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Rape threat to our women (more Terror Dome accounts)
Herald Sun (Australia) ^ | 04sep05 | CHRIS TINKLER and DARYL PASSMORE

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:52:12 PM PDT by Lorianne

AUSTRALIAN survivors of Hurricane Katrina told last night of their dramatic escape from New Orleans and the unfolding civil disaster in city.

The group, joyful at fleeing the nightmare of the Louisiana city, lauded one of its members as a hero. Bud Hopes, of Brisbane, was praised for saving dozens of tourists as the supposed safe haven of the city's Superdome became a hellhole.

"I would have to say that Bud is solely responsible for our evacuation," Vanessa Cullington, 22, of Sydney, told the Sunday Herald Sun by mobile phone from a bus carrying 10 Australians to safety in Dallas, Texas.

"I dread to think what would have happened if we hadn't got out. It's so great to be free."

News of the group's escape came as reports said as many as 10,000 people might have been killed by the hurricane and its aftermath, and President George Bush ordered more troops and an increased aid effort for the stricken Gulf of Mexico states.

As the Australians left the Superdome, food and water were almost non-existent and the stiflingly hot arena was filled with 25,000 people and the stench of human waste. Gangs stalked the tourists and women were threatened with rape.

"Bud took control. He was calm and kept it together the whole time," Ms Cullington said.

Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot.

"It was like a refugee camp within a prison.

"It was full on. It was the worst thing I have seen in my life. I have never been so frightened."

Realising that foreigners were a target, Mr Hopes and the other Aussies gathered tourists from Europe, South America and elsewhere into one part of the building.

"There were 65 of us, so we were able to look after each other -- especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened." Mr Hopes said.

He said they had organised escorts for the women when they had gone for food or to the toilet, and rosters to keep guard while others slept.

"We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning."

John McNeil, 20, of Brisbane, said the worst point had come after two days when soldiers had told them the power in the dome was failing and there was only 10 minutes worth of gas left.

"I looked at Bud and said, 'That will be the end of us'," Mr McNeil said.

"The gangs . . . knew where we were. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble. We prayed for a miracle and the lights stayed on."

Mr Hopes said the Australians owed their lives to a National Guard Staff Sgt Garland Ogden, who had broken the rules to get the tourists out of the dome, with 60 people being evacuated to a medical centre.

"We did some shifts at the hospital to help nurse the sick to say thank you. It was a real Aussie thing," he said.

As the bus carrying the Australians crossed the Texan border, spirits were high.

"We've had hotdogs and chips and everyone is laughing," Mr Hopes said.

Later, the bus arrived at Dallas Convention Centre, where the Australians were processed.

Family and friends gathered at the Brisbane home of Mr McNeil's parents, Peter and Mary, where they were joined by Mr Hopes's sister, Debbie Browne.

Mrs McNeil broke down when she saw images of her son leaving New Orleans.

"There have been times during this past week when we didn't know if we would see him again," she said.

Mr McNeil said he could see a change in his son.

"They've been traumatised," he said. "I think they've witnessed several atrocities."

The other Australians on the bus were Emma Hardwick, of Sydney; Simon Wood, of Wyalkatchem, WA; Michael Ryan, of Lithgow, NSW; Yasmin Bright, of Newcastle; Michelle and Lisa van Grinsven, of Sydney; and Elise Sims, Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide.

Meanwhile, three Australian couples were safe in Los Angeles, awaiting flights home after being rescued from New Orleans by a Channel 7 news crew.

Tim and Joanne Miller, of Rockhampton, Garry and Cynthia Jones, of Brisbane, and Jack and Gloria Slinger, of Perth, crammed into a four-wheel-drive vehicle with reporter Mike Amor and two colleagues for the early morning dash.

The crew had arranged to pick up two couples from the building where they were holed up and found the Slingers on the streets.

"They were very wary about about coming out of the building. It was a pretty frightening scene -- bodies, shootings, looters," Amor said.

A phone call in the middle of the night gave hope to relatives of Brisbane's Fiona Seidel and her sister-in-law, Katie Maclean.

Mrs Maclean's husband, Andrew, was contacted by a New Orleans police officer who said he had seen the pair get on a bus.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: hurricaneaussies; katrina; superdome; terrordome
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I hate to see the bad PR for the USA. On the other hand, I hope Louisiana's tourist industry wakes up and puts extreme pressure on the authorities to crack down on crime. New Orleans has been a crime problem for years.
1 posted on 09/04/2005 6:52:12 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
"New Orleans has been a crime problem for years."

Bush's fault

2 posted on 09/04/2005 6:55:14 PM PDT by Sam's Army (USA 2 Mexico 0, get over it.)
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To: Lorianne

What do you mean by "our" Women? White? I object to this.


3 posted on 09/04/2005 6:55:46 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

"Our" likely means Aussie since it is from one of their papers.


