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New Orleans myths: The numbers tell a different story
The American Thinker ^ | September 6th, 2005 | Richard Baehr

Posted on 09/06/2005 12:37:16 PM PDT by Tolik

There will be plenty of time to argue about who was responsible for the slow response in New Orleans this week in dealing with those who did not choose to leave, or were unable to leave the city before the hurricane hit. The catastrophe that followed, when the levees gave way, and 80% of the city, and many of the surrounding suburbs flooded, was far worse than the hurricane itself.  Already many seem to have forgotten that New Orleans officials thought they had escaped Katina’s wrath as the storm moved north from the Gulf on Monday, prior to the levees giving way. 

The nation will have to deal with an extraordinary human tragedy now, with well over a million people displaced, hundreds of thousands of jobs lost on the Gulf Coast, and a cleanup and recovery process that will take many months in New Orleans and Mississippi. This of course has not prevented major broadcast media, from Brian Williams to Bob Schieffer to Tim Russert, from angrily demanding answers for why the show of federal force came 48 hours later in New Orleans than it might have.

Almost everybody now agrees that things changed dramatically on the ground over the weekend. Almost all people in the two big holding centers of the Super Dome and Convention Center have been evacuated, and the lawlessness on the streets has ebbed a bit. Some estimates are that New Orleans is now a ghost town, with fewer than 1,000 residents left of its nearly half million population.

Certainly the human tragedy in the city is and has been gruesome - in the Super Dome alone there were at least 6 murders, and 12 rapes among the enclosed evacuees, and bodies have been seen floating in the flooded streets of the city. The death toll is unknown, possibly in the thousands, and illness afflicting some of those who survived, but were living in or around stagnant and polluted waters will take a further toll over time.  

But in retrospect, while those 48 lost hours provided the world and nation some awful pictures, clearly there was a media obsession of sorts in choosing to focus on the Super Dome and the Convention Center, when the havoc caused by the hurricane and the flooding was much more widespread, and encompassed several states.  And this obsession fed into some of the quickly emerging story lines - that blacks and the poor were left behind, that the federal government did not care, that Bush did nothing until too late, and so on. Not unexpectedly, the media has been much harder on Bush, a Republican, than it has been on the Governor of Louisiana or the Mayor of New Orleans, (both Democrats) who have been treated as victims of federal mismanagement of the crisis, rather than participants and agents in whatever bureaucratic or administrative errors or failures occurred. 

But the real human story of this tragedy will play out in the months ahead: the huge effort to deal with so many displaced persons (many far from their original homes), and so many people out of work, is just beginning. This is a much larger story and much more significant than the 48 lost hours in evacuating the Super Dome, where perhaps 3% of those affected by the storm and its aftermath were temporarily housed. But the pictures and stories of the work ahead will not be as dramatic as those of this past week. Cleanup and rebuilding never is.  The highest network and cable TV ratings have already occurred for this story. And the future story does not offer the media as much low hanging fruit in their systematic effort to turn this into their conventional story line – that Bush is at fault.

Some of the coverage and the charges that have been made this week are flat out wrong, or grossly misleading, and deserve attention.

Reality #1: A very high percentage of the population of New Orleans and surrounding low lying areas were successfully evacuated before the hurricane hit. An article in 2002 in the New Orleans Times-Picayune explored the hurricane-induced flooding scenario and estimated that 200,000 residents of the city would be stranded by such an event. A Houston Chronicle article from 2001 estimated that 250,000 residents would be stranded. That is over 40% of the population of the city, which stood at 484,000 in 2000.

A recent poll of New Orleans residents revealed that an even higher percentage, 60%, would remain in the city even if ordered to evacuate with a major storm on the way. The Mayor New Orleans, Ray Nagin, estimated that at least 80% of his city's residents were out before the hurricane hit Monday. In retrospect, this must be considered a major positive achievement.  How did it happen? Though you won't hear this on NBC, CBS or CNN, the National Hurricane Center urged President Bush to request that the Governor of Louisiana and Mayor of New Orleans order a complete evacuation of New Orleans. Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin agreed, and this order was given over the weekend, two days before the hurricane hit. All day Saturday and Sunday, as the TV news networks were in the midst of their all Katrina, all the time coverage, the pictures were of bumper to bumper traffic heading out of town in all directions.

