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Oil Tumbles After Inventory Report
CNN ^ | September 8, 2005: 10:40 AM EDT | staff

Posted on 09/08/2005 8:01:19 AM PDT by kellynla

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Oil futures fell below $64 a barrel Thursday after a report showed a smaller-than-expected drop in petroleum stockpiles following major disruptions in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

Crude stocks fell by 6.4 million barrels, gasoline stocks fell by 4.3 million barrels and stocks of distillates decreased by 800,000 barrels, according to the The Energy Information Administration.

Analysts were looking for a drop of 6.4 million barrels of crude, 6.2 million barrels of gasoline and 2.6 million barrels of distillates, according to Reuters.

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U.S. light crude for October delivery slipped $1.27 a barrel to $63.10 on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Extended News
KEYWORDS: energy; gasprices; oil
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1 posted on 09/08/2005 8:01:21 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Looks like it's back up to 64.40.


2 posted on 09/08/2005 8:03:26 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: kellynla

Bush's Fault.


3 posted on 09/08/2005 8:03:26 AM PDT by JimWforBush (Alcohol - For the best times you'll never remember)
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To: kellynla

Be good to see the bubble burst. Have to wait and see.


4 posted on 09/08/2005 8:03:33 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: kellynla

Liberals and wingnuts hardest hit...


5 posted on 09/08/2005 8:04:05 AM PDT by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: JimWforBush

Dang right it's Bush's fault. After all, Haliburton invaded Iraq for the oil and all.


6 posted on 09/08/2005 8:05:48 AM PDT by glock rocks ("We will deal with looters ruthlessly." - Haley Barbour)
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To: kellynla

Check again --- it went right back up a few minutes later.


7 posted on 09/08/2005 8:05:49 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: glock rocks

Now we can pull out of Iraq. Because of Katrina, all of Bush's puppetmasters at Halliburton will be satisfied with the business they get for the reconstruction.


8 posted on 09/08/2005 8:07:36 AM PDT by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: WOSG

Thought you might find this interesting after our short discussion about shorting oil futures.


9 posted on 09/08/2005 8:08:14 AM PDT by Sthitch
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To: shuckmaster

I gt the feelng a lot of people stayed home
this Labor Day weekend.


10 posted on 09/08/2005 8:08:25 AM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: kellynla

WE'RE DOOMED!

Falling gas prices will spike more SUV sales and more car travel, increasing greenhouse gases and global warming, heating the oceans and melting the ice caps, causing more hurricances and floods, and killing millions of poor innocent people because George Bush wants to destroy the world!


11 posted on 09/08/2005 8:08:37 AM PDT by Thrusher (Remember the Mog.)
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To: glock rocks

"Dang right it's Bush's fault. After all, Haliburton invaded Iraq for the oil and all."




and Bush whipped up the hurricane


12 posted on 09/08/2005 8:08:43 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: kellynla

Let's see - pipelines were offline, therefore reducing the demand from storage. Refineries were offline, reducing the demand from storage. Platforms were offline, reducing the filling of storage. Refineries are coming back on line. Pipelines are back on line. Oil platforms still offline. Check with me after the next storage numbers come out...


13 posted on 09/08/2005 8:10:26 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: sure_fine
Bush whipped up the hurricane

Huh? I thought it was the Japanese mafia.

14 posted on 09/08/2005 8:11:31 AM PDT by glock rocks ("We will deal with looters ruthlessly." - Haley Barbour)
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To: NickatNite2003
I gt the feelng a lot of people stayed home this Labor Day weekend.

Agreed. I drove from Chattanooga to Atlanta via I-75 and returned on Monday to see the Braves. The traffic, to say the least, was very light.

A friend drove the same route Saturday and reported same light traffic on I-75.

15 posted on 09/08/2005 8:11:58 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Confirm justice Roberts!)
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To: kellynla
NY Mercantile Exchange current quotes (10:45 ET)

Crude Oil - 63.50
Gasoline - 1.99

Heading in the right direction.

16 posted on 09/08/2005 8:12:40 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: kellynla
Oil futures fell below $64 a barrel Thursday ...

And RATS are on a suicide watch.

17 posted on 09/08/2005 8:13:08 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: glock rocks
Dang right it's Bush's fault. After all, Haliburton invaded Iraq for the oil and all.


