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Why Didn't Louisiana Follow its Required Emergency Plan?
Self | September 4, 2005 | Joseph Ranos

Posted on 09/04/2005 3:48:32 PM PDT by Sonar5

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To: Grampa Dave
Note the key word "may," which in this case more precisely means "might but probably won't." "May" always expresses a possibility, not a definitive. Let's read clause 5 again:

"School and municipal buses ... may [i.e., "might but probably won't"] be used [by whom? well, no one knows...] to provide transportation..."
51 posted on 09/04/2005 4:21:09 PM PDT by dufekin (US Senate: the only place where the majority [D] comprises fewer than the minority [R])
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To: Sonar5

Why Didn't Louisiana Follow it's Required Emergency Plan?


I'll bite,


Tell us why!


52 posted on 09/04/2005 4:22:17 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock - Make the elected personally liable for their wasteful spending)
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To: Sonar5

Bookmarked


53 posted on 09/04/2005 4:23:06 PM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Sonar5
Great research. This should be the basis for any future investigations.
54 posted on 09/04/2005 4:23:23 PM PDT by f zero
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To: Sonar5

Very good.


55 posted on 09/04/2005 4:23:31 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: FOXFANVOX

This has been called on another thread,
The Nagin Memorial Motor Pool

I respectfully submit another two titles for consideration:

Lake Nagin
or
Blanco's Waterloo

Prayers!

In God we Trust. Not Democrats.

56 posted on 09/04/2005 4:23:46 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: gitmo
Why was the LA National Guard never deployed, even after they criticized the Federal Government for not sending military assistance?

I thought, or they said, it was because most/all of LA's National Guard were in Iraq. How true is that?

57 posted on 09/04/2005 4:24:18 PM PDT by madison10
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To: WhiteGuy

Toliets and bullsh7t, take your pick.


58 posted on 09/04/2005 4:24:32 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Sonar5

Great, great stuff. Thanks.


59 posted on 09/04/2005 4:25:34 PM PDT by goarmy (Red, white, and BOOM!)
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To: Sonar5; NautiNurse; Howlin

Excellent reference and summation PING!


60 posted on 09/04/2005 4:26:07 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: madison10

According to the Press 65% of Louisiana's National Guard was in State. Why they were not Mobilized in full prior to the Storm is a question for the Governor, who is in charge.


61 posted on 09/04/2005 4:26:42 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Rebelbase
Because school buses don't have bathrooms............

School buses are only for:

1. Busing kids around the town (the farther the better)

2. Busing illegal voters on election day from precinct to precinct to cast multiple illegal votes for Democrats.

3. Any other use of school buses is strictly prohibited.

Isn't that clear?

62 posted on 09/04/2005 4:28:25 PM PDT by Anticommie
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To: Sonar5

65% of the LA National Guard was in state? Then what was the problem?

Governor Blanco must have been waiting for instructions from some higher up Democrat/lawyer. Only reason I can figure for her being so dad-blamed stupid.


63 posted on 09/04/2005 4:29:31 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Sonar5
The Democrats are NOT going to want to have Senate hearings to look into what went wrong. They're much better off having the MSM spin for them.

The last thing they want are the facts.

64 posted on 09/04/2005 4:29:35 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: dufekin

Hi Make sure you read this part:

"...and as a prerequisite to emergency assistance under this Act, the Governor shall take appropriate action under State law and direct execution of the State's emergency plan."

Shall is pretty clear there.


65 posted on 09/04/2005 4:30:13 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5

Rats in charge? Case closed.


66 posted on 09/04/2005 4:31:26 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Sonar5

Sunday, August 28, 2005

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin followed at 5 p.m., issuing a voluntary evacuation.

Nagin said late Saturday that he's having his legal staff look into whether he can order a mandatory evacuation of the city, a step he's been hesitant to do because of potential liability on the part of the city for closing hotels and other businesses.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1125213007249320.xml


67 posted on 09/04/2005 4:33:29 PM PDT by wolficatZ ( + ><))))*> + __\0/___/|__..Higgens - "Zeus...Apollo.....PATROL!"....)
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To: wolficatZ

And the Governor just sat back and watched.


