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How many do guns defend?
The Washington Times ^ | 9-6-05 | Larry Elder

Posted on 09/06/2005 11:57:26 AM PDT by JZelle

Joyce Cordoba, 46, stood behind the deli counter while working at a Wal-Mart in Albuquerque, N.M. Suddenly, her ex-husband -- against whom Mrs. Cordoba had a restraining order -- showed up, jumped over the deli counter, and began stabbing her. Due Moore, a 72-year-old Wal-Mart customer, witnessed the violent attack. Mr. Moore, legally permitted to carry a concealed weapon, pulled out his gun and shot and killed the former husband. Mrs. Cordoba survived the brutal attack and is recovering from her wounds. This raises a question. How often do Americans use guns for defensive purposes? In 2003, we know 12,548 people died through nonsuicide gun violence, including homicides, accidents and cases of undetermined intent. University of California-Los Angeles professor emeritus James Q. Wilson, a respected expert on crime, police practices and guns, says: "We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond a 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year. We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high 2.5 million or 3 million. We don't know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it's not a trivial number."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; concealedcarry; guns; larryelder
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To: TypeZoNegative

If you really want to know how to fight, avoid Aikido like the plague. No offense, but that's not fighting. I know; I spent two years in it.


21 posted on 09/06/2005 12:33:33 PM PDT by Rammer
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To: Rammer

What's a good compliment to TKD? I'm just wondering.


22 posted on 09/06/2005 12:35:00 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: TypeZoNegative
What are the stats if you are your own weapon, say you do some sort of martial art like Krav Magna, Brazillian Ju Jitsu or Hapkido?

I prefer one of the United States schools of martial arts. The premier school and still one of the best was started by a gentleman by the name of Browning another other fine schools were started by John C Garand. Springfield also has a good school. Springfield's school is so good that many other schools have copied his style of defense utilizing his classic seven projectile 19ll move. It is a killer move.

23 posted on 09/06/2005 12:35:05 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Rough Neck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast (Oil Field Trash was FUN))
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To: TypeZoNegative

Ah, Grasshopper! Gun Fu remains the most efficacious for self defense..


24 posted on 09/06/2005 12:38:16 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: TypeZoNegative
What are the stats if you are your own weapon
I have no idea, however (and I do stand to be corrected), Being your own weapon can be very handy in avoiding the legal hassle associated with a firearm, it does require a bit more "close quarter" combat than I would like.

Cordially,
GE
25 posted on 09/06/2005 12:40:30 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: TypeZoNegative

Find one of the following places to train if you want to add some grappling to your striking (TKD):

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (Of course I'm biased). Judo - that's an awesome art right there - one good throw on pavement and many folks will give up (I cross train Judo too, so of course I'm still biased) Also: submission wrestling (like Jiu Jitsu or Judo but without a gi) or freestyle/folkstyle/Greco Roman wrestling.

Any of those are good choices. One of the biggest reasons is the constant sparring. You will never learn to fight someone if you do not practice against real, live resistance. Katas and forms will not do.


26 posted on 09/06/2005 12:41:31 PM PDT by Rammer
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To: TypeZoNegative

correction: they train you to disarm an unwary opponent who is foolish enough to approach within three yards.

"point blank" for a pistol is (generally) the distance between fifteen and thirty yards. This term has to do with the dual intersection of the ballistic arc and the line of sight in a typical azimuth, wherein the elevation deviation in the distance betwen those two intersections is insufficient to cause deleterious effects on point of impact vis a vis point of aim.

despite the term "point blank" having a specific meaning, it is often mistakenly used as a synonym for "contact distance" or "arm's reach"

More importantly, "disarming moves" only work if your opponent is unwary, caught off guard, and has poor reflexife reactions. Use of a disarming move is a high-risk option, even for an expert.

Odds are good you will eat a bullet if you try it.


27 posted on 09/06/2005 12:42:51 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: xcamel

"The mere thought that someone might be armed, or is an "armed household" tends to keep opportunistic criminals out of ones hair."

Also works against dove hunters too close to your home. They sprayed the backside of my house a few times, got out my own shotgun, sprayed them back, no more hunters close to home and no criminal in neighborhood either.


28 posted on 09/06/2005 12:42:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: Rammer

shotokan.


