Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

FEMA is not a first responder - Don't be so quick to pillory the federal response in New Orleans
Pittsburgh Post Gazette ^ | Tuesday, September 06, 2005 | Craig Martelle

Posted on 09/06/2005 5:35:09 AM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy

Craig Martelle: FEMA is not a first responder

Don't be so quick to pillory the federal response in New Orleans. Immediate emergency management is primarily a local and state responsibility

Tuesday, September 06, 2005

As one who has received training by FEMA in emergency management and also training by the Department of Defense in consequence management, I believe that the federal response in New Orleans needs clarification.

 
    Craig Martelle, retired as a major in the U.S. Marine Corps, lives in North Huntingdon. He recently launched the Strategic Outlook Institute, a public-policy organization.  
 

The key to emergency management starts at the local level and expands to the state level. Emergency planning generally does not include any federal guarantees, as there can only be limited ones from the federal level for any local plan. FEMA provides free training, education, assistance and respond in case of an emergency, but the local and state officials run their own emergency management program.

Prior development of an emergency plan, addressing all foreseeable contingencies, is the absolute requirement of the local government --and then they share that plan with the state emergency managers to ensure that the state authorities can provide necessary assets not available at the local level. Additionally, good planning will include applicable elements of the federal government (those located in the local area). These processes are well established, but are contingent upon the personal drive of both hired and elected officials at the local level.

I've reviewed the New Orleans emergency management plan. Here is an important section in the first paragraph.

"We coordinate all city departments and allied state and federal agencies which respond to citywide disasters and emergencies through the development and constant updating of an integrated multi-hazard plan. All requests for federal disaster assistance and federal funding subsequent to disaster declarations are also made through this office. Our authority is defined by the Louisiana Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act of 1993, Chapter 6 Section 709, Paragraph B, 'Each parish shall maintain a Disaster Agency which, except as otherwise provided under this act, has jurisdiction over and serves the entire parish.' "

Phil Coale, Associated Press
Flooded school buses in a lot, New Orleans, Sept. 1.
Click photo for larger image.

Check the plan -- the "we" in this case is the office of the mayor, Ray Nagin who was very quick and vocal about blaming everyone but his own office. A telling picture, at left, taken by The Associated Press on Sept. 1 and widely circulated on the Internet shows a school bus park, apparently filled to capacity with buses, under about four feet of water. If a mandatory evacuation was ordered, why weren't all the taxpayer-purchased buses used in the effort?

Who could have predicted the anarchy resulting as a consequence? The individuals who devolved into lawless animals embarrass the entirety of America. (I worked in a U.S. Embassy overseas for a couple years and I can imagine what foreign diplomats are thinking.) What societal factors would ever lead people to believe that this behavior was even remotely acceptable?

The folks in New Orleans who are perpetrating the violence and lawlessness are not that way because of low income or of race, but because they personally do not have any honor or commitment to higher ideals. The civil-rights leaders should be ashamed at playing the blame game.

The blame is on the individuals. The blame is on the society that allowed these individuals to develop the ideal that the individual is greater than the national pride he is destroying. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was very clear in her comments that she was offended at those who suggested the suffering in New Orleans was prolonged because of race.

As a retired Marine, I hang my head in shame to see my fellow Americans degenerate so far. I spent so many years in the Corps helping the citizens of other countries rise to a higher level of personal responsibility to ensure that in case of emergency, anarchy did not necessarily follow. When people are held to a higher standard of personal responsibility and they accept that, then they will do the right thing when the time comes.

It seems that the mayor of New Orleans is leading the effort in not taking responsibility for his actions. The emergency managers for the state of Louisiana do not have much to say either. The failure in the first 48 hours to provide direction for survivors is theirs to live with. When FEMA was able to take over, it started out behind and had to develop its plan on the fly. Now the federal government has established priorities -- rescue the stranded, evacuate the city, flow in resources and fix the levee. It appears that now there is a plan and it is being systematically executed.