68 posted on 09/04/2005 4:35:01 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

"Hey, you don't suppose some lawsuits will come out of this against Blanco, Nagin, Parrish presidents and the like do you?"

Hell, criminal charges. Negligent manslaughter.


69 posted on 09/04/2005 4:35:25 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Sonar5

Great post, Just on the news: LSU computer model is predicting 10,000+ dead in New Orleans alone. Some emergency plan.


70 posted on 09/04/2005 4:36:02 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Sonar5

Good resource ping!


71 posted on 09/04/2005 4:36:11 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (Our President's intervention saved lives.)
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To: madison10

No truth, all dim dem BS.


72 posted on 09/04/2005 4:37:35 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: lawdude

Uh, can you read Bush and fed. JJ said today that all the NO vitimss must be compensated for their loss?? Read 1MM for each, he will demand no less than was given to 911 families.


73 posted on 09/04/2005 4:39:45 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Grampa Dave

Hey Grampa

Here's the genius Mayor of NO springing into action in a rant after the fact that his busses were Mary Jo'd.



Nagin: "I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here. I'm like, “You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

Rest of the transcript here: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/










74 posted on 09/04/2005 4:45:10 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Sonar5
The "plan"...


Thanks, Sonar5!
75 posted on 09/04/2005 4:45:30 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Rebelbase
Because school buses don't have bathrooms............

Neither do bridges.

76 posted on 09/04/2005 4:50:36 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Sonar5

Thanks for posting this. Now, maybe people here will stop posting like ignorant imbeciles blaming NOLA mayor and everybody and their mother. Or even thinking as great as Giuliani was for New Yorkers he could have done any better.

I believe everyone involved did everything they could involving the *MASSIVE* operation of help needed from Miss. to La.

A picture says a thousand words. Click below and scroll down to look at the pictures timeline.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168132,00.html








77 posted on 09/04/2005 4:52:07 PM PDT by Gazoo
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To: madison10
I thought, or they said, it was because most/all of LA's National Guard were in Iraq. How true is that?

I've read reports that 3,000 of LA's 11,000 NG strength is deployed to Iraq.

In addition to the remaining 8,000 personnel that the governor had at her beck and call, mutual aid agreements exist between various states. Those agreements allow the governor of one state to draw on resources which are available in other states.

78 posted on 09/04/2005 4:53:02 PM PDT by Bob
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To: chrispycsuf

I'll tell you whose political career is over: Governor Blanco, Mayor Nagin, Senator Landrieu, the entire Democrat Party in the state of Louisiana. The oil business power base that was in New Orleans will move to Baton Rouge. The smart heads in NO will build up both the shipping and tourism business in the Port of NO and the French Quarter/Convention business. Baton Rouge will become the number one city in Louisana, and Lafayette will grow in infuence. Blacks will slowly abandon the Democrat Party in Louisiana as they get real about their misguided loyalty to a political party that cares nothing at all about them, and a ripple effect among Blacks will flow throughout the country. The national Democrat Party will have permanent egg on its face for being nothing but negative against the President and the federal government (Of course the national Democrat Party has no idea of what to do on its own, they just bitch and moan and provide no solutions whatsoever!!!) Check my prediction within in a couple of years, and I bet you I am right on!!!


79 posted on 09/04/2005 4:53:21 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: xkaydet65

Seriously, I am in Florida, If I wanted to drive on I-10 to New Orleans I couldn't. Much of I-10 is in the damn Gulf of Mexico--needless to say this hampers the relief effort. The media windbags have no idea about logistics-- they can't change a damn tire, but they know how to provide aid to a disaster area the size of Great Britain. And the animal-like thuggery of the democrat base in NO also frustrates the relief effort.


80 posted on 09/04/2005 4:54:55 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: planekT; backhoe; Cindy; kcvl; Howlin; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for your reply and this incredible link. He was probably told by his lawyers if someone had a wreck with one of those buses, he and N O's would be sued.

To the Freepers, I pinged, you may want to store this before it disappears:

"Here's the genius Mayor of NO springing into action in a rant after the fact that his busses were Mary Jo'd.