4 posted on 09/04/2005 6:56:39 PM PDT by Sam's Army (USA 2 Mexico 0, get over it.)
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To: Lorianne

I don't think Louisiana has a tourist industry any more, or will have one for a long time, after this disaster.


5 posted on 09/04/2005 6:57:44 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: Lorianne
"In that place, 98 percent of the people were bad"

and 100% of those are perpetually on the government teat.

6 posted on 09/04/2005 6:58:09 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Lorianne

Let me tell you something. I am directly involved in this effort. We have coordinated the movement of the 82nd Airborne into Louis Armstrong Airport, and the Marines into Stennis and Gulfport. I ain't a spectator in this.


7 posted on 09/04/2005 6:58:38 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
I believe that he was using that to refer to the tourist women. Don't get upset.
8 posted on 09/04/2005 6:58:45 PM PDT by MCCRon58 (Patience is a virtue reserved, seemingly for adults.)
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To: Lorianne
Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

This is what mollycoddling criminals for 50 years does for you.

9 posted on 09/04/2005 6:59:45 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Lorianne
"In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad."

The wonders of multiculturalism.
10 posted on 09/04/2005 6:59:45 PM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: Lorianne

They have seen the worst. Now hopefully they will see the best.


11 posted on 09/04/2005 6:59:58 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Lorianne

Bad PR? That is what concerns you? I have not the words.

President Bush is being slowly crucified and is to blame for the actions of these animals that preyed upon the weak, the foreign, the white,the innocent blacks, the asians and others?

You view this horrific event through the prism of the tourist industry and "crime?"

Screw the PR and ponder this story.


12 posted on 09/04/2005 7:00:27 PM PDT by Hilltop
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To: Lorianne

Women in the US should be proficient in the use of small arms and packing at all times.

Too bad for the Aussies that they are not to be trusted with such devices.

Even worse for their tourists stuck in the mud here.


13 posted on 09/04/2005 7:00:41 PM PDT by mmercier (in what way princes must keep faith)
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To: Lorianne

Irrespective of what it was "really like" in the Dome, this particular reporter seems quite intent on writing "Heart of Darkness" into the experience.


14 posted on 09/04/2005 7:00:48 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Lorianne

Just amazingly Bad, so glad they got out ok.


15 posted on 09/04/2005 7:01:10 PM PDT by cmsgop ( I DON'T C.A.I.R. !!!!!!!!!)
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To: SkyPilot

If white women were being targeted for rape by black thugs I would say the onus of racism is not on the Aussies but on the black would-be rapists - or is that racist to admit?


16 posted on 09/04/2005 7:01:56 PM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: muawiyah

There was an article in a British paper from a woman that said blacks protected her in the dome.


17 posted on 09/04/2005 7:03:09 PM PDT by BurbankKarl (u)
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To: Lorianne

I think we'll be okay after the race-baiting DemocRATS and their toadies in the "media" brand these Aussies as "racists."


19 posted on 09/04/2005 7:04:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: SkyPilot

I just posted the article. I didn't write it.

What's your take on things?


20 posted on 09/04/2005 7:04:52 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Hilltop

Cool down. I've posted hundreds of posts on the other topics you mention.


21 posted on 09/04/2005 7:05:48 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: SkyPilot

It's the actual headline from an Aussie paper. It's safe to say "Our" means Australian.


22 posted on 09/04/2005 7:06:11 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Lorianne

Will you be going to Mardi Gras?


23 posted on 09/04/2005 7:06:17 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: Lorianne
It's a real shame to see people from other countries having to fear for their lives during a natural disaster in America.I know for a fact that if this kind of storm hit my community there wouldn't have been any scenes like we saw in NO.There might have been a handful of idiots but they would have been handled by the other 99% who consider helping a neighbor as a noble thing.In NO you had 90% scumbag criminal and 10% good citizen which are terrible odds.
26 posted on 09/04/2005 7:07:20 PM PDT by rdcorso (Bill Clinton Stuck His Cigar In Foreign Places And Called It Foreign Policy)
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To: Lorianne
"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot.

Last Sunday when all those thousands were queued up at the Superdome, it looked as though the people coming in were being thoroughly searched. I guess that wasn't the case after all.

Anyway, I remember FoxNews interviewing two tourists, one from Australia and one from England. They were very upbeat and optimistic about how things were going to go once they got inside. I remember thinking at the time that these were "babes in the woods". NO way would I have gone into that dome.

27 posted on 09/04/2005 7:07:43 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Mid-life crisis in progress...)
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To: SkyPilot

I'm pretty sure they mean Australian women. Still, it's strange that they use "our women" like that, IMO.


28 posted on 09/04/2005 7:08:00 PM PDT by JasonSC
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To: Hilltop
Screw the PR and ponder this story.

Oddly enough, this story gives me hope; they did what they had to do to survive. Sorely lacking in others.