Hurricane Katrina was a national tragedy -- not just in the number of lives lost or the amount of physical damage, but also in the failure of people to do what is right when no one is looking.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: cary; fema; firstresponders; hurricane; katrina; katrinafailures; neworleans; relief
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-281 next last
HA-BANG! - That is the sound of the nail being hit on the head! I think what he wrote was dead-on.
1 posted on 09/06/2005 5:35:10 AM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

I thought Willie Green had rights to all Pitsburg Post content...


2 posted on 09/06/2005 5:36:25 AM PDT by YCTHouston
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

Femma Naz1 Blanco isn't a 1st responder either.


3 posted on 09/06/2005 5:37:05 AM PDT by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

big truth bump


4 posted on 09/06/2005 5:38:40 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

BTTT


5 posted on 09/06/2005 5:39:09 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

Didn't there used to be posts on FR that FEMA is going to take control of the United States?


6 posted on 09/06/2005 5:39:09 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I support the firemen, but not their cause.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: YCTHouston

I slip some in every now and then.

They usually have nothing worth posting - especially op-eds (Except for Jack Kelly). I don't know how these words of wisdom were slipped into the Post Gazette. Look for an editorial tomorrow that blames Bush for everything.


7 posted on 09/06/2005 5:39:14 AM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy (Be not afraid...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

bookmark.


8 posted on 09/06/2005 5:40:04 AM PDT by Alia
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

bump.


9 posted on 09/06/2005 5:41:03 AM PDT by michaelt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: hflynn
I'm listening to Blanco on FOX right now. She is not directly answering some questions by slightly changing the subject. When asked if Bush called her and asked her to evacuate she sais "that plan wds already in place" and did not directly answer the question.

In my opinion her days are numbered.

10 posted on 09/06/2005 5:41:58 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (If fire fighters fight fire and crime fighters fight crime what do freedom fighters fight?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...

Ping..


11 posted on 09/06/2005 5:44:21 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: InvisibleChurch

Probably after they saw the X-Files movie, LOL!


12 posted on 09/06/2005 5:44:48 AM PDT by dawn53
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy
This is all well and good. However, the American people and the victims of Katrina don't care about bureaucratic turf battles, organizational charts, and legalisms. The Federal government should have taken over as soon as the Red Cross was turned back due to security concerns. The situations at the Convention Center and Superdome should have been addressed immediately by sending in the 82nd airborne or Marines.

Chertoff and Brown are lawyers with little real executive experience directing large organizations. They were busy drafting up documents so that Bush could negotiate with Blanco. This is a lawyers' response not a leaders' reaction to a crisis. Initially, the Feds should have been more concerned about operational effectiveness assisting the victims than the regulations.

Several days into the crisis, GWB realized that there was a leadership vacuum. LtGen Honore also understood the need for leadership and seized the day. The Mayor and the Gov deserve the lion's share of the blame, but the Feds also dropped the ball initially.

13 posted on 09/06/2005 5:47:10 AM PDT by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy
Immediate emergency management is primarily a local and state responsibility

According to the mayor of NOLA, mayor's get their evacuation orders from the President.

14 posted on 09/06/2005 5:48:04 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

WOW! Who could've stated it any better than this? If they contrive a Katerina Commission, as the CLintons are adamnant to do, I hope that this is read daily to all members so they can keep their bearings!


15 posted on 09/06/2005 5:49:11 AM PDT by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: isthisnickcool

It's not Bush's fault she issued a voluntary evacuation order, and the mayor of NOLA wondered if he had such authority to issue an order, or if that authority came from the White House.


16 posted on 09/06/2005 5:49:51 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: BigSkyFreeper
The Mayor is wrong, in the Constitution of the United States, the Federal Government can not enter and take over anything unless the Governor allows it. She did not! Barbour and Riley asked the Feds in BEFORE the storm hit.
17 posted on 09/06/2005 5:50:50 AM PDT by defconw (ALLEN IN 08+Levin for Senate!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

Wow! This from the P-G? Who'da thunk it?