29 posted on 09/06/2005 12:43:57 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: hiredhand

I had a friend who went to USC many years ago. Since student housing cost an arm and a leg, he decided to rent a house in Watts (yes, THAT Watts), because it was cheap -- even though there were drug dealers openly selling drugs on the corners half a block away.

Before moving in, he went to the range, and poked holes in paper targets with his shotgun. When he moved in, he used these paper targets to cover the windows of his house.

When he arrived home every day, he would park in his driveway, run around to the trunk of his car, get out his shotgun, load it, and then walk in the house. When he answered the door, he would have his shotgun in his hand. When he left for school, he would walk out with a loaded shotgun, look around, then unload it and put it into the trunk.

One evening, a car drove by and its passenger shot at his house. He grabbed his shotgun, filled with slugs and buckshot, and fired back, blowing out car windows and blowing off various pieces of the car as it sped off. When the police arrived, and asked him what happened, he just told them he was defending himself.

When he went out the next morning, he noticed that the drug dealers had moved waaaay down the block. When he arrived that afternoon, he noticed that half a dozen neighboring houses now also sported paper targets with holes covering their windows.

It very rapidly turned into a very peaceful neighborhood where he could study in peace and quiet in his low rent house.



30 posted on 09/06/2005 12:45:39 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: Mr. Mojo

I hope this disaster underscores the need for self protection AND less govt. which csn do no more harm than what big govt has done.


31 posted on 09/06/2005 12:47:43 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Mack the knife

"It very rapidly turned into a very peaceful neighborhood "

That is a great achievement.


32 posted on 09/06/2005 12:49:22 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Mack the knife

Yep. That's the way it works! Most criminals are opportunistic predators. They aren't going to THINK about encountering somebody with the ability and attitude to issue deadly force. It's proven itself time and time again.


33 posted on 09/06/2005 12:51:44 PM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: spanalot
I hope this disaster underscores the need for self protection AND less govt.

It underscores it alright, but don't count on that translating into any gov't shrinkage. The GOP establishment is as enthusiastic about big gov't as the Donkeys are.

34 posted on 09/06/2005 12:52:05 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: TypeZoNegative
Cool, what style of TKD? I have a high purple belt in the Songahm style of TKD. I cross trained for a year and a half to further develop my kicking arsenal. I have black belts in American Budo, which is an ecclectic style that combines American boxing with traditional Japanese karate, and Gosoku Ryu karate which is a Shotokan derivative. I also hold belts in the Matiyoshi style of Kobojutsu, Modern Arnis, Ju Jitsu, and Judo.

I've been studying martial arts since the 3rd grade. I came home from school one day with a big lump on my jaw where a kid had hit me. My father asked me what happened, and I told him. Then he asked me what I did, and being the honest soul I am, I said, "I cried Daddy." I started Judo before the week was up.

35 posted on 09/06/2005 12:56:06 PM PDT by Melas (The dumber the troll, the longer the thread)
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To: Rammer

lol!


36 posted on 09/06/2005 12:59:27 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: TypeZoNegative

If you are in Minneeapolis, here are some places that are worthwhile to check out (for grappling and even more):

http://www.mmaacombatzone.com/index.htm

Team Bison (no fees or dues): http://www.bisons.net

Also, Dave Menne has a place called Minnesota Combat Arts, (UFC fighter) - I think this is the number but I'm not sure and I can't find a webpage: (651) 336-2777


37 posted on 09/06/2005 1:02:00 PM PDT by Rammer
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To: Melas

Why in the world did you ever forsake a great sport like Judo for Tae Kwon Do? That makes no sense whatsoever.


38 posted on 09/06/2005 1:03:52 PM PDT by Rammer
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To: Rammer

"If you really want to know how to fight, avoid Aikido like the plague. No offense, but that's not fighting. I know; I spent two years in it."


I thought that's what Steve Segal did? I obviously don't know squat, just thought I read that somewhere.


39 posted on 09/06/2005 1:14:43 PM PDT by JZelle
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To: TypeZoNegative

Sorry to be a pest, but the more I read about Greg Nelson the more I think you should go there if you really want to know how to fight.

He's competed in Muay Thai (real kickboxing, which is effective, especially in comparison to TKD) and is one of the FEW BJJ black belts in the US.

http://www.mmaacombatzone.com/


Really, you need to go there. Really.


40 posted on 09/06/2005 1:17:59 PM PDT by Rammer
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