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National Hurricane Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out..."
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | Sun, Aug. 28, 2005 | BY MARC CAPUTO, DAVID OVALLE AND ERIKA BOLSTAD

Posted on 09/03/2005 12:14:14 PM PDT by joinedafterattack

MAYOR CRITICIZED EVEN BEFORE LEVY BREAK. National Hurricane Center Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out of New Orleans." "The criticisms of Nagin came from above as well. Numerous officials urged him to evacuate the city, but he worried about the legality of ordering people out when New Orleans has few safe hurricane shelters. Also, National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: Get people out of New Orleans.

''I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation,'' Mayfield said. ``New Orleans is never going to be the same.''

When a grim Nagin issued the mandatory evacuation order Sunday, he said: ``We are facing a storm that most of us have feared . . . God bless us.''

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blanco; cary; democratswrongagain; disasterprep; evacuation; hurricane; incompetence; incompetent; itsspelledlevee; katrina; katrinafailures; maxmayfield; mayor; nagin; neworleans
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To: Smelly_Fed

Thanks for the link.


41 posted on 09/03/2005 1:00:33 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. )
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To: Echo Talon

A great find. The guy had no business even being at home 24 hours before a Category 5 was scheduled to hit his city. He should have been in a command center.


42 posted on 09/03/2005 1:01:27 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: joinedafterattack
 

Shout it from the rooftops!

Seems to me that thousands of people owe their lives to the competence and compassion of President Bush.

Why Was New Orleans Evacuated?
Power Line, MN - 2 hours ago
... Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low ...
 
Looters Take To Streets; Martial Law Declared
New Orleans Channel.com, LA - Aug 30, 2005
... Gov. Blanco said President George W. Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding. ...
 
New Orleans Mayor Issues Evacuation Order
Guardian Unlimited, UK - Aug 28, 2005
... Blanco said President Bush called and personally appealed for the mandatory evacuation for the city, which sits below sea level.
 
Nightmare named Katrina bears down on New Orleans
KTBS, LA - Aug 28, 2005
... all flights. Gov. Kathleen Blanco said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying.

Category 5 Katrina barrels toward New Orleans

KansasCity.Com (Knight Ridder)
National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: "Get people out of New Orleans. I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation," Mayfield said. "New Orleans is never going to be the same."
 

 

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43 posted on 09/03/2005 1:02:32 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Liberals believe common sense facts are open to debate!)
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To: Smelly_Fed

Do you have a link to the page, instead of a direct link to the file, so I can do a Save As?


44 posted on 09/03/2005 1:05:57 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. )
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To: joinedafterattack
Steve Harrigan just interviewed a 65-year old man who is sitting on the overpass, who said "They've got idiots running this city."

When Harrigan repeated his words he misquoted him by saying "They got idiots running this thing."

45 posted on 09/03/2005 1:07:06 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: silent_jonny; pookie18

46 posted on 09/03/2005 1:09:52 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: joinedafterattack
I sent an e-mail to a liberal friend concerniing the 17th street levee breaking, as the MSM was trying to blame the Pres. for 'cutting' the Corp of Engineers' budget.

Here is his answer and likely the Dim talking points, at least how they are thinking..

For your enjoyment..

Okay so the levee wasn't built to take the storm. Is that the issue here? But what about afterwards? Alabama's governor says he got all the help he asked for and that Fema was very helpful. Guess what party he belongs to?

But in Louisiana, guess which party their governor belongs to.........

Who said aid was slowed because the Governor didn't request it in the official way?

Who then turned away dozens of volunteers out of the bayou that arrived in droves with jon boats and supplies the day after the hurricane.

When Mayor Daly of Chicago offered to send a caravan of Fire and rescue brigades, who told them they weren't needed and accepted only one?

Who told the Red Cross they could not go into New Orleans because it wasn't safe?

Who refused to allow people in the Superdome to "walk out" of a situation with out water and facilities until yesterday?

When nurses from North Carolina volunteered at thier own expense to go assist in the decaying hospitals who told them, not until after 30 days of HAZMAT training?

Who told Houston that they could not accept refugees without a thorough security screening?