Nagin: "I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here. I'm like, “You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

Rest of the transcript here: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/


81 posted on 09/04/2005 4:54:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: ProxyAccount

I appreciate the work that went into your and Sonar's posts. It would be useful to know the date and time of the Mayor's orders.


82 posted on 09/04/2005 4:55:09 PM PDT by sgtyork
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To: Sonar5
Great thread.

 These are some excellent overhead pictures of the "Ray Nagin Memorial Motor Pools," now underwater. 
 


http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=raynaginmotorpool11vd.jpg
http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=raynaginmotorpool24qa.jpg

 Here's what Nagin said about those school buses a few days ago:
" I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the (disaster planning) briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here."  (New Orleans' Mayor C. Ray Nagin's Interview on WWL-AM, September 2, 2005)

Yes, Mayor Nagin.  That's the normal operating procedure for disaster evacuation.

 



 
 
Standard disaster planning procedures call for the use of school & city buses to evacuate nursing home residents, high-risk populations, and people who lack transportation.  This evacuation is supposed to be away from the disaster area, not to the middle of it (Superdome).

It seems that the local and state officials got confused about the difference between "shelters" and "last resort refuges."  New Orleans residents without transportation were sent to the Superdome, a facility that was a "staging area," an area that was to serve as a collection point to pick people up and send them to "shelters."  The Superdome is designated as a "last resort refuge" for a reason. It's because it was to serve as a "staging area" until all the evacuation routes were closed.  Then and only then would it serve as a "last resort refuge."

All those people who waited in that long line all day Sunday could have been all the way to Houston by sundown.  Instead, the buses remained idle, and they were herded like cattle into a "last resort refuge," better known as a "death trap." This mistake was fatal to a lot of those people.
 
Indeed, according to the "Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan" (see below), people who lacked  transportation should have been transported away from the "Risk Area Parishes" (i.e., flood-prone areas).  The disaster plan called for transportation of these people to shelters, not "last resort refuges."  Shelters are outside of the flood-prone areas and should be stocked with food, water, and the basic necessities of life.

Instead of using the buses to transport people out of the flood zone, Mayor Nagin opened the Superdome to the general public beginning at 12:00 pm Sunday.  They were even expected to bring their own food and water.

This evacuation to safe, out-of-area shelters was to take place all the way up until evacuation routes were closed
  (I think I'm repeating myself now. :-)
 



 
 Available for download here:
http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf  (Excerpted below; emphasis added).
 

PART I: GENERAL

A. SUMMARY:

The Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan is intended to provide a framework within which the parishes can coordinate their actions with State government in order to deal with a catastrophic hurricane. The overall strategy for dealing with a catastrophic hurricane is to evacuate as much of the at risk population as possible from the path of the storm and relocate them to a place of relative safety outside the projected high water mark of the storm surge flooding and hurricane force winds. 

PART II: SITUATIONS AND ASSUMPTIONS

A. SITUATIONS 

3. Tidal surge, associated with the "worst case" Category 3, 4 or 5 Hurricane Scenario for the Greater New Orleans  Metropolitan Area, as determined by the National Weather Service (NWS) Sea, Lake and Overland Surge from Hurricanes (SLOSH) Model, could cause a maximum inundation of 20 feet above sea level in some of the parishes in the Region, not including tidal effects, wind waves and storm rainfall.

4. The Area is protected by an extensive levee system, but above-normal water levels and hurricane surge could cause levee overtopping or failures.

8. Many of the Region's emergency shelter facilities may be inundated by floodwaters when threatened by a slow moving Category 3 or above hurricane. Sheltering of evacuees outside of the Region becomes necessary.

 B. ASSUMPTIONS 
5. The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.

14. Hospitals, nursing homes, group homes, etc. will have pre-determined evacuation and/or refuge plans if evacuation becomes necessary. All facilities will have approved Multi-Hazard Emergency Operations Plans as mandated by the State of Louisiana, Dept. of Health and Hospitals (DHH). Before operating permits are given to homes/hospitals, emergency precautions are to be taken, such as the placement of emergency supplies and equipment (i.e., generators and potable water) on upper floors.