If 80% of New Orleans got out before disaster hit, instead of 40% or 60%, that is an additional 100,000 to 200,000 residents who were spared the worst of this week's trauma. For this the President deserves credit, which he will not receive. Remember that the focus all week has been on the slow response to assist the 20% who did not get out.  There is plenty to criticize in what happened this week for the 20% left behind, but it does not diminish the achievement in getting 80% of the residents of the city to safety before the storm hit.

Reality #2:  The basic major media premise all week has been that the 20% who were left behind were all black, and poor and the rich got out of town. This is simply put, nonsense – and racist. New Orleans is a poor city (more than twice the national poverty rate). Most of those who got out of town were not rich, and were not driving SUVs, as Tim Russert sneered on the air Sunday (in a disgracefully-conducted interview with Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff). 

A little elementary math will address this canard. According to the 2000 census, New Orleans' population of 484,000 included approximately 136,000 whites, and 326,000 blacks.  The white figure includes 7,000 Hispanics who classify themselves as white on the census forms. If 80% of New Orleans residents got out early – and this is the Mayor's number – then only about 97,000 residents remained. Assume all of them were black, (which of course they were not). That would mean that 229,000 blacks got out early, and 136,000 whites along with them. In other words, the successful mass evacuation substantially benefited black residents of the city.

At least 70% of black residents of New Orleans got out of the city before the storm (assuming 100% of those left behind were black), and undoubtedly more than that (since all those left behind were not black). It is almost certainly the case that the great majority of those who were left behind were black. There are obvious reasons for this, including the fact that New Orleans is overwhelmingly a black city to begin with. 

Another factor is that 35% of black residents of New Orleans do not own automobiles, while 15% of white residents do not. So to the extent that getting oneself to the highway was the best method to get out of out of town, blacks were disadvantaged.  That is where local officials failed. With many hundreds of school buses available, the city chose to provide safe shelter for those who did not or could not leave town in the Super Dome. Close to 30,000 people moved there.

These people would have been much safer, and had a much better week, had they been bused out of town. But for this one, you can't blame FEMA, or Homeland Security or George Bush.  So too, why move 30,000 people to an enclosed space and not provide enough water, and food for them for a few days?

Louisiana has one advantage over every other state for this kind of catastrophe. A higher percentage of Louisiana residents were born in their state than is true in any other state (79.2%). So many of those who left the city or could have been bused out may have had relatives living elsewhere in the state. This obviously enabled some to get out of town without the financial worry of having to pay for hotels, restaurants, etc. Many in New Orleans may have stayed on because their monthly government check, whether social security or welfare, would come at the start of the month.  While this concern would be very real for those living check to check, getting people to safety and housing them in shelters, and having the Red Cross to feed them and provide medicine, would have been a lot better for the residents than staying behind. In this case, the evacuation message was incomplete. Putting the city buses on the road and taking people to specific destinations where help was available, was not communicated as a viable option, and would have been better than taking people to the Super Dome. 

As of today, almost 300,000 people are now in shelters in Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Tennessee, just to name five states. Many of these people drove out, not knowing what would await them where they went. So the insecurity about what comes next was still there for many of those who left by car. As to the charge that Bush and his administration did not do enough because they do not care about blacks, as charged by an angry, and obtuse rapper Kanye West on an NBC benefit show, one should not have to dignify the charge with a response, though both Bob Schieffer and Tim Russert felt obligated to repeat this slander on the air while interviewing Secretary Chertoff Sunday.

