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Paul Williams details 'American Hiroshima'
worldnetdaily ^ | September 3, 2005 | Ryan Mauro

Posted on 09/04/2005 3:05:03 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

Paul Williams details 'American Hiroshima'

Al-Qaida plotting nuclear attack with weapons already in U.S.


Posted: September 3, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Paul L. Williams is a former consultant to the FBI on organized crime and terrorism. Since then, he has become an award-winning investigative journalist and written several books. In his new book, "The Al Qaeda Connection," he claims Osama bin Laden has obtained nuclear weapons and smuggled them into the U.S. through Mexico for use in a plot known as "American Hiroshima."

By Ryan Mauro
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Ryan Mauro: Much has been written about the "American Hiroshima" report. How did you first learn about the plot?

Paul Williams: I have a unique background. I hold a Ph.D. in philosophy from Drew University and I am a seasoned and award-winning journalist. I came upon the story of bin Laden's acquisition of tactical nuclear weapons while working as the editor/publisher of The Metro and a consultant on organized crime for the FBI. Several members of the Chechen Mafia, who had emigrated to Little Odessa, muscled into the operations of the Bufalino Crime Family in Northeast Pennsylvania by selling choice No. Four heroin, guns of every description, and stolen high-end cars from New York and New Jersey .

I learned that they came to the U.S. after Makhmud and his associates sold tactical nukes and nuclear materials to Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri. I began to search for evidence of this sale and came upon stories in The Jerusalem Report and The London Times and Arab stories in Muslim magazines, Al-Watan al-Arabi and al-Majallah This led me to other sources and reports of further sales of nukes from the former Soviet Union to al-Qaida not only by the Chechens but also the Russian Mafia and black-marker arms-dealers, including Semion Mogilevic from the Ukraine . Such information can be obtained by any journalist with a telephone, a computer, and a library card.

I further learned that the sales to al-Qaida have been verified by a host of intelligence officials and weapons inspectors, including Hans Blix, former director general of the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency. The sales were even verified by bin Laden and al-Zawahiri in their pronouncements that they have obtained a small arsenal of nuclear weapons from black-market sources. My research took me farther into dealings between bin Laden and Dr. A. Q. Khan and the fact that over 20 nuclear scientists and technicians from Khan's research laboratories in Pakistan worked with al-Qaida on a regular basis to maintain and modify the weapons that had been purchased and to develop other weapons from the highly enriched uranium and plutonium that bin Laden hade purchased from Uzbekistan and other countries.

Dr. Mahmood and Dr. Majeed, two of the leading officials at the Khan facility, confessed to CIA and ISI interrogators that they participated in al-Qaida's nuclear projects. The fact that the Chechens possessed the nukes should be no surprise to any reporter or investigator. In 1995, the Chechens under Com. Shamail Basayev planted a radiological bomb in Izmailovsky Park near Moscow . The bomb was made of cesium-137, and, if detonated, would have killed thousands of Russians. This incident represented the first case of a nuke to be deployed as a weapon of terror. Later that same year, Dzokhar Dudayev, the leader of the Chechen Mafia, offered to sell his collection of nuclear weapons to the United States in exchange for U. S. recognition of Chechnya 's independence. The Clinton Administration declined and so the weapons were sold to al-Qaida.

More importantly, there is empirical proof that al-Qaida possesses nukes. In 2000, British agents posed as recruits from a London mosque to infiltrate al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan . In Herat , they saw nuclear weapons being manufactured. Similarly, an al-Qaeda operative was arrested at the checkpoint at Ramallah with a weapon strapped to his back. At first, Israeli intelligence thought that the weapon was a radiological bomb but later confirmed, as reported by Richard Sales of UPI and other reputable journalists, that it was a tactical nuke. There are more examples, including the canister of uranium 238 that U.S. military officials discovered in a lead canister in Kandahar at the outset of Operation Enduring Freedom.

RM: How come other terrorism experts, Steven Emerson for example, haven't warned us about the plot? In other words, why does it seem so out of the mainstream?