23. As evacuation routes are closed, people who are still in the risk area will be directed to last resort refuge within the area.

 

PART III: EVACUATION (p. 16)

A. PROCEDURES: 

The procedures outlined here are the minimum actions that will be required from State, parish and municipal authorities in a hurricane emergency, to move as many people as possible from the areas threatened by the hurricane storm surge as identified by the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers' SLOSH estimates. 

B. CONCEPT OF OPERATIONS: The Regional Evacuation Plan has three phases: Precautionary, Recommended and Mandatory. Each phase requires specific actions to be taken at about the same time by all the organizations that are operating under this plan. The cycle of Decision, Implementation and Information Feedback is critical to the operation of this plan.

3. Mandatory Evacuation: (p. 20)

a. Risk Area Parishes:

4. Designate staging areas and other facilities as last resort refuges. People at these locations who cannot be evacuated in time to avoid the storm will remain and take refuge in the designated buildings.

c. State of Louisiana:
4. Direct the evacuation and shelter of persons having mobility limitations, including persons in nursing homes, hospitals, group homes and non-institutionalized persons.
 

PART IV: Evacuation Routes (p. 24)

A. Highways: 

There are several major evacuation routes out of the Southeastern Louisiana Hurricane Risk Area.

4. As a hurricane approaches land, high winds and rising water will affect evacuation routes, making travel hazardous. Evacuation orders will take this into account and provide for evacuation routes to be shut down at the point at which travel would become hazardous.

5. As evacuation routes are shut down, people who are still in the risk area will have to be directed to last resort refuge buildings within the area.

B. Concept of Operations:
1. Evacuation will be conducted in three phases as outlined in the basic plan: Precautionary / Voluntary, Recommended and Mandatory.
c. Mandatory:
1. Priority will be given to residents of low-lying areas.
 

PART VI: STAGING AREAS / LAST RESORT REFUGE

A. Staging Areas 

The definition of a staging area is a central location, easily accessible to those ambulatory people who are in need of transportation to a shelter.

1. Residents who have no means of transportation will be directed to the staging areas.

2. Transportation vehicles will be pre-positioned to transport residents to shelters.

3. Once the evacuation routes are closed, the staging areas will become Last Resort Refuges.

4. After the storm has passed and the evacuation order is rescinded, transportation will be provided to return people dropped off at shelters to the staging area.

B. Last Resort Refuge The definition of Last Resort Refuge is a place for persons to be protected from the high winds and heavy rains from the storm. Unlike a shelter, there may be little or no water or food and possibly no utilities. A Last Resort Refuge is intended to provide best available survival protection for the duration of the hurricane only.
1. Once evacuation routes are closed, people who were unable to evacuate the risk area
(on school  and city buses) will be directed to last resort refuge and /or staging areas.

2. When it is determined that weather conditions permit, rescue teams will be sent into areas designated for Last Resort Refuge to transport evacuees to designated shelters.

g. Last resort refuge inside the risk area will be the responsibility of the local parish government. 
 

Of course, we all know this is Bush's fault.

 

 

 

 

83 posted on 09/04/2005 4:55:53 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.")
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To: Sonar5

This is what I was able to establish from various news reports and National Guard News releases. (It is unclear whether the Governor ever did declare an emergency or whether the President declared it and then legalized federal involvement through a subsequent declaration of an “Incident of National Significance”.I have seen one article where an emergency was declared on Friday. Another ehere the President requested a declaration by memo to the Gov. This was followed up with the urging phone call on Saturday and his declaration. Muddy.)

(1) It was well known that NO emergency plans were inadequate. There was an AP report from September 19, 2004 by Kevin McGill titled "Ivan exposes flaws in N.O.'s disaster plans." The Times Picayune also did an expose. The American Red Cross informed the mayor that they would no longer be setting up shelters within the city for hurricanes over category-2. They informed the mayor that is was just too dangerous and that his city was ill-prepared to handle the crisis.