Who told the press that 30,000 troops had been deployed to Louisiana on Tuesday when in fact there were only 2,500 national guard troops there until early this morning and only 7,000 Guardsmen would be in the city by Saturday?

Who told the truck loads of bottled water, in Texas, ready to go on Monday morning, to wait until Thursday to drive in?

Who sent empty buses into where water and food were needed to pick up some of the many people who needed water and food?

Who told the staff at Charity hospital to take their patients onto the roof for evacuation, twice, and didn't show up either time?

With the hundreds of barges designed for transport and available to be commandeered to transport supplies to and people from the steps of the convention center, who commandeered ANYTHING to help?

Who declared that the Navy hospital ship had set sail yesterday when in fact it is still in Norfolk?

Why did the director of FEMA state on CNN that he had been unaware that there were several thousand people at the convention center in New Orleans, when we had been watching it on the news since the day before?

A dozen or so potshots have been taken at whomever. Is that a huge surprise for a city that in good times was having murders committed everyday? Were peolpe allowed to go in then? Now a dozen crack heads with a pistol can paralyze the US Government?

The answer is, the retirement home for incompetent republican administrators called the office of Homeland Security. They succesfully stopped every private effort, small scale and large, to evacuate feed and water the people of the Louisiana delta for two days because they were "in charge of coordinating the agencies with command and control as designed for such a disaster"

If my house is on fire, I don't want to be required to go to firefighting school, then get security clearance, make an acceptable official declaration of "house on fire", and wait for the President to fly in and agree it's on fire, before I can throw a cup of water on it.

You want Homeland Security? Get rid of those clueless idiots and give that job back to the National Guard and the Coast Guard, the agencies created with the experience to handle these disasters and get rid of this ridiculously ineffective agency and it's interference with common sense.

47 posted on 09/03/2005 1:09:56 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: JoJo Gunn

You'll find all sorts of incriminating documents right here:
http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/plansindex.htm


48 posted on 09/03/2005 1:10:19 PM PDT by Smelly_Fed
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To: joinedafterattack

We can only hope that New Orleans will never be the same.


49 posted on 09/03/2005 1:11:25 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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To: Echo Talon

Removed from power? I think he needs to be prosecuted!


50 posted on 09/03/2005 1:13:19 PM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: backhoe

Backhoe - what is the one keyword I should look for in the list to make sure this gets added to your archived list?


51 posted on 09/03/2005 1:14:25 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Smelly_Fed; All

Thanks.

I think it's all right here, the complete plan as a Word file, and supplements as .pdf's.

http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/eopindex.htm

I'm on a dialup so will get the complete one sometime tonight. It's 4.7 megs.


52 posted on 09/03/2005 1:16:42 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. )
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To: i_dont_chat
The media in general and CNN in particular has an agenda to promote and the truth is not part of the equation.

I was never so proud of FNC as when I watched Greta reporting from Houston. Bottom line. She said she was so moved by the outpouring of care and concern that she wished she could say she was from Texas.

Even smarmy Colmes stuck to ways to help and avoided talk of politics.

O'R, not my favorite stuck to trying to rescue people; save lives.

Geraldo and Smith ought to be fired immediately.

53 posted on 09/03/2005 1:18:22 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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To: MizSterious
Maybe hey will rename the City of New Orleans to Atlantis and the surrounding waters The Bay of Nagin.
54 posted on 09/03/2005 1:19:45 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Torie
I wish you guys would cut them all some slack. Its not like anybody knew about any of this. Its a total and absolutel shocking suprise. Who would've guessed that a city 20' below a lake immediately adjecnt would actually flood if the wall separating the city from the lake breached (I mean come on, get real). Moreover, a plan is only as good as how well one practices implementing it, and its not like that was ever done.

"Oh, wait, we did do something, I seem to vaguely recall something, having to do with all that. Now just what was that..Oh, yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaa.

Wooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Oooops. My Bad." - Mayor Nagin.

science fiction scenario

preposterous never could happen make-believe scenario

absolutely non-sensical no way in the world it could happen seminar

Pie in the sky - ivory tower - wack job nutter alarmist stuff

From the www.lsu.edu web-site (dated summer 2005):

"A second Hurricane Pam Exercise is planned for this summer," said van Heerden. "Agencies will be able to expand on aspects of response and recovery that were not explored before."