18 posted on 09/06/2005 5:51:45 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

BTTT = a sixteen inch round just hit the target.


19 posted on 09/06/2005 5:52:10 AM PDT by Loud Mime (War is Mankind's way of ridding the world of the tyranny caused by liberalism)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

BTTT


20 posted on 09/06/2005 5:52:13 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

I am sending this to Bobby Jindall and the Clintons.

I am so sick of hearing the Clintons and all the circling of the wagons.


21 posted on 09/06/2005 5:52:16 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

Sanity bump.


22 posted on 09/06/2005 5:58:11 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: defconw

The mayor's actions, as incompetent as they seem, are nothing more than casting blame where it shouldn't be, at the expense of thousands of citizens, many of them young, poor or infirmed.


23 posted on 09/06/2005 6:02:07 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Zacs Mom; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; ...

good bump


24 posted on 09/06/2005 6:02:26 AM PDT by bitt ('But once the shooting starts, a plan is just a guess in a party dress.' Michael Yon)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

good article, Thanks.


25 posted on 09/06/2005 6:02:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kabar

Despite what you think, the President does not have almighty powers. And imagine the uproar on here if he (or bill/Hillary Clinton) did.

The 82nd Airborne/Marines or any other military unit can not be instantly deployed by the President snapping his fingers and saying "Make it so." They must be mobilized, and that may take a few days to do - and it did.

What do we know about bureaucracies? They don't move fast - that's for sure. The federal government is the biggest bureaucracy around - it doesn't matter if we are talking DOD, State or DHS/FEMA.

The key point of the article is that emergency management is local and there is a process to kick it up to the feds. It is amazing that no one is mentioning that New Orleans and LA have long been known to be the most corrupt governments in the country (Philly gives them a run for the money).

What role did corruption and malfeasance of local officials in New Orleans play in this disaster? I can guarantee that it is a big part of the problem.


26 posted on 09/06/2005 6:03:00 AM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy (Be not afraid...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy
Don't be so quick to pillory the federal response in New Orleans. Immediate emergency management is primarily a local and state responsibility

I've been screaming this at my TV set as every airhead commentator, from Chrissy Matthews to Keith Olbermannnnnn to Jack Cafferty (et al ad nauseum) feign their smug high dudgeon over FEMA's failure to act --and NEVER ONCE mention the failure of the Louisiana GOVERNOR.

How come I know how emergency management is supposed to work, and all these guys don't? And I've never even lived in a hurricane zone!

Even Joe Scarborough, who's lived through several hurricanes, doesn't seem to know basic emergency civics. And we can't blame partisanship for his ignorance.

The only person I've heard who understands how the law works, with respect to deploying the National Guard, FEMA etc., before this article, is Tammy Bruce (substituting for Laura Ingraham last night).

27 posted on 09/06/2005 6:03:09 AM PDT by shhrubbery! (The 'right to choose' = The right to choose death --for somebody else.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: InvisibleChurch
***Didn't there used to be posts on FR that FEMA is going to take control of the United States?***

Actually in the 'old days', like when it was first created, they could - FEMA had the ultimate power and control in a National Disaster. It was pretty scary in the 'legal' power they had and what they could do. (relocation camps being one)

But then Willard changed it slightly with an EO by having 'his' AG Janet Rino having ultimate control over FEMA and then when the Homeland Security Dept was created FEMA was merged into that and became a subservient division.

28 posted on 09/06/2005 6:03:43 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: kabar
What part of "FEMA is not the 1st responder" do you not understand? FEMA works with the local government. They do not take control of the local effort. This case is an exception due to the magnitude of bungling by lack of local leadership.

How many years has the city had to prepare for this inevitable storm? Why did the mayor not have an effective evacuation plan? Why were hundreds of school buses allowed to be destroyed instead of filling them with people (at gunpoint if necessary) and moved?

In short I believe you are totally off base.
29 posted on 09/06/2005 6:04:15 AM PDT by zek157
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

The worm is definately starting to turn. I expect within a day or two the MSM mantra will be "Now is not the time to point fingers."