(2) The Governor knew of the possibility of a CAT 5 hitting head-on in NO five days prior to the event. (Hit Florida Aug. 25-26)

(3) Friday, President Bush sends a memo to the Gov. suggesting she declare a state of emergency. President Bush called Governor on Saturday urging her to declare a state of emergency and issue evacuation orders.

(4) President Bush declared a state of emergency on Saturday. FEMA aid was authorized http://www.fema.gov/news/dfrn.fema?id=4489

(5) Once a state of emergency is declared, the Governor can request federal resources, including the federalization and deployment of the National Gurad from surrounding states. It is not clear that she did either before this storm.

(6) Max Mayfield, director of the NHC called the Mayor Saturday evening to make sure he knew the severity of the threat.

(7) Mayor Nagin declared a state of emergency and ordered evacuation of NO on Sunday.

(8) There was an evacuation plan in place to evacuate the poor involving school buses, but it was not followed

(9) Two hundred Louisiana troops assisted civilian authorities by conducting security and screening missions at the Superdome

(10) The hurricane hit on Monday morning

(11) The levees broke on Tuesday by Wednesday, 80% of NO is flooded

(12) Tuesday, about 2,800 Louisiana National Guard were deployed for security, but not used for law enforcement. An estimated 7,500 National Guard troops from Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi were on hurricane duty in their Gulf states. National Guard units and members in 17 more states were on standby, ready to provide assistance as required in the wake of extensive damage

(13) Wednesday, President Bush directed Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff to chair a Cabinet-level task force to coordinate all Federal assistance and recovery efforts in response to the catastrophic effects caused by Hurricane Katrina. The U.S. Northern Command Joint Task Force Katrina is coordinating search and rescue, medical help and supplies from Mississippi. At this time, more than 11,000 Army and Air National Guard members and 7,200 active-duty troops, mostly Navy, are supporting hurricane relief operations along the Gulf Coast. 10,000 National Guard units from neigboring states are ordered to be deployed within the following 48 hours. Evacuation of Superdome begins. The head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency told Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that 1,000 additional staff people are needed within 48 hours and 2,000 within a week. President Bush tours disaster sites.

(14) By Thursday 8 a.m The President makes a declaration of an “Incident of National Significance” activating the National Response Plan and the Interagency Incident Management Group Including out of state units, the Guard presence in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida has jumped to 15,000 troops. An estimated 1,400 National Guard military police has arrived in NO. Governor issues orders to shoot to kill looters. The Guard is not enforcing martial law. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits active-duty forces from conducting law enforcement operations, but does not cover National Guard members operating under their state governors’ control. Six hundred 25,000-pound sandbags were delivered to the Gulf Coast on Sept. 1, with another 200 expected on Friday as part of the effort to repair broken levees. To date, the U.S. Coast Guard has rescued more than 3,000 people off rooftops and from flooded neighborhoods. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin orders 1,500 police to leave their search-and-rescue missions and return to the streets to stop looting. Meanwhile, by unanimous consent of those present, the Senate has approved $10.5 billion in aid for the hurricane victims. The House passed Friday

(15) Friday, There are now 35,000 National Guard troops on the ground. The 82nd Airborne is also on the ground in NO. More than 400 members of the Army Corps of Engineers are working to repair the levee system in New Orleans and removing floodwaters from the city. Mayor Nagin gives an angry speech, and wants people to flood the offices of the president and the governor with letters calling for help. Convention Center refugees grow angry.

(16) Saturday airlifts, final evacuation of Superdome and Convention Center. President George W. Bush orders 7,000 active-duty military personnel to the Gulf Coast to join the 4,000 already there. They should arrive within 72 hours. To date, the Coast Guard has rescued 9,500 people in areas ravaged by Katrina. A $62 million National Emergency Grant to provide temporary employment is announced.
The L.A. Governor still hasn't officially declared a state of emergency.

Why is getting the facts straight important? Because the MSM is widely circulating false information that is whipping up furious and widespread public anger at the President and the "lack of federal response." Leftists are using this event to fan their hatred. That is wrong and should be nipped in the bud before it spreads, particularly those tactics fanning race anger. It is also important to understand where the break down points and bottlenecks occurred so that they can be fixed to present the repetition of failings in the future.