PW: Few military and intelligence officials question bin Laden's ability to launch his plan for the American Hiroshima. Gen. Eugene Habiger, former Executive Chief of Strategic Weapons at the Pentagon, said that an event of nuclear mega-terrorism on U. S. soil is "not a matter of if, but when." During the 2004 presidential debates, President Bush and Sen. Kerry said that nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists represent the greatest danger facing the American people, while Vice President Cheney, on the campaign trail, warned that a nuclear attack by al-Qaida appears imminent. Before leaving office, Attorney General John Ashcroft and Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge both voiced that belief that al-Qaida's plan to nuke cities throughout the country soon might come to fruition.

From the private sector, Warren Buffet, who establishes odds against cataclysmic events for major insurance companies, concluded that an imminent nuclear nightmare within the United States is "virtually a certainty." From the academic community, Dr. Graham Allison, director of Harvard University 's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, said: "Is nuclear mega-terrorism inevitable? Harvard professors are known for being subtle or ambiguous, but I'll try to the clear. 'Is the worst yet to come?' My answer: Bet on it. Yes." Finally, from the mainstream media, Bill Keller, editor of The New York Times, concluded that the only reason for thinking a nuclear attack won't happen is because "it hasn't happened yet," adding that such reasoning represents "terrible logic." And so, Ryan, the message has been delivered but few are listening.

Emerson's importance as an analyst pales in comparison to that of Michael Scheuer, of the CIA and author of "Imperial Hubris," who was in charge on "the Alec file," the CIA's file on bin Laden. On Nov. 14, 2004 , Scheuer appeared on "60 Minutes" to alert the American people that a nuclear attack by al-Qaida "is pretty close to being inevitable."

RM: In your upcoming book, "The Al-Qaeda Connection," you write that former Russian KGB and Spetsnaz operatives maintain bin Laden's nuclear arsenal. When were they hired and how do we know they are capable of such a monumental task?

PW: Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri began recruiting former Spetsnaz technicians circa 1997. By 1999, a host of such technicians (along with nuclear scientists from China ) were working at al-Qaida laboratories in Afghanistan and Pakistan . By 2000, al-Qaida also secured the help of scientists and technicians from the A. Q. Khan Research Facility in Pakistan , including the assistance of Khan himself.

On Sept. 11, 2001 , when the attack was taking place in America , bin Laden and company were meeting with Dr. Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, former Chairman of Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission, and Dr. Chaudry Abdul Majid, chief technician for the A. Q. Khan Facility, to discuss the maintenance and deployment of al-Qaida's nuclear arsenal. When the CIA confiscated records from Ummah Tameer E-Nau ("Islamic Reconstruction"), Dr. Mahmood's bogus charity in Kabul , they discovered evidence from Mahmood's computer that at least one al-Qaida nuke had been forward deployed to the U.S. from Karachi in a cargo container. After interrogating Mahood and Majid, CIA officials discovered that more than a score of scientists and technicians from the A. Q. Khan Facility worked on a daily basis to develop, upgrade, and maintain the al-Qaida nuclear arsenal. Almost all of these scientists have escaped from Pakistan to avoid arrest.

U.S. officials have been denied permission to interrogate Dr. Khan, even though we know that he provided nuclear technology and designs for atomic bombs not only to Libya , Iran and North Korea, but also Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Sudan, Nigeria, Brazil, Egypt, Malaysia, Indonesia, Algeria, Abu Dhabi and Myanmar. In Myanmar , for example, Dr. Sulieman Asad and Dr. Mohammad Ali Mukhtar are building a 10-megawatt nuclear reactor while still providing help and expertise to the al-Qaida network. It's a hellava situation and the press is not reporting it.

RM: Do you have any information on what the U.S. and its friends are doing to try to stop the plot?

PW: On Oct. 11, 2001 , George Tenet, former CIA director, met with President Bush to inform him that at least two tactical nukes have reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S. This news was substantiated by Pakistan 's ISI, the CIA and the FBI.

