Skip to comments.SAN FRANCISCO Pro-gay approach tried on battleship skeptics
Posted on 09/07/2005 2:27:18 PM PDT by dukeman
There's a new battle plan for bringing the battleship Iowa to San Francisco.
The battleship's supporters now hope to gain the support of city leaders by turning part of the vessel into a museum about the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy and the contributions of gays, lesbians, ethnic minorities and women to the military.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Better it goes up river to Stockton. To hell with San Francisco.
I thought it had been decided to move the ship to ... er... was it Stockton? Or Sacramento? I forgot the city name, but it was somewhere inland from San Fagsisco.
Why involve these people?
It's Bush's fau...Nevermind.
I would rather it were turned into scrap metal than to see a proud ship used for such a purpose.
I strongly suspect that the U.S. Navy will not go along with turning this glorious battleship into a sleazy monument for gay rights...
Let's have a rainbow celebration!
The Gay Left Lobby seems to control the agenda of the People's Republic of California.
It would be wonderful to host such a historic ship in the Bay Area, next to the Pampanito WWII sub, paddle wheel and other Tall Ships.
Its hard to imagine getting the support of the city's activist board without this "compromise". I only hope that they can be balanced in the presentation.
Actually, the Navy later quietly determined in drop tests that "overramming" the powder into the gun's breech is what most likely caused the explosion.
It's about as anti-military as it gets.
I suggest that the Iowa have one last gunnery practice on SF as it enters SF Bay on its way to retirement!
Everyone here hold your fire until you give this some consideration. Around the time of the Iowa explosion, we had a more serious military problem, the utter uselessness and corruption of Naval Intelligence, which first tried to blame the explosion as sabotage by a rebuffed gay sailor.
Testimony shot that explanation out of the water and an apology was issued to one of the families as another poster explained.
My recollection of what investigators think went wrong is that they were experimenting with smaller explosive packages in an effort to save money.
A civilian investigation later came up with the overramming powder scenario.
Neither unwelcome ramming scenario was proven to have been the cause, but the conclusion of the civilian investigation became the favored one.
There must be a few more port towns more suitable and respectful of the memories of these great ships.
I don't think you should be bringing up overramming in a gay activist thread.
That's correct. Sandia National Laboratory conducted the second round of tests after the initial Navy report was panned in Congress. In July 1989, experiments conducted at the Dahlgren Naval Surface Warfare Center on behalf of Sandia dramatically confirmed that over-ramming could create
pressures that would cause premature detonation when full-scale drop tests resulted in a violent explosion of 16-inch powder bags. Sandia's report concluded that the explosion appeared to result from improper training, inadequate supervision, and possibly defective equipment. However, experts at Dahlgren and at Sandia continued to disagree as to whether the Iowa incident was an accident or an intentional act. Eventually, CNO Admiral Kelso issued a statement indicating there was no proof of an intentional act and that it was improper to leap to conclusions blaming a deceased individual for an accident. The Navy apologized to Hartwig's family, and the whole thing was then swept under the rug.
It's a technical term concerning gunnery operations, and I hadn't appreciated the unfortunate irony of the word when I replied to 'dead.' No deliberate entendres were intended.
Sooooo. Being an ethnic minority and/or a woman are sexual perversions?
I have a lot more confidence in the ONI initial conclusions than after all the pressure from the politicians that forced their preferred conclusion.
It was a matter of first finding an acceptable P.C. conclusion then build the facts to match.
BLAST FROM THE PAST! LOL!
We agree on this.
I think the final round of target practice was also an interesting idea.....
"The linked article doesnt mention the 47 crewmen who died in an explosion aboard the Iowa. Depending on which investigation you believe, that explosion may have been triggered intentionally by a sailor turned suicidal because of the disintegration of a homosexual shipboard romance."
The "investigation" that concluded that was about as impartial as the 9/11 Commission--in both cases, people who were directly responsible for decisions that led to the catastrophe were put in charge of the investigation.
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