged with negligent homicide.
11 posted on 09/03/2005 12:26:13 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Echo Talon

No he cannot...It would be RACIST


12 posted on 09/03/2005 12:27:37 PM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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To: joinedafterattack

I'm not feeling very benevolent today,
but the Mayor and Governor at the best examples of Liberalizm being a mental defect.


13 posted on 09/03/2005 12:28:17 PM PDT by najida (I run with scissors and I don't play well with others.)
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To: joinedafterattack

All FR memebrs;

It is very important we get the stories like this out, and hammer and hammer them home on websites and talk shows and emails.

The RATs will try to overpower us, but the truth must come out.

Checkout posts #34 and #54 of this thread about the busses and demographic information, along with photos of busses lined up and never used.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1476006/posts

We must not let the RATs use this arguement. Hit them, and hit 'em hard with facts.

Also, many have posted the statement by President Bush informing Gov. Bozo Blanco to evacuate the city. We have the facts, the RATs have the baseless rants.


14 posted on 09/03/2005 12:28:37 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Fresh Wind

The mayor's failure to deploy the 3-400 schoolbuses that were available to help evacuate the needy will come back to haunt him. In my opinion, this was criminal negligence. How many people died because of this negligence?


15 posted on 09/03/2005 12:30:32 PM PDT by RTINSC
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To: joinedafterattack
It's time to let the Congressional Black Caucus loudmouths, the Senate liberal "blame Bush" crowd and the lame stream parrot media what the facts really are. They need a list, with facts and links to back them up, of where Blanco and Nagin acted irresponsibly .
They are deceiving the public who are too ill badly educated to under stand the chain of command, the Constitution and legal roadblocks. I've actually heard people blame Bush for telling people to go to the Super Dome when HE didn't put food and water in there.
16 posted on 09/03/2005 12:31:05 PM PDT by pieces of time
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To: joinedafterattack
There was a moonbat here who said that it was armchair quarterbacking, "hindsight bull****", to point this (image) out. But Nagin knew all along what to do.


17 posted on 09/03/2005 12:31:09 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: JustAnotherOkie

Thanks dude, I just pulled all my hair out


18 posted on 09/03/2005 12:31:54 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Purge the land of Leftists and deadbeats)
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To: joinedafterattack
Hmmm, Nagin is looking pretty bad inhind sight. I remember when Allen was heading towards Galveston, City Manager order evacuation while the storm was well out at sea, Allen never hit Galveston and City government took a couple of hits over the order, but nothing like the hits Nagin is going to take for waiting too long to issue his evacuation order. Galveston City government is looking good in comparisons.

Hard to believe that Nagin decided to sleep on it saturday night, wonder how many lives that cost.

19 posted on 09/03/2005 12:34:58 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Darth Reagan

ping


20 posted on 09/03/2005 12:36:38 PM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Removed... Hell I'm starting to think that he might ought to be charged with negligent homicide.

I feel the same way. He had a plan and didn't follow it.

21 posted on 09/03/2005 12:37:05 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: joinedafterattack

It's all a blur..when it was I can't say- but I HEARD Max Mayfield in an interview saying he'd called the mayor and basically begged him.

Unbelievable.


22 posted on 09/03/2005 12:37:06 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: joinedafterattack
“The snake senses something coming, Martin said, something horrific. ''I don't believe you're going to go until God takes you,'' Martin said. ``I've lived a good, full life and I'm not worried about it. You've got to take life as it comes.''

“You 'gotta take life as it comes.”... well Martin... it done come. Wonder if 'Martin'... or his snake made it.

23 posted on 09/03/2005 12:37:52 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
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To: joinedafterattack

They had a close call last year

I remember hearing the concerns about the bowl filling up then


24 posted on 09/03/2005 12:38:19 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: joinedafterattack
+ failure to dispatch = Bush's fault!
25 posted on 09/03/2005 12:38:45 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: joinedafterattack

Assuming that the 20% who didn't leave had been evacuated by the city of NO, I wonder where they would have been taken? Was there a 'plan' for this? 20% of 400,000 is 80,000 people. Or, if you figure the population of the NO metro area--1.3 million--20% of that is 260,000 people which is approximately the population of the city of Baton Rouge. And was there resistance in BR (and elsewhere) about accepting the bottom tier of the NO population?

I suspect that there are a lot of very interesting chapters left in this story.


26 posted on 09/03/2005 12:39:41 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Deetes
This is why that Rats are going nuts. The main people in power were Rats and this is going to cost them in the end. So what do they do "Blame B ...." Play the race card etc.... It's not going to work. We should be looking forward to hearings on this. The Rats are going to pay in the end...