In accordance with this discovery, the Bush administration deployed hundreds of new and sophisticated Gamma Ray Neutron Flux Detector sensors to U.S. borders, overseas facilities and "choke points" around Washington, D.C. The administration further assigned Delta Force, the elite special operations detachment unit of the U.S. Army, the task of killing or disabling any or all suspects. Such measures have proved to be ineffective. Richard L. Wagner, senior staff member at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, testified before the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on the Prevention of Nuclear and Biological Attack that the currently installed radiation detection systems are highly limited in their capabilities and, in general, insufficient to the task. To add to the problem of insecurity, the borders remain almost completely porous and less than 10 percent of the freight that arrives at major ports (including New York/New Jersey) is inspected.

RM: Where is the WMD arsenal now that Afghanistan is occupied?

PW: The nuclear weapons were not contained solely in Afghanistan. Al-Qaida laboratories were established in the Balkans, Sudan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and even places like Myanmar. A number of these weapons have been forward deployed to Mexico and the U.S.

My educated guess would be that arsenals have been established in several of the following countries: Pakistan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, Algeria, Indonesia, Malaysia, Abu Dubai, Iran, Syria and Lebanon . The last three in light of the al-Qaida truce and bonding with Hezbollah. Myanmar looms large since very sinister events are taking place there. These events, including the construction of large reactors, have been made possible by fugitive scientists and technicians from the Khan Research Facility .But don't lose sight of the fact that nukes have been forward deployed to al-Qaida cells in Canada, Mexico and the U.S.

RM: Why haven't the weapons been used already? One can't help but think that the best time to use the weapons would have been during the invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq .

PW: The worst time for al-Qaida to use its nuclear weapons would have been during the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq when the U.S. remained on high alert. A defining characteristic of bin Laden is patience. His favorite Islamic verse is as follows: "I will be patient until Patience is outworn by patience." He started plotting the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania when he was in the Sudan in 1993; the attack of the USS Cole was more than two years in the making and eight years passed between the first attack on the World Trade Center and the second. The planned American Hiroshima is enormous in scope. It requires not only development and (in some cases) rebuilding of the weapons along with codification for detonation but also forward deployment, site preparation and precise strategic coordination with scattered cells.

Bin Laden will not allow the attack to take place unless there is certainty of success. His entire resources (including the gains from the poppy fields) have been spent on this operation. After scrutinizing the situation and analyzing the data, Bill Keller, editor of The New York Times , said that the "best reason" for thinking that the nuclear attack by al-Qaida will NOT happen is because "it hasn't happened yet," adding this conclusion represents "terrible logic." I agree with him.

RM: Is there any indication of when Bin Laden intends to use the arsenal?

PW: Bin Laden can't sit on these weapons for years. They require constant maintenance. At any given time, a tactical nuke exudes a temperature in excess of 100 degrees Fahrenheit. This means that they are prone to oxidation and rust. Moreover, the triggers that emit large quantities of neutrons at high speeds decay rapidly and have short half-lives – most would become useless without maintenance in less than four months. The nuclear cores also are subject to decay and over the course of several years would fall below the critical mass threshold. Though the shells that encase the cores are the most durable parts of the weapons, they, too, are subject to contamination. The tritium used to compensate for the required amount of conventional explosives to compress the fissile core within the compact devices is less of an issue since it has a half-life of 12.3 years. Taking all things into consideration, the attack should occur within the very near future. The bombs which bin Laden began building in 1992 are for the American Hiroshima.

RM: Given the heat and radiation given off by the nuke, couldn't it be detected?

PW: Richard L. Wagner, senior staff member at the Los Alamos National Laboratory and one of the founders of the Department of Energy's Nuclear Emergency Search Team, recently told Congress that major breakthroughs in the ability of the U.S. government to locate rogue nukes may be five years away. Wagner, a Ph.D. whose specialty is radiation detection, testified that better technology and more radiation detention devices are needed to stop the nuclear terrorist threat. "Currently installed radiation detection systems, or systems which could be procured in quantity in the next year or two, are quite limited in their capabilities and, in general, are insufficient for the task," he testified. "Substantial research and development is needed to improve detection capabilities."

A nuclear gun bomb that could be fired from a 155 millimeter recoilless rifle could be packed in the small container, stuffed into the truck of a car or van and transported into any major metropolitan city within the U.S. without detection.