29 posted on 09/04/2005 7:08:06 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Lorianne
"The gangs . . . knew where we were. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble."

If the Leftists should succeed with their lunatic agenda, the lights would go out all over the world, and everyone would be in deep trouble; the hellhole would be global.

Throwing the Democrats out of office and reversing the Leftist/Marxist/Democrat agenda must be the single most important concern of the American people.

30 posted on 09/04/2005 7:08:08 PM PDT by Savage Beast ("We can all learn from this Katrina thing" -NaughtiusMaximus)
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To: muawiyah
I read articles like this all last week, and yet I see footage of these same evacuees at the shelter at Baton Rouge and the Astrodome, and there are a lot of children, loving mothers, older women and religious, God-fearing men. I am beginning to resent stories that 98% of these people are predators. Maybe 2% were predators and I hope they were among the 5 or 6 state police shot and killed after they fired upon the Army Corps of Engineers contractors today.

But enough of characterizing the vast majority of them as predators!

31 posted on 09/04/2005 7:08:15 PM PDT by HateBill (Democratic Message: "Kiss Terrorist A*s" vs. Republican Message: "Kick Terrorist A*s")
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To: SkyPilot

Dipstick.


32 posted on 09/04/2005 7:08:20 PM PDT by Aznar5
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To: muawiyah
this particular reporter seems quite intent on writing "Heart of Darkness" into the experience.

And you think it wasn't? It was hell on earth for those people.

33 posted on 09/04/2005 7:08:52 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Sam's Army; Lorianne; MCCRon58
I am sorry--I didn't mean to be sound that way. It is no excuse, but I have been working the last 50 hours---I just checked FR and saw that headline.

Please get the word out--we have turned a corner. Gen Honore is in charge on the streets (the JTF Katrina Commander). He is not a man to be messed with, but he is full of sympathy. He is a Cajun, and has family in New Orleans.

The General also is the most eloquent cusser since Gen Patton in the history of the United States Military.

Take care.

34 posted on 09/04/2005 7:09:15 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: BurbankKarl
There was an article in a British paper from a woman that said blacks protected her in the dome.

Just wanted to highlight that.

35 posted on 09/04/2005 7:09:20 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg.)
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To: SkyPilot

"What do you mean by "our" Women? White? I object to this."

You sound like a Jesse Jackson or an Al Sharpton. If you bothered to read the source, you would see that it came from an Aussie. Get it?



36 posted on 09/04/2005 7:09:28 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Lorianne

Just be happy the Great Lakes are level and Detroit isn't flooded.


37 posted on 09/04/2005 7:09:46 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: Aznar5
Dipstick.

Oil Filter.

38 posted on 09/04/2005 7:10:26 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: JasonSC

Maybe it's racially protective. No what?


39 posted on 09/04/2005 7:10:33 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: Lorianne

"Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad. "

That sounds like a racial comment since 98% of the folks in there were black. Just a coincidence I'm sure.


40 posted on 09/04/2005 7:10:50 PM PDT by BadAndy (Yes liberals, I DO question your patriotism.)
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To: SkyPilot
It is no excuse, but I have been working the last 50 hours-

God bless you and hang in there.

41 posted on 09/04/2005 7:10:55 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: BurbankKarl

Got a source?


42 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:09 PM PDT by Aznar5
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To: Lorianne
These thugs represent the core of most liberal cities and the rot within it. Like a magnet the social handouts attract the worst of the worst.

The swinging prison doors only allow the same thugs to commit many crimes before they manage to spend there lives in jail where they belong. Liberal ideology is destroying America.

Make New Orleans the new city of new America with no handouts and strict law enforcement and watch it explode with Capitalism as the greatest city in America.
43 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:18 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: SkyPilot

God bless you. Check in and tell us how things are going.


44 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:18 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: kcar

By the looks of things, they're going to get away with it. This sickens me so bad I cannot tell you. What is worse, is the defense and the denial which follows.


45 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:20 PM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: sit-rep
Nobdy can tell me . . .

I suspect that's not a very good measure of the truth of a statement.

46 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:28 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg.)
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To: Lorianne

I am very embarrassed at the image American's are projecting across the world with these lawless thugs in NO. There is NO EXCUSE for this, and it ain't Bush's fault for sure. If a political party is to blame it sure isn't mine.


47 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:35 PM PDT by ladyinred (Leftist=Anti American!)
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To: HateBill
But enough of characterizing the vast majority of them as predators!

Then why didn't the "majority" stand up to the "minority?"

48 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:52 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Lorianne
"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives.

How about bringing some food and water?

49 posted on 09/04/2005 7:11:53 PM PDT by KittyKares
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To: SkyPilot

He's been kicking BUTT all over TV today; it's a joy to see!

Thank you for your work.


50 posted on 09/04/2005 7:12:33 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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