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Katrina could prompt new black "great migration"
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | September 5, 2005 | Adam Tanner

Posted on 09/05/2005 12:39:30 PM PDT by Brilliant

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To: FeeinTennessee

You are right but those are a lot of 'ifs'. Many people, especially ones who have lived a life on government assistance, are not up to the task.


61 posted on 09/05/2005 1:52:18 PM PDT by shattered
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To: Howlin
What is that suppose to mean?

Please read my post # 57.

Ie, lots of southern blacks "fled" to the North, only to promptly return because the racism they encountered up there was much worse than home.

Even today, the most segregated cities are northern ones.

They talk a good game from afar.

62 posted on 09/05/2005 1:53:19 PM PDT by Sometimes A River ("The leaves have broken on Lake Ponktran" - WKAT 1360 AM Miami Newsreader)
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To: Acts 2:38; SouthernFreebird

I agree 100 percent; my first husband was from NE; they were worse bigots than the South ever thought about, IMO.

Heck, they hated Southern women!


63 posted on 09/05/2005 1:56:54 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: etcetera
At the risk of being called a bigot, I must respectfully disagree. The New Orleans "refugees" just may find life better in their adopting cities. Or, if they are the welfare cases that some think they are, the coming "payments" for the disaster that some Black leaders are suggesting (like the payments to 9-11 families) may lead to a whole new cycle of welfare-ism in new localities. Time and events will tell.

My hubby and I were discussing the same thing today. These folks might find their new homes better than their old one. It might break the habit some of them have developed in their lives and actually give them a new start. I'm sure there will always be those on welfare but for others this might be a good thing in the end.

64 posted on 09/05/2005 1:57:34 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: shattered

Well, it could be that a lot of those on government assistance might want to get off of it, now that they're someplace else. I have read so many interviews with people (poor blacks) who say they're glad to be out of NO and want to start a new life!

The thing with race hustling poverty pimps is that they get a lot of control over people, and I think these very people feel guilty about wanting to really get out there, kick off the government aid and make real lives for themselves. But having the bond forcibly broken makes it easier for them.

There's a thing among the poor, also, that they call the "crab effect." If you've ever gone crabbing and lifted a crab out of the bucket, you'll see that all the other crabs grab on to it. It's the same with poor people: when one of them starts to get ahead, all his friends, relatives and next door neighbors, most of them fresh out of jail, show up and grab onto him. This has set a lot of people free from their families, their friends and their past.


65 posted on 09/05/2005 1:59:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: alarm rider
Maybe there is a silver lining in this cloud, that is if the good people of Lousiana have the stones to finally defeat the democrat machine.

I'm not holding my breath.

66 posted on 09/05/2005 1:59:22 PM PDT by Wolfstar (NOTE TO MSM: Each state is sovereign over its own territory. GWB is NOT king of the U.S.)
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To: Brilliant

Most cities proper have been taken over by....anyway...including Houston...burbs is where we live now...


67 posted on 09/05/2005 2:00:04 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: SouthernFreebird
Now they'll see some real racism.

Isn't it time to give that sort of thing a rest? Generations of Northerners assumed based on what they heard from the South that things were better for Blacks in the North. It was hard to argue with what they saw on the television news in the 1950s or the early 1960s. The riots of the 1960s and 1970s gave Northerners something to think about and you don't hear that sort of talk so often. Most of us have come to realize that the Northern states weren't particularly welcoming to African-Americans.

Indeed for the last 20 or 30 years, the assumption has been that Blacks do better in the South. But after what's happened in New Orleans, maybe we should give that sort of talk a rest as well. It's as smug and self-serving than the old assumptions Northerners had about the South. It doesn't look like the poorest in New Orleans were better off than the poor in Northern cities, or that worst-off have been more able to overcome the poverty of the past. It remains to be see whether or not the refugees who come North will make more out of their lives than they did in New Orleans.

If you didn't like the kind of assumptions Northerners made about the South, maybe you shouldn't make similar ones about Northerners. We keep hearing about how the South now isn't what it was a half-century ago. Fair enough, but you might reflect that the rest of the country has changed as well.

68 posted on 09/05/2005 2:01:07 PM PDT by x
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To: SouthernFreebird
but it's definetly left the impression on me that they are not as accepting of blacks as they want people to believe.

Study the civil war. Northerners hung and burned plenty of blacks in the North...during the war also. In fact, most of them were more racists than the South. I'm still waiting to hear how many folks VT and NH are going to take in from this.

69 posted on 09/05/2005 2:02:42 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TXBubba

That's why many kept going till they reached Canada.


70 posted on 09/05/2005 2:03:20 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Right Wing Professor

Ditto Kansas. Now Detroit, DC, NYC, and California, those are real paradises, and if I was a NO refugee (sorry, "citizen"), I'd make a beeline for one of them.


71 posted on 09/05/2005 2:04:39 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Brilliant

Has Vermont put out the welcome mat?


72 posted on 09/05/2005 2:06:08 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: x

It's no where near as hostile to live here (New York) as it was forty years ago. This is according to my mother. I've also observed it myself with different people. I've not been to the south but my mother's first encounter was not a happy one and left a bad impression. Now I think it's different because the good report from friends living down in North Carolina,Virginia,etc.


73 posted on 09/05/2005 2:07:48 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Right Wing Professor
"gangsta polka could be in your future!" Snarking until snot comes from my nose and tummy hurts laugh out loud alert!

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74 posted on 09/05/2005 2:09:32 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Acts 2:38
Even today, the most segregated cities are northern ones.

Residential patterns are different in the North than in much of the South, but I'm not sure that you can hang much on that. 93% of the students in New Orleans public schools were African-American, an indication that perhaps integration in the South isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Ie, lots of southern blacks "fled" to the North, only to promptly return because the racism they encountered up there was much worse than home.

Maybe, but living in a state where the Black population is larger may be attractive to many Blacks. Once segregation went, opportunities were greater in a city like Atlanta than in New York or Los Angeles. And there was a greater sense of being "at home" in the South.

That's quite a big plus after all the troubles of slavery and segregation, and something Southerners can be proud of. Surely, attacking the rest of the country takes something away from that achievement.

75 posted on 09/05/2005 2:20:51 PM PDT by x
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To: sweetliberty
A few days ago FOX News showed a very nice looking, young black girl. She said (paraphrasing) "I just lost my new house and everything in it. But I have my life, I still have my family, we're all safe. We'll just rebuild."

Now that is true Southern spunk!

Sure wish I had the video of that.

76 posted on 09/05/2005 2:27:13 PM PDT by Budge (<>< Sit Nomen Domini benedictum. <><)
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To: GAB-1955; hosepipe; Brilliant
There will be a New Orleans, but it's going to be a smaller city.

After the last week, Baton Rouge is already the largest city in Louisiana. I think it will stay that way.

77 posted on 09/05/2005 2:28:10 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: cyborg
Things have changed with time. People aren't as frightened of "outsiders" as their parents were, and they get along better.

For some people, the struggles over segregation in the Southern states are "ancient history" while Boston's desegregation and the Howard Beach attack happened just the other day. It looks like a double standard.

I'm not saying that things are better in the North. It may be that they are better in a lot of the South. But it depends a lot on individuals, and there's a lot of smugness in talking "we're better than you are" about things that are national in scope.

78 posted on 09/05/2005 2:33:52 PM PDT by x
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To: GAB-1955
[ Furthermore, would the corruption of Louisiana politics be tolerated in another, better-ordered state? I don't think so. ]

Like Seattle. Wa..?... LoL.. If its blue state you can pretty much assume the politics is very corrupt.. and if its a red state you can pretty much assume the republicans dont really care about voter fraud.. but they do, do the oblitatory whineing.. All to the absolute amazement of the Sandy Burgulars and Bill Clintons of this world.. Must be why we have so many Olympia Snowes, Chaffes, and Arlen Spectres.. parasiteing the "system".. and Big Easy Politicians rubbing their hands together at the future windfall of "federal HELP"... Not to speak of the Big Easy "cousins" of the politicians that will re-build the place.. at four times the going rate, maybe even 10 times the going rate for labor and materials(with the proper kickbacks)..

You know, like in every other major metropolitan area.. I can remember when America used to be a republic instead of the democracy that it has become.. i.e. Democracy being MOB RULE.. by mobsters all mobbed up.. RINOs chewing on the their cuds and faux competion between democrats and republicans..

79 posted on 09/05/2005 2:35:12 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: shield; Brilliant
Most cities proper have been taken over by....anyway...including Houston...burbs is where we live now...

But look at the demographic changes in southwest Houston. Sharpstown has changed quite dramatically in the last 20 years.

80 posted on 09/05/2005 2:35:19 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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