That's the fact of the matter. Other weapons could be transported by private plane to any major airport. Less than 25 percent of the freight on private planes is inspected let alone subjected to radiation detection. To complicate matters, the ports of entry (such as the airports) are now controlled by the Albanian Mafia. The Albanians have taken over the operations of the Italian-American crime families and have become, according to the FBI, the leading criminal organization in the U.S. The Albanians, as you know, are Muslims with ties to radical Islam and, through the KLO, al-Qaida.

RM: I have trouble believing that teams required to maintain a nuclear weapon wouldn't be detected here in the U.S.

PW: There isn't just one team but, at least, seven. They are working within mosques and Islamic centers. In the U.S., a federal judge will not provide any FBI or law enforcement agent with a warrant to search a mosque of an Islam center for any reason since such places are listed as "houses of worship."

RM: Seven teams?

PW: At least seven teams, according to information obtained from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other al-Qaida operatives, in at least seven metropolitan areas. These areas have been identified as New York, Miami, Houston, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago and Washington, D.C. The attack will occur simultaneously at the seven sites.

RM: How do you know you can trust what Khalid Sheikh Mohammad said? In the past, he's given us bogus information, some of which led to orange alerts. Some say he and other al-Qaida operatives are waging a disinformation campaign meant to dull our senses.

PW: No, you can't trust Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, but you can trust the information that was obtained from his laptop when he was arrested on March 1, 2003 .

RM: Will Bin Laden use them on the American homeland or also forces overseas and countries that have joined the war on terrorism?

PW: They are not for use in the United Kingdom, Spain, Italy, Iraq or Afghanistan . The declaration of war was issued against the United States and al-Qaida insists that over 4 million Americans must die for the sake of parity. They are intent upon realizing this objective and the doomsday clock by all reckoning is very near midnight .

Ryan Mauro is the author of the upcoming book "Death to America: The Unreported Battle of Iraq" and owner of WorldThreats.com.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedanukes; alqueda; americanhiroshima; jihadinamerica; loosenukes; nuclear; nukes; paulwilliams; suitcase; suitcasenukes; tactical; wmd
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I have a unique background. I hold a Ph.D. in philosophy from Drew University and I am a seasoned and award-winning journalist. And I'm the most humblest guy in the whole world.

The first sentence aside, this is a good article.

1 posted on 09/04/2005 3:05:04 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Enchante; Peach; backhoe; ravingnutter; Alamo-Girl; ScaniaBoy

Remember this?


2 posted on 09/04/2005 3:07:47 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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In 1995, the Chechens under Com. Shamail Basayev planted a radiological bomb in Izmailovsky Park near Moscow . The bomb was made of cesium-137, and, if detonated, would have killed thousands of Russians. This incident represented the first case of a nuke to be deployed as a weapon of terror. Later that same year, Dzokhar Dudayev, the leader of the Chechen Mafia, offered to sell his collection of nuclear weapons to the United States in exchange for U. S. recognition of Chechnya 's independence. The Clinton Administration declined and so the weapons were sold to al-Qaida.

I've never heard this before. Shades of the Sudan blunder?

3 posted on 09/04/2005 3:15:03 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Stock up on supplies of water, canned goods, ammo and essentials, 'cause Homeland Security is a joke and has no plan of action for anything. Thanks to Katrina Bin Laden now knows this country will dither and fumble when a major disaster strikes, then continue to fight over blame rather than get its act together and stand united in the face of horror. Yeah, a very good week for our enemies and a terrible one for 'America', a nation that seems to me hardly exists.


4 posted on 09/04/2005 3:25:05 AM PDT by cambridge (prayers for all)
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To: cambridge

Agreed. I have my potassium iodate pills. Better get some ammo, though.


5 posted on 09/04/2005 3:28:05 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: wagglebee

Hey, just thought I'd ruin your weekend. :)

This is not a fun article to read.


6 posted on 09/04/2005 3:35:07 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt

I'm not sure I believe that. It has been posted on FR that since the fall of the Soviet Union and GHW Bush, the CIA policy was to purchase any black market WMDs, no questions asked. I could be wrong, but that sounds rational.


7 posted on 09/04/2005 3:41:51 AM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer

According to this, they didn't want money, they wanted recognition of an independent nation.

That's a pretty high price.


8 posted on 09/04/2005 3:44:11 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Yes. Good point and my mistake.


9 posted on 09/04/2005 3:46:04 AM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer

Uhh, this is scary.


10 posted on 09/04/2005 3:53:10 AM PDT by Hess28
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To: ovrtaxt

I hope this guy is just trying to sell his book.


11 posted on 09/04/2005 3:55:03 AM PDT by ml1954
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To: Hess28

Yes it is. I may cancel my Las Vegas vacation at the end of this month.


12 posted on 09/04/2005 3:58:29 AM PDT by jammer
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To: jammer
On the Chechen bomb in the Moscow park:The bomb was made of cesium-137, and, if detonated, would have killed thousands of Russians. This incident represented the first case of a nuke to be deployed as a weapon of terror.

According to this article , that was a dirty bomb if it was a bomb at all, not a real nuke. In fact, it makes no mention of explosives, just a canister of Cesium 137.

As for real tactical nukes, it says this:

After the USSR broke apart, then Vice President Aleksandr Rutskoi noted that some tactical nuclear weapons were missing but never said what had happened to them. In September 1993 Moscow News reported that the Chechen republic had paraded SS-20 missiles at a military review in Grozny. The SS-20 is a solid fuel, mobile missile system with a range of 5 to 9,500 kilometers and capable of launching a powerful nuclear charged warhead. All were supposedly destoyed under the INF Treaty. All the missiles of this class have probably been destroyed. However, there were many SS-20 models for crew training. One of the models, allegedly written off, could have gotten into the hands of Chechenya. The Kapustin Yar launching site is situated, like Chechnya, in the North Caucasian military district.

13 posted on 09/04/2005 4:02:54 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: jammer

We have a CIA right? Do they do anything???


14 posted on 09/04/2005 4:03:11 AM PDT by Hess28
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To: Hess28
Apparently, they madea trip to Chechnya in 94-95.

Check this out, from the link;

According to an unattributed account in the book One Point Safe, the Chechen government of Dzhokar Dudayev reportedly warned the US government in the summer of 1994 that it had two tactical nuclear weapons and that they would transfer them to Libya if the United States did not recognize Chechnya's independence. Dudayev reportedly provided sufficiently convincing technical details that the United States (with Russian acquiescence) sent an undercover team to visit Chechnya, where they were to be shown the weapons. After the weapons failed to materialize, however, the team departed. If this account is accurate it clearly indicates US government concern over possible warhead theft, and foreshadowed subsequent reports of a "Chechen bomb."36

One of the most detailed such reports appeared in the extremist newspaper Zavtra in October 1995, which published an interview with an alleged former Chechen intelligence agent who claimed to have purchased two “portable” nuclear weapons in Estonia in 1992.37 This account, and others like it, is not very credible, since the Chechen fighters do not appear to have publicly announced that they had a nuclear weapon, which would seem strange given the extreme methods which were used by both sides during the conflict. Chechen field commander Shamil Basayev did threaten to use radioactive isotopes as a radiological weapon, and even buried a container of cesium-137 in a Moscow park in November 1995 as a demonstration of this capability.38 Basayev and other Chechen commanders also threatened to attack Russian nuclear power plants. While these threats could be regarded as "nuclear terrorism," they did not involve nuclear weapons. In fact, in a July 1995 interview with the Moscow daily Segodnya, Basayev explicitly denied having nuclear weapons.39

15 posted on 09/04/2005 4:14:58 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ml1954

I think he may be a bit prone to overstatement. Nevertheless, what if they get ONE small nuke into a crowded facility?

Just one?


16 posted on 09/04/2005 4:18:31 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: Hess28
We have a CIA right? Do they do anything???

I keep hoping that the CIA is just a cover organization - the public face of American intelligence that exists only for public consumption and that somewhere out there is a real intelligence agency without a name, without an official headquarters, without a public budget and without a bunch of lilly livered bureaucrats screwing up everything they try to do.

I guy can hope can't he?

17 posted on 09/04/2005 4:19:05 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: cambridge
I think if Katrina showed me anything it is that Homeland Security is a joke.Under a large attack they must have no plan at all for survivors.In fact they have no plan at all.
I guess when they said a year after 9/11 tape your windows if attacked(like that would help)..they weren't kidding! Thats the plan.What a joke!
18 posted on 09/04/2005 4:28:07 AM PDT by ricoshea
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To: ovrtaxt
Interesting.....none of the links work.
19 posted on 09/04/2005 4:38:10 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

oOPs, that was my fault. I must have left out a line of code when I posted it.

You can jump over to the original article. They work there.


20 posted on 09/04/2005 4:46:11 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt
I have my potassium iodate pills.

Where do you get those?

21 posted on 09/04/2005 4:49:51 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: ovrtaxt

I didn't remember this, ovrtaxt and just scanned it. What am I missing?


22 posted on 09/04/2005 4:54:31 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

There are companies online who sell them. At least, they did in 2001 when I bought them. They prevent thyroid cancer from radiation overexposure. Apparently, they pack the gland with inert material so that it won't absorb radiactive material from the surrounding environment. (going from memory there, and I'm no doctor...)


23 posted on 09/04/2005 4:54:54 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt
So A. Q. Khan appears to have been, under all the academic cover, a committed Wahhabist. Or else, Al Q'aeda and the Wahhabists captured him by, say, blackmail or extortion, rather in the manner of the sect of the Assassins.

OK, so Khan proliferated to Al Q'aeda.

Who proliferated to him?

IOW, what are the chances we're looking at the pointy end of a "borrowed knife" strategy, another point of which is called Kim Jong Il?

A secret knife in the back?

24 posted on 09/04/2005 4:56:50 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Peach

Oh, maybe I was speaking to myself. I've been so preoccupied with AD and Katrina that reading this was like getting a bucket of cold water dumped on me.


25 posted on 09/04/2005 5:00:51 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt

LOL. I'll look through it again; it was sort of chilling to remember when...


26 posted on 09/04/2005 5:02:33 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: ovrtaxt
There's another make-do involving painting on tincture of iodine, too -- so many square inches per person per day, varying by age etc.

Don't know the formula, I suppose "it's out there".

27 posted on 09/04/2005 5:04:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: ovrtaxt

So, the intel community, law enforcement and the military are completely incompetent and can't do anything right while Al Queda has outsmarted and outmanuevered us at every turn. Wow, who would of thought?


28 posted on 09/04/2005 5:05:31 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I seem to remember an old speech that nobody ever talks about that included the list: Iraq, Iran, and North Korea.

The more I think about it, the more I realize what a poison pill the Clintons fed us during the Chinagate period. This war is much larger than AlQueda. We have problems with just about the entire world- with a few exceptions. The partnership between Communism and Islam becomes more apparent every day.


29 posted on 09/04/2005 5:07:08 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Weren't these same guys telling us two months ago that San Francisco, Chicago, and Las Vegas were about to be nuked. I picture an oldtime religious fanatic in sackcloth and ashes carrying around a sign "The World Will End on..." and various days of the week taped on one over the other.


30 posted on 09/04/2005 5:08:56 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Ajnin

Well, they don't have lawyers and bureaucrats.

Who has the advantage there?


31 posted on 09/04/2005 5:09:28 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: jammer
Yes it is. I may cancel my Las Vegas vacation at the end of this month.

September 11 is a week away; fortunately, it's a Sunday (nobody at work). I can hear Osama now, "No, 9/11 won't work for me this year -- I can't kill enough people if it's on a Sunday. What have you got later on?"

Black humor, but the only kind available on this thread. Wow, this is just nasty stuff to think about.

32 posted on 09/04/2005 5:09:54 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: ovrtaxt

Setting off a 15kT weapon in Times Square would cause MUCH less destruction and MANY fewer problems than Hurricane Katrina.


33 posted on 09/04/2005 5:11:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: tlb
You mean these old time religious fanatics?

Gen. Eugene Habiger, former Executive Chief of Strategic Weapons at the Pentagon, said that an event of nuclear mega-terrorism on U. S. soil is "not a matter of if, but when." During the 2004 presidential debates, President Bush and Sen. Kerry said that nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists represent the greatest danger facing the American people, while Vice President Cheney, on the campaign trail, warned that a nuclear attack by al-Qaida appears imminent. Before leaving office, Attorney General John Ashcroft and Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge both voiced that belief that al-Qaida's plan to nuke cities throughout the country soon might come to fruition.