Yeah, and where is that damn oil? It would probably be enough to make up for the shortfall here after Katrina, but probably Haliburton sold it as "Food for Oil" to the people in the Super-DOOM, Blanco and the Mayor of NOLA!??!
18 posted on 09/08/2005 8:13:54 AM PDT by danamco
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To: Thrusher

Dr. Dean, is that you?


19 posted on 09/08/2005 8:14:32 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Chuck54

AAA in our area (Washington DC) reported a significant drop in the number of automobiles on the road this past weekend. It would be interesting to see how much this decline in demand has affected the price change at the pumps since then.


20 posted on 09/08/2005 8:15:07 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: Thrusher
WE'RE DOOMED!
Falling gas prices will spike more SUV sales and more car travel, increasing greenhouse gases and global warming, heating the oceans and melting the ice caps, causing more hurricances and floods, and killing millions of poor innocent black people because George Bush wants to destroy the world!


There, fixed it for ya.
21 posted on 09/08/2005 8:15:11 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: kellynla

Heading down? Can I get a refund then?


22 posted on 09/08/2005 8:15:13 AM PDT by Dazedcat
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To: yankeedame
"And RATS are on a suicide watch."

I'll bring the popcorn.

23 posted on 09/08/2005 8:16:16 AM PDT by pigsmith
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To: green iguana

Won't be the next figures that will be important, it'll be the ones 2 weeks hence. The name of the game now is damage assessment for the underwater pipe.


24 posted on 09/08/2005 8:20:39 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: COBOL2Java

I've always contended when a certain price for gasoline is reached a tipping point would occur. People would just say, enough is enough, and quit pleasure driving, become very conservative, walk short distances, buy a bicycle, etc and supplies would increase, therefore driving down prices.

I didn't have an exact price in mind, but the past week indicates it may be the $3.00 per gallon price. Could be lower but time will tell.

The exciting part of this is the oil cartel may be shooting themselves in the foot with the high prices and the public may enjoy walking, biking, less driving etc. Hope so.


25 posted on 09/08/2005 8:20:48 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Confirm justice Roberts!)
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To: kellynla

Those +$3/gal prices ought to be tumbling any time now.

Yep, any time.

Yea, right.


26 posted on 09/08/2005 8:23:29 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: kellynla

People are driving less. I know this, that if my wife and I talk about driving less or making less trips, then that probably means that every family in the US is having the same conversation, and at least 75% of them will make slight changes to their driving habit.
Slight changes add up to a noticible decrease in demand.

Price target according to my crystal ball is 2.50 a gallon by October.


27 posted on 09/08/2005 8:23:39 AM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: Chuck54
I've always contended when a certain price for gasoline is reached a tipping point would occur. People would just say, enough is enough, and quit pleasure driving, become very conservative, walk short distances, buy a bicycle, etc and supplies would increase, therefore driving down prices.

But, if the oil companies respond by lowering prices and then people resume their old driving habits, won't the prices just go right back up again?

28 posted on 09/08/2005 8:23:40 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname
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To: kellynla

Who cares how much crude they pump? We can only refine so much. If Bush wanted to be bold, he would issue an EO to suspend environmental regs on refinery construction and related industries for 6 years, in order to get new refineries online and under construction. The goal 12 new refineries--that's 2 per year.


29 posted on 09/08/2005 8:25:35 AM PDT by BlackjackPershing (Laissez les bon temps roulez)
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To: kellynla
Something to do with a rather sharp reduction in commuter traffic along and through the Gulf Coast?
30 posted on 09/08/2005 8:29:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: Chuck54
Fairly good primer on the economic concept of elasticity: ELASTICITY. Gasoline demand tends to be inelastic, but if as you say people discover adequate substitutes for driving, that may change.
31 posted on 09/08/2005 8:30:44 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Many Democrats are not weak Americans. But nearly all weak Americans are Democrats.)
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To: atomicpossum

"Be good to see the bubble burst. Have to wait and see."

I wouldn't hold your breath.


32 posted on 09/08/2005 8:32:08 AM PDT by quantfive
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To: BlackjackPershing
Ya know my father was with Black Jack when he was down in Mexico chasing Poncho Villa around and then on to France in WWI...and no, I don't know if the "pig story" in the Philippines is true or not. LOL

I agree with you though about the refineries...there hasn't been a new refinery built since 1976!
33 posted on 09/08/2005 8:33:40 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: quantfive
I wouldn't hold your breath.

How could you hold my breath?

34 posted on 09/08/2005 8:34:11 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: quantfive

Prices almost unchanged on the day...


