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Why Didn't Louisiana Follow its Required Emergency Plan?
Self | September 4, 2005 | Joseph Ranos

Posted on 09/04/2005 3:48:32 PM PDT by Sonar5

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To: ProxyAccount

Maybe I've been reading to much today, I don't see a date....WHAT'S THE DATE ON THIS.


101 posted on 09/04/2005 5:25:35 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: RAY

I think that has been covered in other threads, the casino and Marina Purchases, etc....


102 posted on 09/04/2005 5:26:01 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5

Mind if I copy info and send it to local media here in AZ?


103 posted on 09/04/2005 5:32:25 PM PDT by common-sense-man-1776
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To: common-sense-man-1776

Nope, feel free. It's all Public Information culled from the links.


104 posted on 09/04/2005 5:33:09 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5

Just wanted to add something. Mayor Nagin was on TV Saturday night after getting a call from the NHC director; he pleaded with the public to get out of town. I thought I remember him saying that state law kept him from ordering a mandatory evacuation during nighttime hours. Does anyone familar with LA law know what that is all about?


105 posted on 09/04/2005 5:34:23 PM PDT by crispy78 (Congressional Motto: Republicans by day, Democrats by night.)
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To: Sonar5

106 posted on 09/04/2005 5:36:51 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Sonar5

I sent your research to - shall we just say a highly respected democrat political war machine hack with close clinton ties.

He changed the subject back to the IDIOT FEMA chief.

I just told I agreed with him on that subject but we need to expand and we need to strip the powers of the federal tyranny back to only its CONSTITUTIONAL powers and leave the states to their own goods or evils - it is the people's choice and responsibility (unknown word in the USA) .


107 posted on 09/04/2005 5:37:56 PM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.sigmaitsys.com)
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To: Sonar5

In four simple words:

"Laws are for Republicans."


108 posted on 09/04/2005 5:37:57 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: Nita Nupress
Let's face it: actually executing the evacuation plan was just too sensible. It sounds like something designed by reasonably intelligent people, who by virtue of their profound common sense are ineligible to serve as elected officials of the State of Louisiana.

And it was plainly obvious to Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco that despite all contrary implications, President Bush is personally responsible for executing the portions of the evacuation plan that you just highlighted. Bush doesn't have an excuse; he was on vacation twiddling his thumbs with all that spare time he was using frivolously on his ranch by entertaining foreign leaders, directing military victories over the terrorists, and strategizing politics for the upcoming legislative season.

Bush should have eschewed those leisure activities and done his actual job, to execute personally the provisions of the Louisiana catastrophic hurricane emergency plan regarding the impoverished and infirm. It's in the Constitution, plainly contained in the Schedule of Emanations and Penumbras. How dare you or anyone else claim that Louisiana officials should have protected their citizenry? They're Democrats, for crying out loud; that's their excuse: they represent the party of poverty and hooliganism.
109 posted on 09/04/2005 5:38:19 PM PDT by dufekin (US Senate: the only place where the majority [D] comprises fewer than the minority [R])
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To: dufekin

Better add a </sarc> tag. :)


110 posted on 09/04/2005 5:39:50 PM PDT by crispy78 (Congressional Motto: Republicans by day, Democrats by night.)
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To: marblehead17


111 posted on 09/04/2005 5:40:17 PM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: Sonar5

It's just easier to blame Bush.


112 posted on 09/04/2005 5:40:58 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Liberalism is an ill fated luxury that we cannot afford at this time; it does not work in a crisis.)
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To: Sonar5

I also took the liberty of sending it to National Review...and a couple of other folks who have connections...

Thanks again Sonar5


113 posted on 09/04/2005 5:41:04 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: Sonar5

Ping for later.


114 posted on 09/04/2005 5:41:05 PM PDT by Styria
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To: Grampa Dave

Those pictures of the buses with Nagin and his own quote superimposed over them would be good.

Those buses should have been moved to high ground. Obviously they could have moved people, but they could also have been used to move supplies to the people stuck at the Dome and elswhere.






115 posted on 09/04/2005 5:44:41 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: planekT

They could been parked on the I10 interstate heading out of town.

Then they wouldn't have been flooded and people could have been evacuated.

Nagin's lawyers stopped him from using the school buses and other city buses. They were afraid of legal problems if there was an accident with a fully loaded bus trying to leave the city.