30 posted on 09/06/2005 6:04:43 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: kabar
"The Mayor and the Gov deserve the lion's share of the blame, but the Feds also dropped the ball initially. "

Wrong, the responsibility, by law, INITIALLY falls on local and state governments. The problem falls with depending upon any level of government to protect us. At best they are reactionary.

I would challenge any of the politically motivated scum doing all the pissing and moaning about slow (what is slow/what is fast?) response to come up with a better solution to a Cat 5 hitting a city, stupid enough to be built below sea level, with a stupid crime infested population, a mayor too stupid to use buses before they were flooded, a governor too stupid to request Federal assistance in a timely manner.

For the left, no time frame would be fast enough. They have to use this to beat the right over the head.

Without the 20/20 hindsight none of the "Feds were too slow" crowd would do anything different.

In the future the government response may be better thanks to the lessons learned by this disaster.

31 posted on 09/06/2005 6:07:05 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (I have the biggest organ in my town {;o))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

Kathleen Blanco is a social worker and ribbon cutter. She can manage Louisiana's legendary corruption. She cannot manage a real crisis. She raised six children. That's her field of expertise.

One freeper said her husband is the real governor


32 posted on 09/06/2005 6:07:18 AM PDT by dennisw (***)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy
Message from Dems, Libs, DUmmies, race-baiters, etc:

Stop making sense!


33 posted on 09/06/2005 6:07:37 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kabar

I will say that anyone who understood Louisiana history should have expected the local authorities to make a Charlie-Foxtrot out of things. This isn't Florida, not even close. That is legitimate criticism of the Feds in this matter. It is never "business as usual" when you are dealing with Louisiana politicos.


34 posted on 09/06/2005 6:08:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: zek157
How many years has the city had to prepare for this inevitable storm?

Given that Hurricane Camille slammed into NOLA on Aug. 17, 1969, I'd say NOLA had nearly 40 years to prepare itself.

35 posted on 09/06/2005 6:09:32 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: BigSkyFreeper

Camille "grazed" NOLA, not slammed it. Much smaller storm, Mississippi took the brunt of it.


36 posted on 09/06/2005 6:11:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

The media is just learning how their government works. LOL! The blame game is going to get very quiet.


37 posted on 09/06/2005 6:12:28 AM PDT by Lady Heron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FrPR

Pinguissimo per il calvo.


38 posted on 09/06/2005 6:15:41 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Louisiana: Democrats in Charge. Republicans in Responsibility)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy
Despite what you think, the President does not have almighty powers. And imagine the uproar on here if he (or bill/Hillary Clinton) did.

When you have an unprecedented disaster involving 90,000 square miles involving millions of people across several states, the Federal Government must take the lead. Damn the uproar if it means lives will be saved. That is what leadership is all about. If GWB (read FEMA and Homeland Security) had taken the lead earlier on, more lives would have been saved. GWB would have been lionized by the American people if he had taken this action. Besides, GWB is not running again for election.

The 82nd Airborne/Marines or any other military unit can not be instantly deployed by the President snapping his fingers and saying "Make it so." They must be mobilized, and that may take a few days to do - and it did.

They don't have to be mobilized. They are ready to go anywhere in the world with less than 24 hours notice. They should have been on standby before the hurricane hit.

The key point of the article is that emergency management is local and there is a process to kick it up to the feds. It is amazing that no one is mentioning that New Orleans and LA have long been known to be the most corrupt governments in the country (Philly gives them a run for the money).

That's what I am railing against--process. There is no doubt that the city and state governments are inept and corrupt. They are not unique. The bottom line is that we had thousands and thousands of Americans in mortal danger. Forget about the process and save lives. Let the chips fall where they may.

39 posted on 09/06/2005 6:16:18 AM PDT by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: FrPR

Pinguissimo per il calvo.