34 posted on 09/04/2005 5:11:25 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: Jim Noble

I won't debate that. But what about several on the same day? That's AQ's tactic. Embassy bombings (2), airplanes (4), London railway (3?).

I have read that the USSR was missing as many as 80 suitcase
nukes.

Kooks with nukes. Not good no matter how many there are.


35 posted on 09/04/2005 5:15:22 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: Ajnin
So, the intel community, law enforcement and the military are completely incompetent and can't do anything right while Al Queda has outsmarted and outmanuevered us at every turn.

If 1) Bill Clinton were really a Chinese agent and 2) Al Q'aeda is a borrowed Chinese knife, it all comes together. Slick sandbagging the fight against OBL long enough to give Bin Laden a solid start in a secure environment (Afghanistan) replete with access to a determined proliferator (Khan) -- who also may have been compromised by the Chinese (spies are busy people) or Al Q'aeda or both -- and the result is disaster for America, and China is standing off to the side, seemingly innocent, while nukes pop off in our cities left and right, wrecking our economy just at the moment China's ready to step up and claim a really big place in the sun. What could be more convenient? Talk about great timing. Think the Chinese Politburo can play at that level?

36 posted on 09/04/2005 5:15:44 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: ovrtaxt
Paul L. Williams is a former consultant to the FBI on organized crime and terrorism.

Weasel words; did he make some kook statement that the FBI asked him about just to cover its butt?

...I have a unique background. I hold a Ph.D. in philosophy from Drew University and I am a seasoned and award-winning journalist.

According to the Drew University website:

M.A./Ph.D.: Areas of study include: English Literature, Liturgical Studies, Modern History & Literature, Women's Studies (M.A. only, Ph.D. concentration), Biblical Studies, Religion & Society, Theological & Religious Studies and Wesleyan & Methodist Studies.

I have to wonder how any of these subjects would qualify someone to talk about terrorism.

This all sounds like Art Bell stuff; I suspect if AQ had a bomb in the US they'd detonate it. To just keep it here would be to risk its capture.

37 posted on 09/04/2005 5:20:07 AM PDT by Grut
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To: ovrtaxt
I have read that the USSR was missing as many as 80 suitcase nukes

The suitcase nukes are TINY. Plus, of course, their is no chance that a bunch of savages who live in caves and wear their diapers on their heads have maintained them in working condition.

A coordinated nuclear attack using modern weapons and modern delivery systems could do a lot of damage to the US.

Setting off a so-called "dirty bomb", or a bunch of 1-2kT "suitcase bombs", would just piss us off.

38 posted on 09/04/2005 5:22:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I find it odd that none of our detection agencies or equipment works, our law enforcement doesn't work, our intel community doesn't work, our military doesn't work all at the same time. The CIA and all these other pundits know that there are nukes in the US, know who has the nukes, what kind of nukes, where the nukes came from, how they got into the US but don't know where the nukes are. Maybe if the article was sprinkled with a little American competence it might be more believable.


39 posted on 09/04/2005 5:25:14 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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To: ovrtaxt
The partnership between Communism and Islam becomes more apparent every day.

I don't see one, really. What I do see is an unequal relationship in which OBL gets his hands on enormously powerful weapons precisely because he's irresponsible enough to use them -- because the proliferator authority wants him to use them.

If there's a relationship there, I think it's an unequal relationship primarily between the Chinese and a few Paki players, whom they're directing to steer deniable (from China's POV) technology to OBL, who's happy to accept it no questions asked.

Then there are the venal proliferators both big and small, they come in for their share. But it appears the genie's about to get out of the bottle, leaving us to comtemplate an age in which humanity may wind up being ruled unaccountably by invisible, cave-dwelling, two-legged rats armed with nukes. Homo sapiens ratus gargoylensis.