Reality #3: The destruction from the storm affected far more whites than blacks. This is the ultimate answer to the racism charge that Bush did not do enough because the victims were black. If more whites than blacks were storm and flood victims, and the federal response was slow, than I guess by this logic, the response was insufficient because Bush is a racist towards whites. As James Taranto pointed out Friday, in his opinionjournal.com column, the three Mississippi counties that were hardest hit - Hancock (home to Pass Christian), Harrison (home to Biloxi and Gulfport), and Jackson (home to Pascagoula and Ocean Springs) are among the whitest counties in Mississippi, the  state with the highest African American percentage of the population in the country (36.3% in 2003).  But in these three counties, the white population in 2003 was estimated at 280,311, and the black population was 71,070, a white to black ratio of 4 to 1, much higher than the overall ratio in the state of about 5 to 3.

Similarly, Senator Mary Landrieu of Louisiana acknowledged, as did Congressman William Jefferson, who represents much of New Orleans, that the storm, and the flooding did not choose victims by race. Four of the five parishes worst hit in the New Orleans area flooding, Jefferson, Plaquemines, St. Bernard and St. Tammany, are majority white (ranging from 67% to 88%).  Only Orleans Parish (New Orleans) is majority black (67%).

One can be unhappy with the federal response (and with the local and state response, though if one is in the same political party as the state and local officials, one tends to be quieter about it), and not assume that racism is at the bottom of what did or did not happen. That demagogic route, is always the option of a Jesse Jackson or an Al Sharpton, but this week that view was shamefully echoed by  major media voices, who should have known better. For Brian Williams and comrades, the only victims this week were the blacks in the Super Dome and Convention Center, who were forced to wait an extra few days to get out due to bureaucratic incompetence, or worse, an uncaring attitude by the federal government.  When a storm like this hits, it will always hit harder those with less mobility: the elderly, the infirm, the poor. These people are more vulnerable, and need help. They do not need the race card.

Reality #4: There were many victims of the storm this week that the media largely ignored. On the Mississippi coast, the hurricane caused damage we expect to see from a big storm, but far worse than last year’s Florida hurricanes.  Buildings, both commercial and residential, cars, boats, and roads were leveled or destroyed by the powerful 145 mile per hour winds.  Many areas of the Gulf Coast have been unreachable, even without the major flooding that occurred in the New Orleans area. In low lying areas of Louisiana near the coast, there are also communities  that have not been reached yet, where many likely died.

New Orleans got almost all of the attention this week, in part because it is a major media market, and all the broadcast news reporters were there to report the coming storm.  Another reason might be that Mississippi has a Republican Governor Haley Barbour, who could not be relied on for the desired interview sound bytes trashing President Bush. The media went for the easy story, those left behind in New Orleans, and shifted to the “Bush is to blame” game.

The Tim Russert interview of Michael Chertoff on Meet the Press was all blame game. Chertoff wanted to talk about the immense challenges ahead. Russert wanted to know who would be fired for the 48 hour delay. Chertoff explained that when Bush said the levees bursting was a surprise, he meant that the surprise was that the levees burst after the storm appeared to have passed the city, and spared it, not that the levees could never break down and flood the city under any circumstance. Russert went out of his way to ignore Chertoff’s explanation, and instead mock Bush’s statement at every opportunity.

This is a guy who some think is a respected journalist? Laughable. None of this is to excuse mistakes that may have occurred at all governmental levels this week. But this catastrophe was on a scale not before seen in our history in terms of population displacement. And there is little chance of the displaced returning to their homes or cities any time soon. A disaster of this magnitude is an enormous and very sad story and a huge challenge for government, businesses, and the citizenry at all levels. This is not the same as relocating lawyers driven from the World Trade Center to new offices in Midtown, some of whom were billing again within days.  The people at the Super Dome had a miserable week. So did many others you did not hear about or see. 

Reality #5: The lawlessness in New Orleans was more of the same for a city that has always had a very high crime rate.   Start with the widespread looting, which the media tended to ignore or apologize for as acts of desperation.  This was not entirely simply desperation. Desperation may lead people to steal milk, water, diapers, and medicines. Under similar circumstances as occurred this week, many of us might steal the things needed to feed and care for our families and ourselves. But Nikes, flat screen TVs, and guns are bit different. Both the perpetrators and victims of the violent crime wave in New Orleans this week were overwhelmingly African-Americans.

New Orleans is always at or near the top in the national ranking for murder rate. The rate of murders per thousand residents there has been ten times the national average in recent years. This high murder rate cannot be explained by poverty, and demographics. New Orleans’ murder rate is also ten times as high as New York City’s, a city once thought ungovernable, which also has a large majority of non-white residents. But New York Citt has managed to reduce its murder rate by 75% in 12 years, and now has overall crime rates much lower than most European cities (where sophisticates spent the week sneering at America’s incompetence and racism).

New Orleans has a small police force, only 1,400, and they were unable or unwilling to deal with the outbreak of looting, shootings, and rape, while at the same time trying to help with rescue operations and move people to safety. But the city, in which corruption and crime has always been rampant, was unusually ill equipped to deal with the kind of catastrophe.

Reality #6: There were enough National Guard forces in the region and nation when the hurricane and flood hit, and our commitment in Iraq did not prevent an adequate response by the Guard.  This was the first phony charge made by the left when the crisis hit: that Iraq was damaging the Guard’s ability to respond. There are over 30,000 National Guard forces plus federal troops in the region at the moment.  Somehow the Guard could be found (and did not need to bee sent home from the Middle East), and they are making a huge difference.

Again, James Taranto has laid out the numbers, but in brief, Louisiana had twice as many Guard forces in the state than were committed overseas. The same is true for Mississippi. Louisiana Governor Blanco fumbled the ball by not quickly securing National Guard reinforcements from other states (which were offered), given a governor's role in administering the paperwork required to get other National Guard units from other states to her state’s rescue.   The New York Times reported  on Monday that Governor Blanco has still not signed the paperwork to give federal authorities administrative control of the recovery effort, despite their large presence in the state since Saturday. It will not and should not only be FEMA’s head Michael Brown who needs to answer tough questions about what may have gone wrong this week in the first few days after the flooding occurred.

Reality #7: While the news media have focused on a few modest appropriation cuts for New Orleans levees and water control, they have largely ignored the fact that the major reconstruction project that would provide more than a temporary fix to the city’s sinking condition, has been stalled for years. The big problem, as even the New York Times admits, is that the Louisiana coast is disappearing . Almost 2 million acres have disappeared in 75 years (the size of Delaware and Rhode Island combined).  And this has not been caused by global warming, or greenhouse gases, just as the number and severity of hurricanes are not related to these two twin towers of evil either. Each year, an area the size of Manhattan disappears. As the Times explains:

The problem, in a nutshell, is this: the Louisiana coast, its protective fringe of barrier islands and coastal marshlands, is disappearing. Over the last 75 years, 1.9 million acres have vanished. Every year, another 25 square miles, an area roughly the size of Manhattan, sinks quietly beneath the waves. In some places, the coastline has receded 15 miles from where it was in the 1920's.

The soil in the delta compacts and sinks naturally. Historically, however, the Mississippi replenished the loss with sediment gathered from its many tributaries and then deposited like clockwork in the delta with the spring floods. Or so it did until 1927, when Congress ordered the Army Corps of Engineers to find ways to control the floods so as to make the river safe for farming, homes and commerce.

As it would later do in the Everglades (with equally disastrous results for the Florida ecosystem), the Corps then proceeded to construct a network of dams, levees and canals throughout the river basin. The upstream dams reduced the river's sediment load well below historical levels; the sediment that remained, while considerable, was then routed away from the Louisiana coast by a system of levees and navigation channels. The effect of all these engineering changes was to hurry the river along and, at its mouth, propel its contents deep into the Gulf of Mexico, as if shot from a cannon, bypassing the coastal marshes and barrier islands that most needed its nourishment.

Add to all this the demands of a growing population, plus thousands of miles of pipes and canals dug through the marsh for a booming oil and gas industry, and the result was inevitable: a shrunken, degraded and essentially defenseless landscape.

Congress has a $14 billion proposal designed to reverse this process, to restore the wetlands that provide buffers against storms. This would also help keep the city of New Orleans from continually sinking further below sea level.  But Congress has chosen other big projects as worthier of its attention. The Big Dig, a $15 billion project to bury two miles of a highway in central Boston was the favored public works project that President Clinton awarded Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy.  The Everglades has a $7 billion project to accomplish some of what needs to be done in the Mississippi River basin.

It makes little sense to rebuild New Orleans and have it remain as vulnerable as it has been. Chicago learned from its great fire of 1871, and San Francisco built new structures differently after its earthquake in 1906. To solve New Orleans’ real issues will takes many billions and a lot less corruption than normal in the state.  Quibbling over small budget changes has been another opportunity for some to accuse the Bush Administration of causing this disaster, as is now the comically-predictable standard operating procedure in the MSM. For the record, the levees which broke had recently been reinforced and repaired.

The mythology on Katrina is now out there: only blacks were victims, Bush ignored the city because of this, the levees broke because of Bush budget cuts, the response was inadequate because the National Guard was in Iraq.  In all case, these are new urban legends. 

For some, what happened this week is a big plus. It has weakened the President politically, and that is all that matters. The President and his team are certainly not blame-free. But if some people think that dealing with what happened this week could have been straightforward, clear, clean and quick, they are divorced from reality. America has never lost a major city before.

If all of New Orleans had been evacuated before the storm hit, there would still be horrendous human suffering. The city is now one of ghosts, but many hundreds of thousands need help in temporary homes and shelters around the country, getting their lives back in order, dealing with the interregnum until they can decide whether to return  to the home region and start life anew, assuming the city and surrounding areas are safe and open to them sometime in the future. Federal, state, and local regulations will require extensive and expensive clean-up of what now amounts to a massive toxic waste site in the flooded areas of New Orleans. Let the talking heads discuss how to deal with this reality.

Richard Baehr is the chief political correspondent of The American Thinker.


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KEYWORDS: hurricane; katrina; katrinafacts; mediabias; neworleans; richardbaehr
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1 posted on 09/06/2005 12:37:17 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

What 'slow response'?


2 posted on 09/06/2005 12:38:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...

Very Informative!

This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for the perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author all 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of the good stuff that is worthy of attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately  on  my page.
You are welcome in or out, just freepmail me (and note which PING list you are talking about). Besides this one, I keep 2 separate PING lists for my favorite authors Victor Davis Hanson and Orson Scott Card.  

3 posted on 09/06/2005 12:38:46 PM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Bump for a more in-depth reading later.
4 posted on 09/06/2005 12:41:42 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for posting this. It's a long article, but I hope people take a look because it has a lot of good points and more importantly, facts to back them up.


5 posted on 09/06/2005 12:42:34 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: Tolik
for the slow response in New Orleans this week
I'm not sure that the starting premise is correct.

GE
6 posted on 09/06/2005 12:43:45 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Tolik

To bad our "esteemed" news media will ignore this.


7 posted on 09/06/2005 12:45:31 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Tolik

Are you fudgin' the numbers, Cookin' the books? :D hehe


8 posted on 09/06/2005 12:45:46 PM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: Tolik
there were at least 6 murders, and 12 rapes among the enclosed evacuees

How does this compare to similar period of time in NO before Katrina?

9 posted on 09/06/2005 12:46:15 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Tolik
Good article.

I just pray that this whole incident teaches the government a bit about disaster response, and the citizen a lot on being self reliant.
10 posted on 09/06/2005 12:46:36 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: BenLurkin

Lisa Ling (formerly of "The View") was on Oprah's show today. One of the FIRST things out of her mouth was (paraphrasing here, but only a little) "I wonder, if this had happened to a community of afflurent white people, would it have taken *so* long for help to arrive for them?"

All disgust aside, it isn't too hard to tell that Lisa is Limosine Lib from Manhattan, is it?


11 posted on 09/06/2005 12:46:48 PM PDT by lotsaguns
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To: Tolik

The heavily editorialized "news" by all stations is a tragedy in itself. It is another disgraceful example that nothing is off limits when it comes to bias in the media. I do not exempt FOX NEWS from this "dog pack" mentality either.


12 posted on 09/06/2005 12:46:49 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Tolik
GREAT article and spot on.

Here's my Lessons learned form the Katrina disaster and tragedy

13 posted on 09/06/2005 12:48:11 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tolik

I predict that when the water recedes, we will see a whole lot of cars in the flooded neighborhood where nobody owns a car because they are too poor. While there will be dead bodies, I don't expect tens of thousands. I do expect 1,000 - 1,500, which should NEVER happen in this country when we have the resources LIKE SCHOOL BUSES AND CITY BUSES to get people out in time.


14 posted on 09/06/2005 12:50:49 PM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: Colonial Warrior

Ping


15 posted on 09/06/2005 12:50:54 PM PDT by Hushpuppie
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To: Tolik

bttt


16 posted on 09/06/2005 12:51:16 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Nuthin' ain't worth nuthin', but it's free.")
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To: lotsaguns
"Lisa Ling (formerly of "The View") was on Oprah's show today"


Damn, back in Highschool she was on "Channel One" a new program they made us watch after during second period. Good to see she grew up and did nothing with her life.
17 posted on 09/06/2005 12:52:48 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Tolik

I blame Nagin. He failed to lead. End of discussion.


18 posted on 09/06/2005 12:55:32 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Tolik

New Orleans was fortunate in that the levees held for the time they did. Imagine the human loss if they had been breached on Monday morning.


19 posted on 09/06/2005 12:55:54 PM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: Tolik

Maybe Russert should be the one fired.


20 posted on 09/06/2005 12:56:53 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Tolik

Good post. On a directly related note, an October 2004 National Geographic article.

http://205.188.130.53/ngm/0410/feature5/

"The chances of such a storm hitting New Orleans in any given year are slight, . . ."


21 posted on 09/06/2005 12:56:56 PM PDT by tumblindice (Just give us the science and the facts and save the BS for the "environmentalists".)
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To: Tolik

for later


23 posted on 09/06/2005 1:02:32 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: Tolik

We keep hearing about the Levees were blt for a Cat 3 and not a Cat 4 or 5 when Katrina hit. However, as is noted here katrina didn't hit N.O. directly and the number of "dodging the bullet" claims. Yet the levee didn't break during the storm, it broke after the storm had passed over. I heard one report that someone saw a large ship or barge that was lose and hit a levee and caused the breach, makes sense to me.


24 posted on 09/06/2005 1:04:41 PM PDT by jbwbubba
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To: Tolik

Good article, thanks


25 posted on 09/06/2005 1:04:51 PM PDT by brothers4thID (Do you stand with us, or are you going to just stand in the way?)
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To: Tolik

Later read.

Red6


26 posted on 09/06/2005 1:05:34 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Tolik

marking


27 posted on 09/06/2005 1:08:32 PM PDT by r-q-tek86 (Mind Like A Steel Trap - Rusty And Illegal In 37 States)
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To: Tolik

Bump.


28 posted on 09/06/2005 1:12:16 PM PDT by Rocko ("The ratio of damn fools to villains is high." -- Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Tolik

Excellent, thanks!


29 posted on 09/06/2005 1:13:44 PM PDT by Archytekt
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To: Tolik
The Administration needs some talking points and I think they should be:
"This was not a sudden catastrophe and those people should not have been in the way of this storm."
30 posted on 09/06/2005 1:14:10 PM PDT by msnimje (CNN - Constant Negative Nonsense)
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To: Tolik

A little elementary math will address this canard. According to the 2000 census, New Orleans' population of 484,000 included approximately 136,000 whites, and 326,000 blacks. The white figure includes 7,000 Hispanics who classify themselves as white on the census forms. If 80% of New Orleans residents got out early – and this is the Mayor's number – then only about 97,000 residents remained. Assume all of them were black, (which of course they were not). That would mean that 229,000 blacks got out early, and 136,000 whites along with them. In other words, the successful mass evacuation substantially benefited black residents of the city.

A year ago I never heard of the American Thinker. They've become prolific in their writing and I've been enjoying reading their stuff.


31 posted on 09/06/2005 1:14:14 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Tolik

It's so extremely shameful and despicable that the democrats are smelling Bush and republican blood from the outcome of this disaster and considering hurricane Katrina as a victory for their side. Like always, they hope for disasters and war losses to try to make political gains. Meanwhile, they hope nobody notices that the biggest mistakes were made at the local levels of governments which were led by democrats.

'Shameful' and 'despicable' should always be the terms that should be used in the disctionary to describe democrats.


32 posted on 09/06/2005 1:17:11 PM PDT by adorno
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21

ping!


33 posted on 09/06/2005 1:17:23 PM PDT by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: Tolik

I keep hearing people say that the federal government's response had it's faults... Can someone point them out to me?

It really doesn't seem to me like they dropped the ball. I don't think the the levee failing after the fact could have been forseen, so it's not surprising that it cought everyone off guard.

However, I'm not sure what the federal government could have done better. It takes a lot of time to move supplies and equipment into place, and they we probably vastly underestimating the need because they expected that New Orleans would stock it's evacuation centers at least somewhat.

You would have also thought that the city of New Orleans would consider the fact that they eventually had to move the people out of the Superdome and would have moved the school buses that were a little over a mile away to the superdome and out of the area that they knew would flood if the levee broke.

If the federal government made a mistake, it was their assumption of at least minimal competence of the local government who has been repeatedly warned of this threat and has been supposed to have been planning for this for decades.


34 posted on 09/06/2005 1:18:21 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Tolik

I knew an intelligent break down would be forthcoming.


35 posted on 09/06/2005 1:24:39 PM PDT by Feiny (I am not mean. You're just a sissy.)
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To: Muzzle_em
...which should NEVER happen in this country when we have the resources LIKE SCHOOL BUSES AND CITY BUSES

Don't forget satellites, radar, and extremely accurate predictive modelling. Imagine back in the day before all of that. How many days advance notice did the Governer have to at least get the busses ready?

36 posted on 09/06/2005 1:27:35 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"- Harry M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927)
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To: untrained skeptic
You would have also thought that the city of New Orleans would consider the fact that they eventually had to move the people out of the Superdome and would have moved the school buses that were a little over a mile away to the superdome and out of the area that they knew would flood if the levee broke.

Does anyone have something like an hour by hour map of the flooding? It took a couple of days between when the levee/canal walls started to break and when the water in NO was at the same level as the lake. During that time you could see the water rising. How many hours did it take before the buses were in too deep to use?

37 posted on 09/06/2005 1:39:52 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (We need a strict constructionist - not someone who plays shadow puppet theatre with the Constitution)
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To: Tolik

ping


38 posted on 09/06/2005 1:43:37 PM PDT by pfony1
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To: Tolik
Fellow Freepers:

At the suggestion of writer Michelle Malkin last Friday, I have cobbled together a blogsite called Texas Clearinghouse for Katrina Aid to serve as a clearinghouse for refugee efforts in Texas.

Texas is getting more refugees than any other state -- that's fine, we'll take them all -- but we need help providing them with food, clothing, and shelter.

If you are a refugee, you can information that will help you find relief. If you want to donate or volunteer, you can find someone who needs you.

Right now the site mostly covers Houston and Dallas but I will add various churches, schools, and other charities in San Antonio and Ft. Worth tonight. My wife is down at Reunion Arena in Dallas as we speak handing out care packages and otherwise ministering to the refugees as a representative of her employer.

There are a lot of churches and other organizations in Texas that need help in dealing with the problem and I would be most appreciative if you would get the word out.