40 posted on 09/06/2005 6:16:38 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Louisiana: Democrats in Charge. Republicans in Responsibility)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #41 Removed by Moderator

To: kabar
This is all well and good. However, the American people and the victims of Katrina don't care about bureaucratic turf battles, organizational charts, and legalisms. The Federal government should have taken over as soon as the Red Cross was turned back due to security concerns. The situations at the Convention Center and Superdome should have been addressed immediately by sending in the 82nd airborne or Marines.

And then the democrats would legally impeach Bush, with just cause.You would figure out how quick certian people would love the law be broken by Bush. The feds: FEMA, National Guard, Army can not do anything until the Governor permits them in writing.

States have rights, that means they have responsibilities. The federal government took over when they were permitted and only did what the state agreed to.

42 posted on 09/06/2005 6:21:06 AM PDT by Lady Heron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

>Don't be so quick to pillory the federal response in New Orleans. Immediate emergency management is primarily a local and state responsibility<

This should be tatooed on the forehead of Howard Dean and his band of flying monkeys.


43 posted on 09/06/2005 6:22:44 AM PDT by Darnright ( Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

It is sad that the liberals in this country, who so love to depend on the federal government, do not understand how this country is actually run.


44 posted on 09/06/2005 6:22:46 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #45 Removed by Moderator

To: zek157
What part of "FEMA is not the 1st responder" do you not understand? FEMA works with the local government. They do not take control of the local effort. This case is an exception due to the magnitude of bungling by lack of local leadership.

What part of "unprecedented national disaster" do you not understand? The people on their roof tops and in their attics don't care a tinker's damn whether FEMA is a first responder or not. You can be right legally and process-wise and wrong about the bottomline--saving lives. FEMA stopped private individuals from going in with boats to save people.

How many years has the city had to prepare for this inevitable storm? Why did the mayor not have an effective evacuation plan? Why were hundreds of school buses allowed to be destroyed instead of filling them with people (at gunpoint if necessary) and moved?

Good questions. The blame game is fine, but it doesn't save lives during this crisis. The Feds should have acted sooner, i.e., immediately after the Coast Guard helos were shot at and the chaos at the Convention Center and Superdome were known.

46 posted on 09/06/2005 6:24:19 AM PDT by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: pittsburgh gop guy

BUMP!


47 posted on 09/06/2005 6:25:20 AM PDT by itslex71 (southern by birth, republican by the grace of my dad)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: kabar
-"The Federal government should have taken over as soon as the Red Cross was turned back due to security concerns. "

This is extremely easy to say, but it absolves all responsibility and accountability of the local and state agencies responsible for DEVELOPING and IMPLEMENTING 'their' disaster emergency plans, PLUS... constitutionally the State government (i.e. Governor) would have to relinquish jurishdictional control (i.e. "tantamount to declaring Federal martial law" accoring to Governor Blanco) over NO control to the Federal government.

48 posted on 09/06/2005 6:28:00 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: kabar

You are right Looters should have been shot Monday afternoon.


49 posted on 09/06/2005 6:32:30 AM PDT by zek157
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Lady Heron
And then the democrats would legally impeach Bush, with just cause.You would figure out how quick certian people would love the law be broken by Bush. The feds: FEMA, National Guard, Army can not do anything until the Governor permits them in writing.

This is what leadership is all about. Doing what is right regardless of the consequences. Bush would not have been impeached, at least as long as the GOP controls Congress. The President can federalize the National Guard and take emergency actions to protect Americans regardless of what state they live in. Let the Dems rail against Bush about states' rights when he is saving lives. The American people will support Bush, especially after the facts come out.

States have rights, that means they have responsibilities. The federal government took over when they were permitted and only did what the state agreed to.

Tell that to former Gov Wallace or the people of Little Rock. When the lives, safety, and rights of American citizens are in danger, the Federal government should intervene. You are using the process argument, which may be legally correct, but morally wrong.

50 posted on 09/06/2005 6:33:07 AM PDT by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-100101-150151-200 ... 251-281 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson