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AP Warned of New Orleans Disaster
NewsMax ^ | 9/3/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 09/03/2005 12:34:27 PM PDT by wagglebee

Just last year the Associated Press predicted all of the failures that have became part of the Katrina tragedy - but the story was about another hurricane, Hurricane Ivan.

When Ivan aimed its fury at the Big Easy, the AP detailed what could happen if the hurricane slammed into New Orleans.

In the case of Ivan, serious problems were caused by a lack of planning for a cataclysmic storm, yet with Katrina on the horizon, the lessons of Ivan were all but forgotten.

A feckless state governor and New Orleans' mayor repeated the same mistakes they made with Ivan, and hundreds of thousands of largely poor people were forced to endure conditions that one associates with the Third World - not the richest nation on the planet.

The disaster in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will come as no surprise to those who recall a September 19, 2004 Associated Press report.

Wrote the AP: "Those who had the money to flee Hurricane Ivan ran into hours-long traffic jams. Those too poor to leave the city had to find their own shelter - a policy that was eventually reversed, but only a few hours before the deadly storm struck land."

Eventually, tens of thousands of New Orleanans were directed to the Superdome - where no food, water or living facilities were provided for the massive number of refugees expected to remain there for at least several days. Fortunately few arrived.

Noted the AP then: "New Orleans dodged the knockout punch many feared from the hurricane, but the storm exposed what some say are significant flaws in the Big Easy's civil disaster plans."

Noting that much of the city lies below sea level, only kept dry by a system of pumps and levees, the AP recalled that as Hurricane Ivan approached the Gulf coast from the Gulf of Mexico, the city - warned by forecasters that a direct hit could send torrents of Mississippi River backwash over the city's levees, creating a 20-foot-deep cesspool of human and industrial waste - urged more than a million people to flee the wrath of the oncoming storm.

But nobody told them how to flee Ivan.

As happened before Katrina struck, residents who had cars took to the highways while the AP reported others wondered what to do.

"'They say evacuate, but they don't say how I'm supposed to do that,' Latonya Hill, 57, said at the time. 'If I can't walk it or get there on the bus, I don't go. I don't got a car. My daughter don't either.'

"'If the government asks people to evacuate, the government has some responsibility to provide an option for those people who can't evacuate and are at the whim of Mother Nature,'" Joe Cook of the New Orleans ACLU told the AP.

In the case of Katrina, there was huge fleet of school buses the mayor could have dispatched to aid in evacuating people unable to leave on their own. Instead, the buses sat in parking lots that later flooded, making them unusable when tens of thousands were stranded in the flooded city.

Dealing with safeguarding the city's population had always been a problem, the AP recalled, adding that the situation was worse at the time of Ivan since the Red Cross had stopped providing shelters in New Orleans for hurricanes rated above Category 2. Stronger hurricanes were deemed too dangerous, and Ivan was a much more powerful Category 4.

In the case of Ivan, city officials first said they would provide no shelter, then just as they later did with Katrina, they agreed that the state-owned Louisiana Superdome would open to those with special medical needs. Only Wednesday afternoon - with Ivan just hours away - did the city open the 20-story-high domed stadium to the public.

Mayor Ray Nagin's spokeswoman, Tanzie Jones, insisted that there was no reluctance at City Hall to open the Superdome as Ivan approached, but said the evacuation was the top priority.

"Our main focus is to get the people out of the city," she told the AP.

"We did the compassionate thing by opening the shelter," Nagin said. "We wanted to make sure we didn't have a repeat performance of what happened before. We didn't want to see people cooped up in the Superdome for days."

Noted the AP story: "When another dangerous hurricane, Georges, appeared headed for the city in 1998, the Superdome was opened as a shelter and an estimated 14,000 people poured in." But just as happened after Katrina, the AP reported there were problems, including theft and vandalism.

With Ivan approaching, far fewer took refuge from the storm - an estimated 1,100 - at the Superdome, and there was far greater security: 300 National Guardsmen.

Wrote the AP of the Ivan debacle: "The main safety measure - getting people out of town - raised its own problems. More than 1 million people tried to leave the city and surrounding suburbs on Tuesday, creating a traffic jam as bad as or worse than the evacuation that followed Georges. In the afternoon, state police took action, reversing inbound lanes on southeastern Louisiana interstates to provide more escape routes. Bottlenecks persisted, however.

"Col. Henry Whitehorn, head of state police, said he believed his agency acted appropriately, but also acknowledged he never expected a seven-hour-long crawl for the 60 miles between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

"It was so bad that some broadcasters were telling people to stay home, that they had missed their window of opportunity to leave. They claimed the interstates had turned into parking lots where trapped people could die in a storm surge.

"Gov. Kathleen Blanco and [Mayor] Nagin both acknowledged the need to improve traffic flow and said state police should consider reversing highway lanes earlier. They also promised meetings with governments in neighboring localities and state transportation officials to improve evacuation plans.

But it appears that nothing had been changed by the time Katrina made its appearance in the Gulf.

After Ivan, Blanco and other state officials boasted that, while irritating, the clogged escape routes got people out of the most vulnerable areas.

"We were able to get people out," state Commissioner of Administration Jerry Luke LeBlanc said. "It was successful. There was frustration, yes. But we got people out of harm's way."

After Katrina struck, however, escape routes out of the city were clogged with bumper-to-bumper traffic, leaving some motorists on the road when the Hurricane arrived.

A new photo from AP shows a huge fleet of school buses lined up in a now flooded parking lot - what appears to be enough transportation sufficient to have evacuated many of those stranded in the city and left to endure unimaginable conditions - transportation that the mayor failed to use when there was still time to use it.

The lessons of Ivan were never learned, and the people of New Orleans paid the price.


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A feckless state governor and New Orleans' mayor repeated the same mistakes they made with Ivan, and hundreds of thousands of largely poor people were forced to endure conditions that one associates with the Third World - not the richest nation on the planet.

If Nagin and Blanco had an ounce of pride, they would resign in disgrace.

1 posted on 09/03/2005 12:34:27 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
A feckless state governor and New Orleans' mayor repeated the same mistakes they made with Ivan, and hundreds of thousands of largely poor people were forced to endure conditions that one associates with the Third World - not the richest nation on the planet.

Double hanging would be fitting.

2 posted on 09/03/2005 12:36:42 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


3 posted on 09/03/2005 12:37:20 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: wagglebee
Eventually, tens of thousands of New Orleanans were directed to the Superdome - where no food, water or living facilities were provided for the massive number of refugees expected to remain there for at least several days. Fortunately few arrived.

Incredible ineptness at the local level.

4 posted on 09/03/2005 12:38:07 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ncountylee

If military commanders demonstrated this degree of incompetence, they would be relieved of command and court martialed for dereliction of duty.


5 posted on 09/03/2005 12:38:32 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Seppeku.
The only honorable out for them, but they have no honor.


6 posted on 09/03/2005 12:39:03 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: wagglebee
"If Nagin and Blanco had an ounce of pride, they would resign in disgrace."

But they don't, so they'll simply blame President Bush for their incompetence.

7 posted on 09/03/2005 12:42:09 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: wagglebee

Democrats: "You F'd Up, You Trusted Us."


8 posted on 09/03/2005 12:42:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Darksheare
...but they have no honor.


What do you expect? They are Democrats.
9 posted on 09/03/2005 12:47:25 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!)
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To: rottndog

True.
It is a bit of a stretch to expect honor form the left.


10 posted on 09/03/2005 12:49:44 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: wagglebee
Just last year the Associated Press predicted all of the failures that have became part of the Katrina tragedy -

Forget about the Associated Press. They have no particular credibility in such matters.

What matters is that scientists at LSU and the Federal Government have been predicting this nightmare scenario for years.

The levies surrounding the New Orleans flood basin was not designed to cope with anything above a Category 3.

Katrina was predicted as a Category 5 and hit as a Category 4.

Hypothetical Hurricane Pam..........a hypothetical, slow moving, Class 3 storm used as a worst-case scenario for New Orleans

Hurricane Pam Exercise Concludes Release Date: July 23, 2004

Note that in the 2004 Hurricane Pam Excersise:

"....in the New Orleans area. More than one million residents evacuated and Hurricane Pam destroyed 500,000-600,000 buildings."

Everybody got that?

The "Hurricane Pam" scenario called for the evacuation of New Orleans BEFORE New Orleans was destroyed and FEMA's job was to then come in and clean up the mess.

The Democrat Governor of Louisianna and the Democrat Mayor of New Orleans did NOTHING to evacuate New Orleans' low-income population although hundreds of city-owned buses remained neatly parked in city-owned parking lots.


11 posted on 09/03/2005 12:50:59 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: wagglebee

Resign? But their PR firms, the US media, have told the WORLD that THEY WERE THE VICTIMS OF GEORGE W BUSH.

He was sunbathing, playing guitar, and golfing while black people died, don't ya know.

Bastards, I am sick of their slandering of the US and its President.


12 posted on 09/03/2005 12:51:44 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: wagglebee

Set them loose in the Astrodome... and let nature take its course.


13 posted on 09/03/2005 12:53:19 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
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To: wagglebee
If Nagin and Blanco had an ounce of pride, they would resign in disgrace.

So should the Levee Commission. If they had upgraded the levees instead of buying a casino this could have been averted.

14 posted on 09/03/2005 1:00:47 PM PDT by kcordell
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To: Polybius
I am not sure how many hurricanes you have had to evacuate from but I have had to do so at least 15 times with only two actually necessary. The Evacuation for Katrina ran much more smooth than that for Ivan. The few Roads out of town were converted to Contraflow on Saturday afternoon and the mayor STRONGLY suggested that people evacuate on Saturday morning.

Even with an evacuation underway by Noon on Saturday and all lanes on all roads open traffic was bumper to bumper from Saturday afternoon until Monday morning. The Buses would have only complicated matters and even during a "Mandatory Evacuation" people are still Free to Stay in their homes.
15 posted on 09/03/2005 1:04:43 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: Polybius

"...did NOTHING to evacuate New Orleans' low-income population..."

That's not true. In their emergency plan they TOLD the people to find a ride with a friend or relative. (Note that NO has an avg. of about 14% that use mass transit - so presumablly many/most of those people don't have cars.

And I would offer a ride to someone, but by the time I load my wife, three kids, dog, cat and supplies in the minivan - we're stopping by to pickup grandma on the way out.


16 posted on 09/03/2005 1:06:14 PM PDT by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: kcordell
Being from Georgia you may not understand the levees are not build or maintained on the local level, they are a responsibility of the Army Corps of Engineers.
17 posted on 09/03/2005 1:07:03 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: wagglebee
It's clear the mayor of New Orleans was--and is--an incompetent boob. Or perhaps he's just a corrupt politician. We'll find out soon enough.

New Yorkers should thank God Rudy Guiliani was the mayor of their city at the time of the 9/11 attacks and not his predecessor, David Dinkins, who was both an incompetent boob and a corrupt politician.

I wonder if the New Orleans mayor is a Dinkins protege.

18 posted on 09/03/2005 1:08:33 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: wagglebee

Nothing gets done; because that's not the politicians agenda. They are way to busy living the high life off of our backs.


19 posted on 09/03/2005 1:09:23 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: wagglebee
"... Eventually, tens of thousands of New Orleanans were directed to the Superdome ... "

And they went!

20 posted on 09/03/2005 1:12:03 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: geopyg
That's not true. In their emergency plan they TOLD the people to find a ride with a friend or relative. (Note that NO has an avg. of about 14% that use mass transit - so presumably many/most of those people don't have cars.

Thank you for making one of the more rational and honest statements on this thread.

This entire summer the City not only send DVD's to citizens telling them how to evacuate but also bought commercial time to inform the people that the City did not have the resources to evacuate the people and everyone would be on their own.

The people were warned but were left with two options:

Leave their homes and have their homes looted with 100% certainty.

Ride out the storm and protect their belongings.

21 posted on 09/03/2005 1:12:09 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: blake6900

If you were the mayor what would you do?


22 posted on 09/03/2005 1:13:24 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: wagglebee
I work with a manager who thinks he's there to have all the trappings of his position but does nothing good for the company. It's all about him.

This governor and mayor remind me of him.

23 posted on 09/03/2005 1:17:12 PM PDT by Pharmboy (There is no positive correlation between the ability to write, act, sing or dance and being right)
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To: IronMan04
Being from Georgia you may not understand the levees are not build or maintained on the local level, they are a responsibility of the Army Corps of Engineers.

OK, since you're an expert on these things perhaps you can why there is a New Orleans Levee Commission.

The Buses would have only complicated matters and even during a "Mandatory Evacuation" people are still Free to Stay in their homes.

This is an absurd statement. Particularly in light of the fact that Mayor of NO didn't issue a mandatory evacuation until the president urged him and the governor to do so last Sunday. Also, it took them damn near forever to even get all the lanes of traffic headed out of town. You saw the video. An eight lane free with only four in use. Something as simple as that should have been a basic response yet it was slow in coming.

24 posted on 09/03/2005 1:17:53 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: IronMan04

Actually I was being sarcastic. Telling people to "find a ride" doesn't seem like much of a plan with such a large number of people using/dependent on mass transit.

On the other hand, along with the school buses we see submerged in the water, their are lots and lots of cars that are shown submerged too. Even if half of them are junkers - it would seem that the evac orders were not heeded.


25 posted on 09/03/2005 1:18:02 PM PDT by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: wagglebee

26 posted on 09/03/2005 1:20:20 PM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs)
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To: wagglebee

The total ineptness is stunning. As late as Saturday night, early Sunday morning we were discussing here on FR that Nagin was going to talk to the city attorney's to find out if they could 'order' and evacuation. They didn't know if they could or couldn't? The school busses didn't flood until Tuesday...so they could have been used to evacuate on Saturday and Sunday (prior to Katrina). And lastly, on Sunday they showed the traffic on I-10 leaving NO. The inbound lanes were completely empty...why didn't they open both sides to expedite the evacuation? It appears that poor planning skills is a requisite for local govt. positions.


27 posted on 09/03/2005 1:21:00 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I used to take the highroad, but the altitude gave me nose bleeds....)
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To: geopyg

I liked Bill O'Reilly's "moral of the story". He was talking about the "failures" at so many levels - and the moral was "If you depend on the government, you're probably going to be dissapointed".


28 posted on 09/03/2005 1:21:13 PM PDT by geopyg ("It's not that liberals don't know much, it's just that what they know just ain't so." (~ R. Reagan))
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To: kcordell

I heard the Levee Commision had their own plane... life WAS good!


29 posted on 09/03/2005 1:21:50 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
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To: IronMan04
Being from Georgia you may not understand the levees are not build or maintained on the local level, they are a responsibility of the Army Corps of Engineers.

OK, since you're an expert on these things perhaps you can why there is a New Orleans Levee Commission.

The Buses would have only complicated matters and even during a "Mandatory Evacuation" people are still Free to Stay in their homes.

This is an absurd statement. Particularly in light of the fact that Mayor of NO didn't issue a mandatory evacuation until the president urged him and the governor to do so last Sunday. They knew there was a great possibility the storm was going to hit them on Friday night. Hell, even the president and declared the area a national emergency before the mayor ordered the city evacuated. Also, it took them damn near forever to even get all the lanes of traffic headed out of town. You saw the video. An eight lane freeway with only four in use. Something as simple as that should have been a basic response yet it was slow in coming.

And you say, "the buses would have only complicated matters...". God I hope you realize how stupid that sounds.

30 posted on 09/03/2005 1:22:57 PM PDT by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: IronMan04
The Buses would have only complicated matters

Matters are all peachy keen now though right?

Hindsight is what it is.
Leadership is what it is.
NOLA's leaders had neither,and this article shows it.

31 posted on 09/03/2005 1:29:45 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: wagglebee

I don't know how Newsmax would stay in business without Free Republic to provide the base for most of their articles.


32 posted on 09/03/2005 1:29:47 PM PDT by Victoria
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To: blake6900
Being from New Orleans I have never heard of a "New Orleans Levee Commission" and neither has Google. However, if you find evidence that a "New Orleans Levee Commission" does exist please point me and the Google Search engine to that information.

