Skip to comments.National Hurricane Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out..."
Posted on 09/03/2005 12:14:14 PM PDT by joinedafterattack
MAYOR CRITICIZED EVEN BEFORE LEVY BREAK. National Hurricane Center Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out of New Orleans." "The criticisms of Nagin came from above as well. Numerous officials urged him to evacuate the city, but he worried about the legality of ordering people out when New Orleans has few safe hurricane shelters. Also, National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield in Miami called Nagin at home Saturday night and told him: Get people out of New Orleans.
''I could never sleep if I felt like I didn't do everything that I could to impress upon people the gravity of the situation,'' Mayfield said. ``New Orleans is never going to be the same.''
When a grim Nagin issued the mandatory evacuation order Sunday, he said: ``We are facing a storm that most of us have feared . . . God bless us.''
(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...
Backhoe - what is the one keyword I should look for in the list to make sure this gets added to your archived list?
I think it's all right here, the complete plan as a Word file, and supplements as .pdf's.
I'm on a dialup so will get the complete one sometime tonight. It's 4.7 megs.
I was never so proud of FNC as when I watched Greta reporting from Houston. Bottom line. She said she was so moved by the outpouring of care and concern that she wished she could say she was from Texas.
Even smarmy Colmes stuck to ways to help and avoided talk of politics.
O'R, not my favorite stuck to trying to rescue people; save lives.
Geraldo and Smith ought to be fired immediately.
"Oh, wait, we did do something, I seem to vaguely recall something, having to do with all that. Now just what was that..Oh, yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaa.
Oooops. My Bad." - Mayor Nagin.
From the www.lsu.edu web-site (dated summer 2005):
"A second Hurricane Pam Exercise is planned for this summer," said van Heerden. "Agencies will be able to expand on aspects of response and recovery that were not explored before."
I guess its probably just me as a retrospective 20/20 hindsight - Monday morning quarterbacking armchair general that LA got sprung on them a double-secret super-dooper Hurricane Pam excercise that nobody knew was coming, left them absolutely flat-footed, and absolutely were left out in the cold due to George Bush's heartless capriciousness.
However, based on the results and outcome of this excercise, whatever these people had previously explored wasn't of any practical value whatsoever (that and two nickles would get you a dime).
I'm sure that's just me. But I guess that probably in great part is a result of not being a raving nutjob moonbat rabidly frothing at the maw, so I don't know what to tell you and all that.
I'm no fan of the mayor. In fact, he's a disgrace.
But lest anyone has forgotten, the FIRST official hurricane WARNING wasn't even issued until late Saturday evening, August 27. Earlier in the day, there were hurricane watches issued, but by Saturday evening it was becoming apparent that New Orleans would probably be facing a direct hit from a Cat 4 or 5 storm.
Heck, on Thursday the 25th, Katrina was only a Category 1 hurricane that was moving west out the Florida Keys. It did not turn north and grow larger until later. No one could have predicted on Thursday where the hurricane would go.
HURRICANE KATRINA ADVISORY NUMBER 19
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
10 PM CDT SAT AUG 27 2005
...DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA THREATENS THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF
COAST...A HURRICANE WARNING ISSUED...
AT 10 PM CDT...0300Z...A HURRICANE WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST FROM MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA EASTWARD TO THE ALABAMA/FLORIDA BORDER...INCLUDING THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN. A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS. PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION.
They took the buses from our school district, but not until THURSDAY. The buses were used to take children to school on WEDNESDAY.
I hope we get them back in useful condition.
This aftermath will affect Louisiana terribly, and not just storm damage.
Our President saved lives.
mayfield tried to save lives.
And Blanco and Nagin were incompetant! MSM, REPORT THE DAMN TRUTH!
9:16 PM EDT on August 27, 2005
New Orleans finally got serious and ordered an evacuation, but far too late. There is no way everyone will be able to get out of the city in time, and they may be forced to take shelter in the Superdome, which is above sea level. If Katrina makes a direct hit on New Orleans as a Category 4 hurricane, the levees protecting the city will be breached, and New Orleans, which is 6 - 10 feet below sea level, will fill with water. On top of this 6 feet of water will come a 15 foot storm surge, and on top of that will be 20 foot waves, so the potential for high loss of life is great. Given the current track and intensity forecast, I'd put the odds of this at about 20%.
*Ponchratrain Bridge out of NO was never opened to oneway out only traffic. Last I saw, it was a traffic jam that people walked away from rather than sit there during the storm.
What power? The city is going to be a ghost town in a matter of days. It will be years before it's inhabitable again.
The reason Bush agreed to 100% financing instead of the usual 75% to 25% funding is because with that meager 25%, it allowed the city to be in charge of letting contracts.
On Saturday morning, I was worried that IT was going to kill tens of thousands, maybe tens of tens of thousands, and wipe out NO totally. I was making post after post about using military and other assets to get them out, now. On Sunday morning, I was in a veritable state of panic that goetterdamerung was at hand (cat 5, headed head on into NO), with still not real substantive reaction. And then the hand of God as it were, shot a breath of dry wind into the storm, weakening the monster and diverting it, and while NO is largely destroyed, and most everything under sea level will have to be bulldozed, the worst case scenario was averted - this time. "God" has warned us. We had better take heed. So says this near atheist.
just think that guy(Nagin) needs to go away. Seems like he's making things worse.
Thank you! I was looking in the wrong place!
That's not correct, Deo.
The Hurricane Weather service man, and others, called the Mayor, at home, and urged him to order an evacuation.
Of course any General knows that even the best of plans doesn't survive the first shot. But that's why there are contingencies.
I just posted a link of this thread to this thread; forgot which thread I was on. LOL
2 DAYS LATE !
This guy's an idiot.
Can he be removed?
I think he already has and is only a figure-head. NORTHCOM is in charge, and now you're seeing action.
In any disaster, the local government is the first-line response team. Clearly, NO's mayor failed miserably at that duty. He attempted to place blame, but I think in the long-term he'll be held to account for his failures.
I love New Orleans. If this man's idiocy has destroyed it, he should be flogged in Jackson Square.
That's an interesting picture.
Let's count the big yellow schoole busses.
I think people have to realize just WHAT a mayor is responsible for before they take the job just for cushy perks. Like flight attendants: they are not just coffee servers. They are trained to deal with terrorists, and they have to empty a full plane of people from every corner of the world in two minutes' flat. A mayor is literally responsible for all the people and property in his domain. The buck stops with him.
Some enterprising Freeper should make a Guiliani vs. Nagin poster. One picture (two in this case) is worth a thousand words.
Structures cannot be saved from nature, only humans. Granted, the levees over many years could have been built up to corps of engineer standards (as it is along the river), at the cost of many billions, which would have prevented flooding this time, but nothing will save the structures from a head on Cat 5. Nothing.
Are these links now broken?
What good would a mandatory evac do, without transport out?
Had the bus evacuation begun how many might have looked at a yellow caravan led by a patrol car with lights flashing and the message being put forth on the loudspeakers and thought "Hey, maybe there's something to this. Let's go"? A visible sign that the authorities considered this a serious situation could well have swayed many to board.
I lived in the Netherlands for a brief time, so I don't really accept that. The Dutch take water management very seriously, and as such, have had great success in preventing this kind of disaster. I certainly believe the Army Corps of Engineers, drawing on the Dutch experience, can build structures to at least minimise the impact of a Cat 5.
Remember, the Army Corps of Engineers built the Panama Canal. It's time for them to reach into that tradition and astound the world again.
The only question is would has Al ever done 110 MPH before ?
The Dutch are very orderly and competent, the Big Easy is anything but, but Holland does not get Cat 5 hurricanes. That is why you go south to swim in salt water.
Good, seems like if he spent more time coordinating and less time blaming and criticizing the people would have been better served.
Steve Harrigan just interviewed a 65-year old man who is sitting on the overpass, who said "They've got idiots running this city."
When Harrigan repeated his words he misquoted him by saying "They got idiots running this thing."