84 posted on 09/04/2005 4:56:01 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: dufekin

The old define "may" routine! :)


85 posted on 09/04/2005 4:56:36 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Sonar5

Nagan and Blanco need to be brought up on criminal charges.


86 posted on 09/04/2005 4:58:34 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: Grampa Dave

See My Post #65


87 posted on 09/04/2005 4:59:33 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; AmericanArchConservative; Former Dodger

great post, much info and lots of work - fyi


88 posted on 09/04/2005 5:01:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: Sonar5

Good job. The lawyers on FR have been really busy this past week parsing words and reality.


89 posted on 09/04/2005 5:01:44 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: grey_whiskers
How about Nagin's Navy docked on Lake Landrieu, commanded by Gov Blanco.




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90 posted on 09/04/2005 5:02:16 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: Sonar5
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91 posted on 09/04/2005 5:07:03 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: marsh2
Great timeline. Thanks!

(3) ...President Bush called Governor on Saturday urging her to declare a state of emergency and issue evacuation orders.

Are we sure that he didn't give her until early Sunday morning, hoping she would catch a clue and see the obvious?

 

(8) There was an evacuation plan in place to evacuate the poor involving school buses, but it was not followed

See my #83.  The mayor apparently got confused between "shelter" and "last resort refuge."

 

Why is getting the facts straight important? Because the MSM is widely circulating false information that is whipping up furious and widespread public anger at the President and the "lack of federal response." Leftists are using this event to fan their hatred. That is wrong and should be nipped in the bud before it spreads

Worth repeating.

Signed,
Nita NuPress

92 posted on 09/04/2005 5:10:39 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.")
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To: rawcatslyentist; Paleo Conservative

Do either of you know if anyone has counted all those buses? I'm curious how close to the "500" it actually is.


93 posted on 09/04/2005 5:12:40 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.")
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To: Nita Nupress

I have not seen a valid link Stating when Bush actually urged the Governor to issue the mandatory evacuation.

I have read the Press reports and articles about the press conference where she mentioned it.


94 posted on 09/04/2005 5:13:40 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: TX Bluebonnet

As a witness to the race riots of 1967 and 1968, learn one thing about governors. They all spend time doing political calculus for atleast 72 hours before they make a decision or overcome by events. The LA riots and the Crown Heights riot in NYC reinforce this theory. Diseasters are too important to be left to politicians. Citizens should learn to stockpile food and water, and firearms and organize till help arrives. Feds will take 72 hours for normal diseasters and up to one week for severe diseasters. By Federal Planning, state and local governments are suppose to have the ability to cope during that time till Fed resources arrive.


95 posted on 09/04/2005 5:14:46 PM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: Sonar5
Why did the Governor abandon the City of New Orleans for the Safety of Baton Rouge,

Perhaps because her office, staff and residence are in Baton Rouge. This point of yours is just plain silly, and detracts from the points that have merit.

96 posted on 09/04/2005 5:15:11 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Sonar5

**Why Didn't Louisiana Follow it's Required Emergency Plan?**

Good question for Blanko and Naggin (my mispellings) to answer.


97 posted on 09/04/2005 5:19:14 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Nita Nupress

I just saw that Whiner form Jefferson Parish again, the President of the Parish, Broussard(sp).

I bet he didn't even realize his own responsibilities before he starts blaming others and calling it criminal.

He Should find a mirror, and consider his own actions and why he did not follow the plan.

BTW - His Predecessor Honorable Tim P. Coulon, Parish President of Jefferson Parish appears as a signatory on the Plan for their area.

Regards,
Joe


98 posted on 09/04/2005 5:20:37 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: Sonar5
A very comprehensive and useful piece of work, thanks.

One things I did not find mention of, in your post, is the possible roll of the New Orleans Levee Board in this tragedy.

99 posted on 09/04/2005 5:23:20 PM PDT by RAY ( Heroes not,, the U.S. Supreme Court!!)
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To: Sonar5

Good work. Bump to the Library.


100 posted on 09/04/2005 5:25:01 PM PDT by Les_Miserables
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