Many thanks,

Michael McCullough

Stingray blogsite

39 posted on 09/06/2005 1:48:34 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Tolik
Reality #8:

The MSM has focused all of its energy on the blue state of Louisiana while ignoring the Red States of Alabama and Mississippi. In their warped book this is prima facia evidence of bigotry. Race baiting and bigotry baiting is an easy game to play.

40 posted on 09/06/2005 1:48:36 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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Thanks, skeptic, I was going to ask that question, too. I'm sure that there are examples of mistakes - "Oops, we sent the wrong box of supplies!" - but I haven't been able to find any lists of large-scale goofs that would warrant even a tenth of the criticism.
41 posted on 09/06/2005 1:49:09 PM PDT by Famishus (Riding my bicycle in the piscatorial parade.)
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To: Famishus

"If we'd come in on Monday we'd be victims instead of rescuers" - Lt. Gen. Ri=ussel Honore


42 posted on 09/06/2005 1:50:24 PM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Tolik

Only problems: Dems can't do simple math.


43 posted on 09/06/2005 1:51:06 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Tolik

"The mythology on Katrina is now out there: only blacks were victims, Bush ignored the city because of this, the levees broke because of Bush budget cuts, the response was inadequate because the National Guard was in Iraq. In all case, these are new urban legends. "

Not mythology, a tapestry of lies. The media has been busy pumping the DNC line against Bush with the help some conservative commentators like the manic-depressive Mike Savage. Imus and Russert were disgusting this morning repeating the divisive lies about the role of race in this disaster. At one point Russert was questioning why tent cities weren't put up in advance. He apparently had not considered how a tent city would fare when the hurricane arrived. What a brilliant man.
As I have posted before, why bother having state and local governments if the Feds are supposed to be responsible for everything. Just disband them and save the tax dollars and bureacracy. An entire state govt was completely impotent (the governor in tears and the Mayor of the largest city freaking out) but Bush is at fault. It's enough to make your head explode.


44 posted on 09/06/2005 1:58:10 PM PDT by BadAndy (Yes liberals, I DO question your patriotism.)
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To: Muzzle_em

The numbers I am fearful of are how many will be found in attics. Apparently in some areas the water rose very rapidly and people headed for the 2nd floor, then as the water continued rising into the attic. How many took a crow bar or other tool to break through the roof?

Then how many were able to survive the heat in an attic for 48 or 96 hours?

Also when the water started receeding, how many hips and legs were broken dropping back down from the attic? You don't have to be very old or unskilled at jumping to break a hip dropping down from the ceiling to the floor.


45 posted on 09/06/2005 2:09:17 PM PDT by B4Ranch (The New World Odor is UN-American)
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To: lotsaguns

THE BLACK mayor had no problem ignorning the black people. He had no problem there. It sems to me that anyone with good sense would have had some waste cans ready for these people, and someone to clean the toilets and the floors.

Ane when he learned that the electricity stopped, did he not know that these people still would have to go to the toilets and need food and water? Just what did he not understand? There was feces everywhere and urine soaked floors, and no way to even wash ones hands. Did no one have any brains after the hurrican hit? WHY did the people in the SUPERDOME have to wait for 700 people from the Hyatt Hotel board first? I suppose that was some more of the black mayors ideas too.

I am not so sure that we have had one accused of plotting against his own yet, but this might be the first case of this. With his master's degree this black mayor could not stoop to help the poor black people so much in grave need.



46 posted on 09/06/2005 2:26:44 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: jbwbubba

I just posted on another thread if any one saw that report and then I click on this one and start reading and you answered my question.

Go to Gathering Storm For The Media and click on # 63 post and you will find my question and my thoughts.


47 posted on 09/06/2005 2:31:56 PM PDT by Freedoms Chaser (Doing the "right thing" builds character...doing the "wrong thing" breeds corruption.)
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To: Tolik

BTTT


48 posted on 09/06/2005 2:54:14 PM PDT by Buzwardo
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To: lepton

bookmark bump


49 posted on 09/06/2005 3:07:03 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: namsman

Worth the read - ammunition for you-know-who.


50 posted on 09/06/2005 3:15:32 PM PDT by SW6906
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