Don't bet on it

MSM and the dem party leaders will NEVER let it happen
27 posted on 09/03/2005 12:39:55 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: joinedafterattack

That mayor has blood on his hands.


28 posted on 09/03/2005 12:40:09 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: joinedafterattack

Excuse my French, but this guy Nagin is "Un-f**king-believable."


29 posted on 09/03/2005 12:41:15 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

30 posted on 09/03/2005 12:41:45 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: joinedafterattack

Nagin is a scumbag. I DARE anyone to defend his mismanagement.


31 posted on 09/03/2005 12:42:33 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Nagin looks to me like someone who enjoys a bong hit now and again. I wouldn't be surprised if Nagin's hurricane party was in full gear when he took that phone call.

"Mayor, it's the National Hurricane Director ont he phone--he says it's urgent."

"Take a message."

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32 posted on 09/03/2005 12:43:45 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Chertoff '08)
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To: JoJo Gunn
Yes Nagin did know all along what to do.

Louisiana's evacuation plan called for those buses to be used! From the Federal Response Plan at http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/frp2003.pdf

Page 13 5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.
33 posted on 09/03/2005 12:44:58 PM PDT by Smelly_Fed
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To: Flyer; humblegunner; Allegra; TheMom; Xenalyte; thackney; Eaker; stevie_d_64; TXBSAFH; ...

ping


34 posted on 09/03/2005 12:45:03 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum
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To: joinedafterattack
Hi, Mayor Nagin.
Useless Eater and Giant Loser.
Damn Glad to Meet YOU!!!

35 posted on 09/03/2005 12:46:31 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Texas_Jarhead; Fresh Wind
The Mayor and Governor were criminally negligent in their actions.

Hell I'm starting to think that he might ought to be charged with negligent homicide.

100% agreement. Katrina killed thousands. But hundreds (if not thousands) more died because of this man's gross incompetence.

36 posted on 09/03/2005 12:47:07 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Chertoff '08)
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To: ChadGore; Arrowhead1952; commish

ping


37 posted on 09/03/2005 12:48:43 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Smelly_Fed
The use of local and regional buses was ignored. Over the last 5 days we've seen a scramble to bring in buses from other locations and I just saw this go by:

2:13 P.M. - BATON ROUGE (AP): Governor Kathleen Blanco has declared a state of public health emergency. The declaration allows doctors, nurses and other medical professionals to register with the Department of Health and Hospitals and go to work immediately in Louisiana. The medical professionals must be in good standing in their home states.

Blanco also is asking that school buses be used to help carry supplies and evacuate hurricane victims. Superintendents in every Louisiana school district that is still up and running have been ordered to send a list of buses and drivers.

I can't believe she just got around to calling for school buses in her own state after seeing all the begging and screaming for buses over the last few days. They are still woefully behind the curve while criticizing Bush and the federal government for not doing things fast enough.
38 posted on 09/03/2005 12:50:09 PM PDT by Route66 (America's Main Street)
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To: SE Mom

The mayor himself said Sat night that Max Mayfield put the fear of God into him, and he was having the city attorney research whether he had the power to order a mandatory evacuation. The odds that the city attorney researched anything are about zero. That was just spin. In any event, it was all a farce, because no public transportation was offered, and the "mandatory" bit was unenfoceable. It apparently didn't occur to the mayor to try to commandeer public transportation vehicles.


39 posted on 09/03/2005 12:53:15 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Echo Talon

LOL!


40 posted on 09/03/2005 12:57:51 PM PDT by silent_jonny (Chertoff '08)
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To: Smelly_Fed

Thanks for the link.


41 posted on 09/03/2005 1:00:33 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: Echo Talon

A great find. The guy had no business even being at home 24 hours before a Category 5 was scheduled to hit his city. He should have been in a command center.


42 posted on 09/03/2005 1:01:27 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: joinedafterattack
 

Shout it from the rooftops!

Seems to me that thousands of people owe their lives to the competence and compassion of President Bush.

Why Was New Orleans Evacuated?
Power Line, MN - 2 hours ago
... Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low ...
 
Looters Take To Streets; Martial Law Declared
New Orleans Channel.com, LA - Aug 30, 2005
... Gov. Blanco said President George W. Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. ...
 
New Orleans Mayor Issues Evacuation Order
Guardian Unlimited, UK - Aug 28, 2005
... Blanco said President Bush called and personally appealed for the mandatory evacuation for the city, which sits below sea level.
 