However, if you are really interested in the New Orleans Levee system you may want to consult to following link"

http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/whoweare/index.asp

Notice how the above web address has a .mil domain name. I wonder how the mayor of New Orleans and his "New Orleans Levee Commission" was able to obtain that address?

33 posted on 09/03/2005 1:29:48 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: Rightly Biased

As Mayor what would have done?


34 posted on 09/03/2005 1:32:32 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: blake6900
The Contra Flow lanes were up and running by 4:00 Saturday afternoon. Furthermore, a State of Emergency can only be declared by the president at the request of a local official.
35 posted on 09/03/2005 1:35:12 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: wagglebee

FauX News is treating nagin like he's the Second Coming - only mentioning him positively (bitching about slow aid, meeting with Bush).

Anyone think FauX will ever ask him about the buses, or his actions during Ivan?


36 posted on 09/03/2005 1:35:40 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: blake6900
The people would not leave their homes. Do yo propose the mayor of New Orleans go door to door with a gun and force people out of their houses?

I was there and I got out with out a "Mandatory Evacuation" order.

37 posted on 09/03/2005 1:37:40 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
I'm not mayor,nor do I play one on TV if I did play a mayor on TV the libs would think I was mayor. That is the limit of their mentality.

What I would not have done was ignore what had happened in my city During the last two close Hurricanes.
I said on one of the live threads What is that idiot thinking sending people to the super dome? They wont have utilities in there for days and it may be longer than that.

Hindsight is what it is.
Leadership is what it is.
NOLA's leaders had neither
38 posted on 09/03/2005 1:40:33 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: wagglebee

bttt


39 posted on 09/03/2005 1:42:10 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Rightly Biased
The Superdome while turning into a cesspool saved people's lives.
40 posted on 09/03/2005 1:42:23 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04

Seeing what happened before and acting on it might have saved a lot more.

I do know that leadership isn't easy but that's what leadership is.


41 posted on 09/03/2005 1:44:04 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: Polybius

about 75 buses in that pic alone. How many does your average bus hold? 48-60 I think. 75x48=3600 Thats just one group of buses. How many dead? 10,000+ ?? Amazing how everything was overlooked when orders to evacuate came in.


42 posted on 09/03/2005 1:46:49 PM PDT by Cougar66 (The only liberal movement is what's in their diapers. .)
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To: Victoria; Carl/NewsMax
I don't know how Newsmax would stay in business without Free Republic to provide the base for most of their articles.

Even though the bulk of what is on NewsMax is gleaned from the various newswires, they still have a lot of stories that you simply won't see anywhere else. Even most of the AP stories they carry are ignored by the lamestream media.

43 posted on 09/03/2005 1:47:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Cougar66

I didnt even have the whole pic on the screen so its even more. Geez


44 posted on 09/03/2005 1:48:39 PM PDT by Cougar66 (The only liberal movement is what's in their diapers. .)
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To: Rightly Biased
They did everything except go door to door with a gun forcing people out of their homes. If they would have parked the school buses on the corner to take people out of town very few people would have gotten on.

What would you have done if your choice was to leave your house and with 100% certainty have it looted by the gang banger thugs next door or take you chances like you had in the 15 or 20 previous evacuations?

45 posted on 09/03/2005 1:49:44 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: Cougar66

It would have been very difficult to get those people to leave their houses.


46 posted on 09/03/2005 1:52:49 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04

Well having a prespective that isn't what your's is obviously. I would have done what ever it took to get my family out of there.

Stuff is Stuff
Souls are eternal.

We have created a handout society and it shows.


47 posted on 09/03/2005 1:54:14 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: IronMan04

The mayor did not order the evacuation on Saturday. He did on Sunday only after a call from the President.


48 posted on 09/03/2005 1:56:06 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches, hard to get rid of.>)
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To: Rightly Biased
BTW-The New Orleans area evacuated 900,000 to a 1,000,000 people in less than 48 hours.

Can you please provide evidence to me where another American City with only two viable roads heading out was as successful.

I am willing to bet you cannot find one example.

49 posted on 09/03/2005 1:56:31 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: golfisnr1

On Saturday morning as I ate breakfast the Mayor Strongly Advised people to Evacuate.


50 posted on 09/03/2005 1:58:22 PM PDT by IronMan04
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