35 posted on 09/08/2005 8:34:28 AM PDT by BigMacGOP
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Prices already are tumbling. I saw a $.25 per gallon drop at a couple of stations in our area over about 48 hours.


36 posted on 09/08/2005 8:35:33 AM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: shuckmaster
That's Bush's fault too. He controls oil prices with a playstation joystick. The Crazy Prankster.
37 posted on 09/08/2005 8:36:24 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ("No wonder [Bob Denver's] dead. Bush left him on that island." -NRO)
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To: Carry_Okie
Something to do with a rather sharp reduction in commuter traffic along and through the Gulf Coast?

Which was almost certainly offset by the constant hum of generators along that same corridor.

38 posted on 09/08/2005 8:36:41 AM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Chuck54

Thinking about this thread, and being reminded
of the old round pumps with big bulbs on top,
instead of the rain roof supporting column ones
we have now, or the older box like ones...i thought
"and oh yeah, back then, *all* of the gas stations
were 'Full Serve'...i can't remember how long it's
been since i've been to a gas station that had
a 'Full Serve *line*, much less was *all* 'Full Serve'..
It's gortta be at least 7 or 8 years, and that station has since shut down....

When was the last time you can remember going to a gas station and getting your gas pmped, your windows cleaned,
your fluids topped off, and your tires checked, without getting out of your car?


39 posted on 09/08/2005 8:37:28 AM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: Blood of Tyrants

We're down to $2.89/gal now (yesterday), from a high of about $3.30.


40 posted on 09/08/2005 8:38:24 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: Chuck54

"I didn't have an exact price in mind, but the past week indicates it may be the $3.00 per gallon price. Could be lower but time will tell."

I think your right about that price. $2.25 didn't break the bank of people but $3.40 and up sure did! If the American consumer can sustain $2.25 we should move to biofuels now.


41 posted on 09/08/2005 8:38:49 AM PDT by quantfive
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To: NormB

My wife decided to grocery shop twice a month instead of every week. I'm sure lots of women are making that choice. If gas goes back to about $2.75/gallon, she'll resume her old routine.


42 posted on 09/08/2005 8:39:29 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: NickatNite2003

here in my neck of the woods in Illinois we have two stations that are full serve and sell gas at the same price as Caseys or BP. They even wash your windows and check your oil.


43 posted on 09/08/2005 8:45:17 AM PDT by lakeman (when a marine kills the only thing he feels is the recoil of his rifle)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Gas prices in SE Wisconsin peaked at $3.49 and are now as low as $2.99. I'd say that's a tumble. Now it just needs to keep going.


44 posted on 09/08/2005 8:49:40 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
But, if the oil companies respond by lowering prices and then people resume their old driving habits, won't the prices just go right back up again?

Could happen, but if one changes driving habits, the price could remain lower.

I'm retired and have an SUV, Accord, and a Mazda Miata. Make a guess which vehicle ALWAYS remains in the garage now. Changed my driving habits and found out all the room and comfort was not a requirement in getting from point A to B.

The Miata works just fine and is great on gas. So with the Accord.

45 posted on 09/08/2005 8:49:42 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Confirm justice Roberts!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Hey! I am in the Granite State also!

I hear ya. It doesn't take a lot to decide against going for that long drive and staying home and doing other things around the house instead.

Still this is Bush's second term and we still don't have a decent energy plan. Or tort reform, what is he awaiting for?


46 posted on 09/08/2005 8:51:35 AM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: NickatNite2003

I think they still pump it for you in New Jersey. My daughter lived there for a brief time and said it was the law I think. No self service.

Bet the fluids and air wasn't checked though. :)


47 posted on 09/08/2005 8:52:02 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Confirm justice Roberts!)
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To: green iguana
. Oil platforms still offline.

You were doing pretty good until you got to that one. You must rely on the main stream media for your news.

48 posted on 09/08/2005 8:52:45 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: kellynla
Could be a phoney memo----but how many people would believe this?