116 posted on 09/04/2005 5:49:09 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Sonar5

When Chris Wallace point-blank asked Chertoff about the communications between Blanco and Bush that resulted in Louisiana finally accepting federal intervention, Chertoff demurred and said the conversations were confidential.

That says it ALL.


117 posted on 09/04/2005 5:52:06 PM PDT by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

"The oil business power base that was in New Orleans will move to Baton Rouge."

The oil business relocated to Houston years ago. The only elements of the oil industry left in New Orleans are those necessary to operate the various refineries in the area.


118 posted on 09/04/2005 5:56:25 PM PDT by Poodlebrain
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To: GretchenM

I saw that too. My wife was sitting there talking back at the TV to Chertoff.

"Just Say It"

President Bush is Probably responsible for saving Hundreds of Thousands, while Blanco and her crew are responsible for killing likely thousands.


119 posted on 09/04/2005 5:56:48 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: dufekin

ROTFLOL!


120 posted on 09/04/2005 5:57:07 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.")
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To: Grampa Dave
Nagin's lawyers stopped him from using the school buses and other city buses. They were afraid of legal problems if there was an accident with a fully loaded bus trying to leave the city.

I wouldn't doubt it. Sounds about par for the course.

121 posted on 09/04/2005 5:58:38 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: Sonar5
I have not seen a valid link Stating when Bush actually urged the Governor to issue the mandatory evacuation.

If you see one, ping me and I'll do the same for you. It'll eventually "leak out" somehow.

122 posted on 09/04/2005 6:00:14 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.")
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To: Sonar5

Yes, Brousard, the president of Jefferson Parish, can blubber on CNN that people died because the federal government didn't do enough. Yet, as an official who signed off on the Emergency Plan, HE was responsible for the safety of those nursing home residents, along with many others who died. Now all these failures are trying to shift the blame. Where were all the supplies that were supposedly in place funded by FEMA and the Dept. of Homeland Security? I think there should be a thorough investigation of what happened to this money, and the thieves ought to get long prison sentences for in effect, killing defenseless people.


123 posted on 09/04/2005 6:03:55 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Huh? Make some sense, please.


124 posted on 09/04/2005 6:04:37 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Amerigomag
Assigning blame publicly is counterproductive to the recovery of the area.
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Why, so we can spend hundreds of billions "recovering" New Orleans and next Hurricane season this can happen all over again? These facts must be made public. This is the function of a free press, of which we are an integral part. The truth shall set you free. Its not to asses blame but to look accurately at what occurred and deal with it constructively for the future. Its important this doesn't get swept under the rug of false racism charges and anti-Bush media bias.
125 posted on 09/04/2005 6:06:52 PM PDT by photodawg
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To: Sonar5; RushCrush; backhoe; Clint N. Suhks; hummingbird; jaydubya2; Stellar Dendrite; bootless; ...
Awesome job and awesome research. Thanks!!!

Another example that proves the MSM media is;

*Arrogant
*Incompetent
*Lazy and emotional
*Predisposed and biased

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Use this information to go on the offensive...don't wait to be in a position to defend yourself. It's our job as citizen 'soldiers' in the war against liberal media agendas and bias.

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126 posted on 09/04/2005 6:08:50 PM PDT by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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To: Sonar5

amazing work on your part -- a must keep so that when the liberals around me spew their lies, i can hit them with this. THANK YOU!!!


127 posted on 09/04/2005 6:09:51 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: Sonar5
BTW - His Predecessor Honorable Tim P. Coulon, Parish President of Jefferson Parish appears as a signatory on the Plan for their area.

Yeah, I saw that. And I'm still looking for a newer version with his name on it. Please ping me if one shows up.

Good thread. We need to shine the truth on this as much as possible. I can tell you one thing for sure, the disaster planning community in my part of Texas knows exactly who is responsible for New Orleans' "non-response" to the hurricane.

128 posted on 09/04/2005 6:11:20 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.")
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To: Sonar5

Because it it more important to sit and talk with lawyers to try and cover their butts.


