Posted on 09/05/2005 12:39:30 PM PDT by Brilliant
You are right but those are a lot of 'ifs'. Many people, especially ones who have lived a life on government assistance, are not up to the task.
Please read my post # 57.
Ie, lots of southern blacks "fled" to the North, only to promptly return because the racism they encountered up there was much worse than home.
Even today, the most segregated cities are northern ones.
They talk a good game from afar.
I agree 100 percent; my first husband was from NE; they were worse bigots than the South ever thought about, IMO.
Heck, they hated Southern women!
My hubby and I were discussing the same thing today. These folks might find their new homes better than their old one. It might break the habit some of them have developed in their lives and actually give them a new start. I'm sure there will always be those on welfare but for others this might be a good thing in the end.
Well, it could be that a lot of those on government assistance might want to get off of it, now that they're someplace else. I have read so many interviews with people (poor blacks) who say they're glad to be out of NO and want to start a new life!
The thing with race hustling poverty pimps is that they get a lot of control over people, and I think these very people feel guilty about wanting to really get out there, kick off the government aid and make real lives for themselves. But having the bond forcibly broken makes it easier for them.
There's a thing among the poor, also, that they call the "crab effect." If you've ever gone crabbing and lifted a crab out of the bucket, you'll see that all the other crabs grab on to it. It's the same with poor people: when one of them starts to get ahead, all his friends, relatives and next door neighbors, most of them fresh out of jail, show up and grab onto him. This has set a lot of people free from their families, their friends and their past.
I'm not holding my breath.
Most cities proper have been taken over by....anyway...including Houston...burbs is where we live now...
Isn't it time to give that sort of thing a rest? Generations of Northerners assumed based on what they heard from the South that things were better for Blacks in the North. It was hard to argue with what they saw on the television news in the 1950s or the early 1960s. The riots of the 1960s and 1970s gave Northerners something to think about and you don't hear that sort of talk so often. Most of us have come to realize that the Northern states weren't particularly welcoming to African-Americans.
Indeed for the last 20 or 30 years, the assumption has been that Blacks do better in the South. But after what's happened in New Orleans, maybe we should give that sort of talk a rest as well. It's as smug and self-serving than the old assumptions Northerners had about the South. It doesn't look like the poorest in New Orleans were better off than the poor in Northern cities, or that worst-off have been more able to overcome the poverty of the past. It remains to be see whether or not the refugees who come North will make more out of their lives than they did in New Orleans.
If you didn't like the kind of assumptions Northerners made about the South, maybe you shouldn't make similar ones about Northerners. We keep hearing about how the South now isn't what it was a half-century ago. Fair enough, but you might reflect that the rest of the country has changed as well.
Study the civil war. Northerners hung and burned plenty of blacks in the North...during the war also. In fact, most of them were more racists than the South. I'm still waiting to hear how many folks VT and NH are going to take in from this.
That's why many kept going till they reached Canada.
Ditto Kansas. Now Detroit, DC, NYC, and California, those are real paradises, and if I was a NO refugee (sorry, "citizen"), I'd make a beeline for one of them.
Has Vermont put out the welcome mat?
It's no where near as hostile to live here (New York) as it was forty years ago. This is according to my mother. I've also observed it myself with different people. I've not been to the south but my mother's first encounter was not a happy one and left a bad impression. Now I think it's different because the good report from friends living down in North Carolina,Virginia,etc.
Frankie Yankovic Doggy Dog alert!
Residential patterns are different in the North than in much of the South, but I'm not sure that you can hang much on that. 93% of the students in New Orleans public schools were African-American, an indication that perhaps integration in the South isn't what it's cracked up to be.
Ie, lots of southern blacks "fled" to the North, only to promptly return because the racism they encountered up there was much worse than home.
Maybe, but living in a state where the Black population is larger may be attractive to many Blacks. Once segregation went, opportunities were greater in a city like Atlanta than in New York or Los Angeles. And there was a greater sense of being "at home" in the South.
That's quite a big plus after all the troubles of slavery and segregation, and something Southerners can be proud of. Surely, attacking the rest of the country takes something away from that achievement.
Now that is true Southern spunk!
Sure wish I had the video of that.
After the last week, Baton Rouge is already the largest city in Louisiana. I think it will stay that way.
For some people, the struggles over segregation in the Southern states are "ancient history" while Boston's desegregation and the Howard Beach attack happened just the other day. It looks like a double standard.
I'm not saying that things are better in the North. It may be that they are better in a lot of the South. But it depends a lot on individuals, and there's a lot of smugness in talking "we're better than you are" about things that are national in scope.
Like Seattle. Wa..?... LoL.. If its blue state you can pretty much assume the politics is very corrupt.. and if its a red state you can pretty much assume the republicans dont really care about voter fraud.. but they do, do the oblitatory whineing.. All to the absolute amazement of the Sandy Burgulars and Bill Clintons of this world.. Must be why we have so many Olympia Snowes, Chaffes, and Arlen Spectres.. parasiteing the "system".. and Big Easy Politicians rubbing their hands together at the future windfall of "federal HELP"... Not to speak of the Big Easy "cousins" of the politicians that will re-build the place.. at four times the going rate, maybe even 10 times the going rate for labor and materials(with the proper kickbacks)..
You know, like in every other major metropolitan area.. I can remember when America used to be a republic instead of the democracy that it has become.. i.e. Democracy being MOB RULE.. by mobsters all mobbed up.. RINOs chewing on the their cuds and faux competion between democrats and republicans..
But look at the demographic changes in southwest Houston. Sharpstown has changed quite dramatically in the last 20 years.
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