Nightmare named Katrina bears down on New Orleans
KTBS, LA - Aug 28, 2005
... all flights. Gov. Kathleen Blanco said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying.

Category 5 Katrina barrels toward New Orleans

KansasCity.Com (Knight Ridder)
National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: "Get people out of New Orleans. I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation," Mayfield said. "New Orleans is never going to be the same."
 

 

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43 posted on 09/03/2005 1:02:32 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Liberals believe common sense facts are open to debate!)
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To: Smelly_Fed

Do you have a link to the page, instead of a direct link to the file, so I can do a Save As?


44 posted on 09/03/2005 1:05:57 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: joinedafterattack
Steve Harrigan just interviewed a 65-year old man who is sitting on the overpass, who said "They've got idiots running this city."

When Harrigan repeated his words he misquoted him by saying "They got idiots running this thing."

45 posted on 09/03/2005 1:07:06 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: silent_jonny; pookie18

46 posted on 09/03/2005 1:09:52 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: joinedafterattack
I sent an e-mail to a liberal friend concerniing the 17th street levee breaking, as the MSM was trying to blame the Pres. for 'cutting' the Corp of Engineers' budget.

Here is his answer and likely the Dim talking points, at least how they are thinking..

For your enjoyment..

Okay so the levee wasn't built to take the storm. Is that the issue here? But what about afterwards? Alabama's governor says he got all the help he asked for and that Fema was very helpful. Guess what party he belongs to?

But in Louisiana, guess which party their governor belongs to.........

Who said aid was slowed because the Governor didn't request it in the official way?

Who then turned away dozens of volunteers out of the bayou that arrived in droves with jon boats and supplies the day after the hurricane.

When Mayor Daly of Chicago offered to send a caravan of Fire and rescue brigades, who told them they weren't needed and accepted only one?

Who told the Red Cross they could not go into New Orleans because it wasn't safe?

Who refused to allow people in the Superdome to "walk out" of a situation with out water and facilities until yesterday?

When nurses from North Carolina volunteered at thier own expense to go assist in the decaying hospitals who told them, not until after 30 days of HAZMAT training?

Who told Houston that they could not accept refugees without a thorough security screening?

Who told the press that 30,000 troops had been deployed to Louisiana on Tuesday when in fact there were only 2,500 national guard troops there until early this morning and only 7,000 Guardsmen would be in the city by Saturday?

Who told the truck loads of bottled water, in Texas, ready to go on Monday morning, to wait until Thursday to drive in?

Who sent empty buses into where water and food were needed to pick up some of the many people who needed water and food?

Who told the staff at Charity hospital to take their patients onto the roof for evacuation, twice, and didn't show up either time?

With the hundreds of barges designed for transport and available to be commandeered to transport supplies to and people from the steps of the convention center, who commandeered ANYTHING to help?

Who declared that the Navy hospital ship had set sail yesterday when in fact it is still in Norfolk?

Why did the director of FEMA state on CNN that he had been unaware that there were several thousand people at the convention center in New Orleans, when we had been watching it on the news since the day before?

A dozen or so potshots have been taken at whomever. Is that a huge surprise for a city that in good times was having murders committed everyday? Were peolpe allowed to go in then? Now a dozen crack heads with a pistol can paralyze the US Government?

The answer is, the retirement home for incompetent republican administrators called the office of Homeland Security. They succesfully stopped every private effort, small scale and large, to evacuate feed and water the people of the Louisiana delta for two days because they were "in charge of coordinating the agencies with command and control as designed for such a disaster"

If my house is on fire, I don't want to be required to go to firefighting school, then get security clearance, make an acceptable official declaration of "house on fire", and wait for the President to fly in and agree it's on fire, before I can throw a cup of water on it.

You want Homeland Security? Get rid of those clueless idiots and give that job back to the National Guard and the Coast Guard, the agencies created with the experience to handle these disasters and get rid of this ridiculously ineffective agency and it's interference with common sense.

47 posted on 09/03/2005 1:09:56 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: JoJo Gunn

You'll find all sorts of incriminating documents right here:
http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/plansindex.htm


48 posted on 09/03/2005 1:10:19 PM PDT by Smelly_Fed
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To: joinedafterattack

We can only hope that New Orleans will never be the same.


49 posted on 09/03/2005 1:11:25 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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To: Echo Talon

Removed from power? I think he needs to be prosecuted!


50 posted on 09/03/2005 1:13:19 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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