40 posted on 09/04/2005 5:27:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
And stick troglodyticus in there anywhere after sapiens.
41 posted on 09/04/2005 5:28:22 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Jim Noble
Setting off a so-called "dirty bomb", or a bunch of 1-2kT "suitcase bombs", would just piss us off.

According to the earlier linked stories, OBL figured that one out and has bypassed that threat level and gone directly to attempting to manufacture military-yield weapons in the 10-15kt range, roughly equivalent to the Hiroshima bomb (hence the project name). The reference to Hiroshima is propagandistic and intended to reflect the onus back on the U.S. Government, for having used those weapons during World War II.

Practical effects of a 10-kt weapon, if detonated at some optimum height above ground (say, atop a big building): basically nonsurvivable within about 1.2 miles, massive destruction and relatively low survivability (~25% survive at least into the postattack period) out to about 2 miles. Blast wave velocities over 250 mph instantaneous close to Ground Zero.

At 2 miles, most buildings remain standing and occupants not located next to windows will probably survive if they leave the area immediately and don't get caught in firestorms and aren't irradiated heavily by fallout. Persons near windows will be burned and then cut by flying glass; blast wave velocity will be approximately 70mph.

Over four miles, minimal effects on persons indoors except for fallout. Light damage to buildings and vehicles. And pandemonium, civil disorder, loss of services, etc.

There will be other effects, such as immobilization of vehicles with computerized ignitions by EMP and destruction of computer equipment by same. I've no idea about ranges and severity of EMP effects.

Search the Net for "weapons effects" and some combination of keywords.

42 posted on 09/04/2005 5:52:44 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Jim Noble

They're big enough to take out a stadium.

And a dirty bomb, depending on the radioactive substance, could make a downtown area of a city uninhabitable for years.

Small explosions, big impact. Just sayin'...


43 posted on 09/04/2005 5:57:29 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: Ajnin

Have you lookad at the border issue lately?

It's totally out of control. Yes, the FBI has open files on lots of Islamic people living among us, but can they prevent something like this? We have an army of ACLU lawyers who prevent any real cleanup from being done before the fact. And, the bureaucrats in intel still exist in an atmosphere of competition and internal turf wars.

If we weren't so internally weakened by the leftist infiltration of the last 50 years, I would agree with you more readily.


44 posted on 09/04/2005 6:03:07 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (The more I find out about looters, the more I like my firearms.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
OBL figured that one out and has bypassed that threat level and gone directly to attempting to manufacture military-yield weapons in the 10-15kt range

Oh, yeah.

Last I heard, he'd rounded up a task force of goatherds and they were going to build a Trident submarine with 240 independently-targetable warheads.

Now we're really screwed!

45 posted on 09/04/2005 6:43:48 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
I keep hoping that the CIA is just a cover organization - the public face of American intelligence that exists only for public consumption and that somewhere out there is a real intelligence agency without a name, without an official headquarters, without a public budget and without a bunch of lilly livered bureaucrats screwing up everything they try to do.

I think it's called the NSA

46 posted on 09/04/2005 6:54:38 AM PDT by Clink ("Government is not the solution, government is the problem".--Ronald Reagan)
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To: ovrtaxt
One thing for sure...Katrina has shown

If you live in an urban area...don't

And you are responsible for yourself and your loved ones....

Find those like minded neighbors...from your church or other
organizations and make a plan and gather survival supplies..

More is better...
47 posted on 09/04/2005 7:04:41 AM PDT by joesnuffy (A bible that is falling apart, usually belongs to someone who isn't - Spurgeon)
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To: ovrtaxt

Al Qaeda is no friend of Beijing. China has her own probels with Muslims in Xinjiang Province, and elsewhere along the Silk Road, all the way to Xian.

Khan had the know-how, if he wanted the funding for a Muslim bomb I doubt he'd go to North Korea. I'm thinking the $$$ trail leads far closer to the home of Al Qaeda itself, without the need for intrigue and conspiracies. Saudi Arabia, the real hub of the axis.


48 posted on 09/04/2005 7:41:22 AM PDT by cambridge (prayers for all)
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To: ovrtaxt

Bump for later read.


49 posted on 09/04/2005 7:57:12 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: ovrtaxt

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 09/04/2005 8:23:28 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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