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To: Copernicus
In New Orleans, the evacuattion plan was particularly crucial because New Orleans was in the Storm Surge Zone, it was below sea level, its levies were only designed for a Category 3 and Katrina was forecast as a Category 5.

I just finished explaning the issue of "Storm Surge" to another Freeper who does not live in Hurricane Ally.

That post is reproduced below and I hope it is informative to those who think that a hurricane is a hurricane is a hurricane no matter where you happen to be.

"...... Where exactly you were going to suggest they take all these people?", he asked me:

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Well, being from ( X ), you probably have very little experience with hurricanes. Since my family has lived in Hurricane Ally for over 140 years, I do.

Where do you take those people?

OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE!!!!

ANYWHERE out of the Storm Surge zone!

It does not matter where they end up....in Baton Rogue, in Georgia, in Texas or in Timbuktu.

You get them the h#ll OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE!

"Ummm....What's a Storm Surge?", those who don't live in Hurrican Ally ask.

This is what a "Storm Surge" is": Post 11 of this thread

This is what a Storm Surge does:

This is how people who are left stranded in a Storm Surge area end up.....259 war veterans WPA workers aboard that train died in that 1935 Labor Day Hurricane :

The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane Storm Surge literally wiped the Town of Islamorada off the map.

A 1933 hurricane storm surge not only totally destroyed the Cuban town of Cayo Cristo and every human being and every building in that town. It also washed away the entire friggin' island! Afterwards, an entire ISLAND was no longer on navigational charts.

That is why the Mayor of New Orleans beat feet to Baton Rogue. Baton Rouge is OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE.

By contrast, New Orleans is not only in the Storm Surge zone but also BELOW SEA LEVEL. It's levies were not designed for anything greater that Category 3 and Katrina was forecast as a Category 5.

"But no city offered to take them in and ....whine, whine"

BRAVO SIERRA!

Eight hundreds thousand (800,000) other resident of New Orleans got out of the Storm Surge Zone and they were just absorbed into the rest of the United States.

Another 200,000 is totally irrelevant.

On top of that, Bush requested to Federalize the entire evacuation and the Democrat Governor refused.

The New Orleans Hurricane disaster plans called for COMPLETE evacuation of New Orleans precisely BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE STORM SURGE ZONE.

The Southern Louisiana Evacuation Plan specifically stated that people without private transportation were to be transported on public buses.

There were not just "200 buses". There were 200 buses in just one photo and Freepers studying the post-Katrina satellite images have counted over 400 buses altogether at other city parking.

At 70 people per bus that is 28,000 people per round trip that could have been taken out of the storm surge area in the 48 hours prior the Katrina striking.

After the storm hit, what makes you think that buses sent from outside of New Orleans could drive through the flooded mess any better than the 145 New Orleans city buses that were parked 1.2 miles away from the Superdome?

Was Scotty supposed to beam the outside buses to the Superdome and them beam them back out so that they would not have to drive through impassable roads?

The time to evacuate those 200,000 low-income people on public buses OUT OF THE STORM SURGE ZONE was BEFORE the Category 4 storm struck.

That was what the Southern Louisiana Evacuation Plan for New Orleans specifically called for.

The Democrat Governor and the Democrat Mayor did NOTHING to carry out that portion of the plan. They left 200,000 low-income resident abandoned and they now blame the Federal Government for not having Scotty beam down a massive logistics effort after a human disaster of their own making.

9 posted on 09/05/2005 12:19:42 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

Excellent explanation.

The first hurricane I ever recall was Carla in 1960. We lived in San Antonio at the time, yet it made an indelible impression upon me. I recall the winds, the rain, and hearing about threats of tornadoes. Yet we were 150 miles from the coast.

For the life of me, I dont know why Nagin or the governor didnt order NOLA evacuated much earlier. It wasnt like they didnt see it coming!


16 posted on 09/05/2005 12:29:48 PM PDT by texianyankee
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To: Polybius

Why don't you email your research to Joe Scarborough? at his Joe.Scarborough@MSNBC.COM address. He seems to think this is the President's fault.


26 posted on 09/05/2005 12:46:59 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Polybius


Excellent post. One of the best I've ever seen here.


28 posted on 09/05/2005 12:48:21 PM PDT by Nita Nupress ("LA Gov. Blanco said that Pres. Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation." (CNN))
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To: Polybius

Good work. It shows the truth.


30 posted on 09/05/2005 12:50:59 PM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: Polybius
The plan called for them to use the buses before the storm hit and flooding began to evacuate the poor and disabled. Idiot mayor did not even take the precaution to reposition the buses and other city vehicles to higher ground. Just in case don'tcha know?????

On Friday the 26th August, mayor said the storm would likely overwhelm the levees. On Saturday he suggested, then urged the city to evacuate, but he did not order, and then not enforce such an order. His legal department was afraid of being sued by the clubs and hotels for damages they would suffer if he compelled them to close their doors.

The NO mayor and gov of LA are total idiots reduced to blathering insane rants of everyone is to blame but them.
31 posted on 09/05/2005 12:55:44 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Polybius

Outstanding post!

New Orleans has become the dying example of why EXPERTICE, COMPETENCE, ABILITY and RESPONSIBILITY are the important criteria for selecting political leaders ----- NOT RACE.

The majority of ignorant voters in New Orleans and Louisiana elected the leaders that didn't lead them anywhere except into a watery grave.

Now, they're blaming everyone but themselves....
Actions have consequences..... Voting is important...
How do you prevent morons from electing FOOLS?

Semper Fi


46 posted on 09/05/2005 1:36:24 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Polybius

Excellent. Thank you. Storm surge. Bookmark


58 posted on 09/05/2005 6:12:50 PM PDT by Alia
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