I guess its probably just me as a retrospective 20/20 hindsight - Monday morning quarterbacking armchair general that LA got sprung on them a double-secret super-dooper Hurricane Pam excercise that nobody knew was coming, left them absolutely flat-footed, and absolutely were left out in the cold due to George Bush's heartless capriciousness.

However, based on the results and outcome of this excercise, whatever these people had previously explored wasn't of any practical value whatsoever (that and two nickles would get you a dime).

I'm sure that's just me. But I guess that probably in great part is a result of not being a raving nutjob moonbat rabidly frothing at the maw, so I don't know what to tell you and all that.

55 posted on 09/03/2005 1:21:51 PM PDT by raygun
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To: joinedafterattack

I'm no fan of the mayor. In fact, he's a disgrace.

But lest anyone has forgotten, the FIRST official hurricane WARNING wasn't even issued until late Saturday evening, August 27. Earlier in the day, there were hurricane watches issued, but by Saturday evening it was becoming apparent that New Orleans would probably be facing a direct hit from a Cat 4 or 5 storm.

Heck, on Thursday the 25th, Katrina was only a Category 1 hurricane that was moving west out the Florida Keys. It did not turn north and grow larger until later. No one could have predicted on Thursday where the hurricane would go.


HURRICANE KATRINA ADVISORY NUMBER  19
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
10 PM CDT SAT AUG 27 2005

...DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA THREATENS THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF
COAST...A HURRICANE WARNING ISSUED...
 
AT 10 PM CDT...0300Z...A HURRICANE WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST FROM MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA EASTWARD TO THE ALABAMA/FLORIDA BORDER...INCLUDING THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN.  A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/pub/al122005.public.019.shtml


56 posted on 09/03/2005 1:21:57 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Route66

They took the buses from our school district, but not until THURSDAY. The buses were used to take children to school on WEDNESDAY.

I hope we get them back in useful condition.

This aftermath will affect Louisiana terribly, and not just storm damage.


57 posted on 09/03/2005 1:29:34 PM PDT by trillabodilla (just north of Baton Rouge, Louisiana)
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To: joinedafterattack

Our President saved lives.

mayfield tried to save lives.

And Blanco and Nagin were incompetant! MSM, REPORT THE DAMN TRUTH!


58 posted on 09/03/2005 1:32:47 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Ah, how sweet)
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To: Deo volente

Cars on Saturday clog Interstate 10, the main route out of New Orleans.
Not everyone has a means to evacuate the city though and, according to The Associated Press, at least 100,000 people may have to ride out the storm in town.
Mayor Nagin has said the Superdome might be used as a shelter for people unable to leave.

9:16 PM EDT on August 27, 2005
New Orleans finally got serious and ordered an evacuation, but far too late. There is no way everyone will be able to get out of the city in time, and they may be forced to take shelter in the Superdome, which is above sea level. If Katrina makes a direct hit on New Orleans as a Category 4 hurricane, the levees protecting the city will be breached, and New Orleans, which is 6 - 10 feet below sea level, will fill with water. On top of this 6 feet of water will come a 15 foot storm surge, and on top of that will be 20 foot waves, so the potential for high loss of life is great. Given the current track and intensity forecast, I'd put the odds of this at about 20%.
SOURCE

*Ponchratrain Bridge out of NO was never opened to oneway out only traffic. Last I saw, it was a traffic jam that people walked away from rather than sit there during the storm.

59 posted on 09/03/2005 1:37:39 PM PDT by exhaustedmomma (Calling illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest)
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To: Echo Talon
Can this guy be removed from power, and have someone appointed ?

What power? The city is going to be a ghost town in a matter of days. It will be years before it's inhabitable again.

The reason Bush agreed to 100% financing instead of the usual 75% to 25% funding is because with that meager 25%, it allowed the city to be in charge of letting contracts.

60 posted on 09/03/2005 1:38:19 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Global Dumbing far more serious threat than Global Warming)
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