129 posted on 09/04/2005 6:12:47 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's code and found a terrorist message.)
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To: photodawg
Assigning blame publicly is counterproductive to the recovery of the area. ______________________________________________________

Why, so we can spend hundreds of billions "recovering" New Orleans and next Hurricane season this can happen all over again? These facts must be made public. This is the function of a free press, of which we are an integral part. The truth shall set you free. Its not to asses blame but to look accurately at what occurred and deal with it constructively for the future. Its important this doesn't get swept under the rug of false racism charges and anti-Bush media bias.

I'd have no problem with that statement with a little rephrasing:

Assigning blame publicly right now is counterproductive to the recovery of the area.

Blame can, and should, be determined later so that the failures that did occur can be avoided in the future.

130 posted on 09/04/2005 6:16:41 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Rebelbase

Well they're living without bathrooms right now aren't they? Men can pee in bottle and they could have pulled over every few hours to hit the bushes if they had to. This is a hurricane evacuation not a field trip for God's sake.


131 posted on 09/04/2005 6:20:58 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Back then they didn't want me, now I'm hot and they all on me.)
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To: NewLand
Please add me to your ping list, NewLand. TIA.
132 posted on 09/04/2005 6:21:24 PM PDT by hummingbird (21st Century Newsreporting - "Don't get me started!")
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To: Sonar5

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133 posted on 09/04/2005 6:22:22 PM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Sonar5

President Bush's track record says to me that he operates on the principle of letting love cover a multitude of sins as long as that is possible.

Public inquiry will probably lay the matter bare to the world, but he won't have had a hand in the name calling.

I loved reading the account of NO's mayor aboard AF1 the day after Nagin upbraided the president. Nagin said Bush didn't discuss it till the mayor brought it up -- after they'd been airborne for quite a while. Nagin said he apologized if he'd said anything that ... yada yada ... and W said that yes, he had heard about it but didn't quite understand all of it (LOL). Then Bush told him, "We're okay."

That is remarkable. This same approach to hostility and (possible) derangement has disarmed many sabre rattlers and outright enemies.


134 posted on 09/04/2005 6:22:30 PM PDT by GretchenM (Hooked on porn and hating it? Visit http://www.theophostic.com .)
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To: Sonar5

From the DHS website: "In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS." http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/theme_home2.jsp


135 posted on 09/04/2005 6:26:24 PM PDT by freethinker777
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To: freethinker777

metulj, is that you again?


136 posted on 09/04/2005 6:29:22 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: freethinker777

You trolls are so transparent, I restored your comment for prosperity.


137 posted on 09/04/2005 6:29:33 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: freethinker777; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; ...

Another cut and paste post.


138 posted on 09/04/2005 6:30:27 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: freethinker777

credit to: (FReeper's name not known)

139 posted on 09/04/2005 6:31:13 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Mongeaux
Wonderful work! I have been looking for a single coherent list of local government failings (with timeline) to reference while arguing with Dems on other forums. Thanks for the help.

I agree that this is an excellent report of the truth BUT when Katie says that Bush was asleep at the wheel and is a racist all of these words will be negated in the American mind....... Same as TASS did in the USSR.......

140 posted on 09/04/2005 6:32:38 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: Darksheare; Admin Moderator
The Admin Moderator is on it tonight.


141 posted on 09/04/2005 6:33:53 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104; Admin Moderator

They're hot tonight!
Kudos to Admin Mod!


142 posted on 09/04/2005 6:34:48 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Darksheare

The trolls have been surely crawling out of the woodwork. Time to spray the servers with Troll-B-Gone....


143 posted on 09/04/2005 6:37:33 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

LOL!
Sounds like a plan to me.

Did you just see that cool ambush Admin Mod just did!
Cool!


144 posted on 09/04/2005 6:38:58 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Darksheare

Admin Mod often deserves a round of applause...


145 posted on 09/04/2005 6:42:26 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Admin Moderator

Wow, You're quick tonight. That troll should have seen my first Post where I link to the National Response Plan.

Thanks.


146 posted on 09/04/2005 6:43:33 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: freethinker777; Darksheare
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You smell funny

147 posted on 09/04/2005 6:43:40 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Yuppers!


148 posted on 09/04/2005 6:44:19 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: scott0347

And "Boom" goes the dynamite!


149 posted on 09/04/2005 6:45:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: scott0347; freethinker777

Freestinker has been shown the door, their comment preserved for the ages.


150 posted on 09/04/2005 6:45:45 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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