WND Exclusive BLACK-GOLD BLUES Big Oil's secret strategy to gush profits exposed Memos purportedly show refiners sought to limit ops to spike price of gasoline Posted: September 8, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joe Kovacs © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

A consumer group is publicizing a series of memos marked "highly confidential" alleging major oil companies – including Mobil, Chevron and Texaco – intentionally limited their refining capacity in order to raise gasoline prices and increase profits. Map shows path of Hurricane Katrina. Oil rigs are marked in black, with refineries as colored barrels (courtesy iMap Data Inc.) The revelation comes as Americans have seen a major spike in prices at the pump in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, while "the oil industry blames environmental regulation for limiting number of U.S. refineries." The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights released three memos that purportedly demonstrate a nationwide effort by the American Petroleum Institute to encourage major refiners to close refineries in the 1990s. "Large oil companies have for a decade artificially shorted the gasoline market to drive up prices," said Jamie Court, president of the FTCR, who successfully fought to keep Shell Oil from needlessly closing its Bakersfield, Calif., refinery this year. "Oil companies know they can make more money by making less gasoline. Katrina should be a wakeup call to America that the refiners profit widely when they keep the system running on empty." The internal memoranda themselves have been made public before, in a 2001 investigative report by Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., who this week said the primary reason for sky-high prices is that "the government isn't in the consumer-protection business anymore." Much of U.S. paying at least $3 per gallon in wake of Hurricane Katrina The memo from Chevron states: "A senior energy analyst at the recent API convention warned that if the U.S. petroleum industry doesn't reduce its refining capacity it will never see any substantial increase in refinery margins. ... However, refining utilization has been rising, sustaining high levels of operations, thereby keeping prices low." It continued to discuss how major refiners were shutting down their refineries. The Texaco memo disclosed how the industry believed in the mid-1990s that "the most critical factor facing the refining industry on the West Coast is the surplus of refining capacity, and the surplus gasoline production capacity. (The same situation exists for the entire U.S. refining industry.) Supply significantly exceeds demand year-round. This results in very poor refinery margins and very poor refinery financial results. Significant events need to occur to assist in reducing supplies and/or increasing the demand for gasoline. One example of a significant event would be the elimination of mandates for oxygenate addition to gasoline. Given a choice, oxygenate usage would go down, and gasoline supplies would go down accordingly. (Much effort is being exerted to see this happen in the Pacific Northwest.)" The state of Washington subsequently did away with its ethanol mandate, requiring greater quantities of refined fuel to fill the gasoline volume occupied by ethanol. FTRC says the Mobil memorandum from 1996 evinces the company's successful plan to keep smaller refiner Powerine from reopening its California refinery. It notes much of the hardships created by California's refinery rules came at the urging of the major oil companies, not the environmental groups blamed by the industry. The other alternative plan discussed in the event Powerine did open the refinery was "... buying all their avails and marketing it ourselves" to insure the lower price fuel didn't get into the market. Meanwhile, the API is urging Americans to adjust their driving habits to consume less fuel. "We know that Hurricane Katrina's effects on our industry are having a nationwide impact through skyrocketing prices for gasoline and other fuels," API president Red Cavaney told the House Energy and Commerce Committee yesterday. But he warned, "Congress should not repeat the mistakes of some past energy policies by trampling the structures of the free marketplace by imposing new controls, allocation schemes, or other obstacles, which will only serve to make a bad situation much worse." U.S. refineries were thrust into the spotlight after Hurricane Katrina plowed through the Gulf of Mexico last week, impacting operations for at least four refineries. "Those four that appear to have suffered major damage, it will be a matter of months [for repairs]," said Guy Caruso, head of the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Bob Slaughter, president of the National Petrochemical & Refiners Association, is hoping the refineries can return to service as soon as possible, but he told the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, "Employee safety and overall safe startup and operation concerns are paramount. Significant flooding and damage still affects some facilities. "However, some refiners with operating facilities have indicated that they will be able to ramp up production from currently reduced levels at refineries near the affected areas, which should have a positive impact on product supplies." Regarding reports of price gouging, Slaughter said, "Each alleged situation should be thoroughly investigated by the appropriate state and federal authorities and prosecuted when the law has been broken." According to the Minerals Management Service, oil output from the Gulf of Mexico has been cut by 861,000 barrels per day, a 57 percent reduction from before Katrina's arrival Aug. 29. If you'd like to sound off on this issue, please take part in the WorldNetDaily poll. Related offer: $5 gas has arrived! Now what? Related story: Truckers strike imminent? If you would like to help victims of Hurricane Katrina, here are some of the best ways to do so. Joe Kovacs is executive news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.

49 posted on 09/08/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by Radioactive (I'm on the radio..so I'm radioactive)
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To: kellynla
We're DOOMED
50 posted on 09/08/2005 8:55:03 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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