There should be a congressional investigation of where the FEMA and Homeland Security funds given to New Orleans went. Just telling people to hike to the Superdome, with no water, food or cots inside, was NOT an emergency preparedness plan. Someone got the money and we need to find out who.
Sorry. I need to correct your math.
00 (number of buses used to pick up the poor and infirm)
x0 (sent in all of these exit routes out of the city)
There. You needed to multiply. I hope you are not offended by my correction.
I was thinking more along the lines of replacing the Governor and the mayor.
5 AM EDT SAT AUG 27 2005
...KATRINA BECOMES A MAJOR HURRICANE WITH 115 MPH WINDS...
A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM
WEST OF THE SEVEN MILE BRIDGE WESTWARD TO KEY WEST INCLUDING THE
.... OR ABOUT 435 MILES SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUTH OF
THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER AND ABOUT 165 MILES WEST OF KEY WEST FLORIDA. KATRINA IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 7 MPH... 11 KM/HR. A GRADUAL TURN TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
10 AM CDT SAT AUG 27 2005
...CATEGORY THREE KATRINA MOVING WESTWARD IN THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF MEXICO...EXPECTED TO TURN WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AND STRENGTHEN...
...A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR THE SOUTHEASTERN COAST OF LOUISIANA EAST OF MORGAN CITY TO THE MOUTH OF
THE PEARL RIVER...INCLUDING METROPOLITAN NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE PONCHARTRAIN. A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.
A HURRICANE WATCH WILL LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR OTHER PORTIONS OF THE NORTHERN GULF COAST LATER TODAY OR TONIGHT. INTERESTS IN THIS AREA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF KATRINA.
4 PM CDT SAT AUG 27 2005
...KATRINA RE-ORGANIZING OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN GULF OF MEXICO...
AT 4 PM CDT...2100Z...THE HURRICANE WATCH IS EXTENDED WESTWARD TO INTRACOASTAL CITY LOUISIANA AND EASTWARD TO THE FLORIDA-ALABAMA BORDER. A HURRICANE WATCH IS NOW IN EFFECT ALONG THE NORTHERN GULF COAST FROM INTRACOASTAL CITY TO THE ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER.
A HURRICANE WARNING WILL LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE NORTHERN GULF COAST LATER TONIGHT OR SUNDAY. INTERESTS IN THIS AREA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF KATRINA.
7 PM CDT SAT AUG 27 2005
...DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA BEGINS TO MOVE TOWARD THE
A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT ALONG THE NORTHERN GULF COAST FROM INTRACOASTAL CITY TO THE ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER.
A HURRICANE WARNING WILL LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE NORTHERN GULF COAST LATER TONIGHT. INTERESTS IN THIS AREA SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF KATRINA.
10 PM CDT SAT AUG 27 2005
...DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA THREATENS THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST...A HURRICANE WARNING ISSUED...
AT 10 PM CDT...0300Z...A HURRICANE WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THE NORTH CENTRAL GULF COAST FROM MORGAN CITY LOUISIANA EASTWARD TO THE ALABAMA/FLORIDA BORDER...INCLUDING THE CITY OF NEW ORLEANS AND LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN. A HURRICANE WARNING MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION
More proof of Naggin's (my spelling) incompetence!!!!
We heard Harrigan's word twist, too. Wonder why he felt he had to misquote the man????
New Orleans school buses:
New Orleans public transit buses:
And all this time, Nagin thought it was so he could be the main mucketymuck at Mardi Gras. Not sure what Blanco thought she'd do.
Thank you! Good to see my memory isn't totally on the fritz!
Peter Principle too:
Promoted by the electorate to a position he was incapable of holding, plus probably 'visiting the bong' last weekend.
That's OK; there's no one left for the time being to re-elect him to another term.
Won't see them as the traffic jam grows across both lanes... or over the crammed-jammed Ponchratrain Bridge traffic. How was that traffic on those highways when and after Mayor Nero flew his family out on that helicopter? Did the Ponchratrain Bridge ever get opened up for out only traffic????
Come on over Nagin needs you to defend him over here too.
You would not want to publish your friend's email by a mistake, would you ?