MASTER THREAD: The Historical Record of DemocRAT Partisan Attacks in Hurricane Katrina Tragedy

the FReepers | 9-8-05 | Doug from Upland

[A Citizen Reporter]

"Post statements from elected officials, political notables, and Hollywood fools."

Does this include moronic reporters?

[alessandrofiaschi]

[Corin Stormhands]

bookmarked

[wingman1]

Bump

[beansox]

i just read on MSNBC that Mooron is "seriously considering" doing a movie on katrina like he did 9/11...


with that said...did any ofthe 9/11 vicitms get any of the profits? no. so mooron is gong to exploit yet another group of vicitms for personal gain......

[doug from upland]

Rapper Kanye West
Sept. 2, 2005
New York
Concert for hurricane relief televised on NBC

LINK

"George Bush doesn't care about black people."

[Choose Ye This Day]

MoveOn.org's pathetic petition, Don't Blame the Victims, Get to Work:

In the immediate days after Katrina, we saw the best of America as millions of people stepped forward to offer help. Meanwhile, the Bush administration failed at their most important job: keeping America safe. The federal effort was too little, too late and the fact that the White House would blame state and local officials after they had begged for help is appalling.

http://political.moveon.org/helpvictims/

[camas]

off subject: i think i read a post of 13??? nursing home people were killed?? znyone help me with this ???

[FairfaxVA]

This what you were referring to?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/08/katrina.impact/

[frogjerk]

Harry Reid

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/07/katrina/main824311.shtml

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada pressed for a broad investigation that would explore questions such as "How much time did the president spend dealing with this emerging crisis while he was on vacation?"

[Peach]

September 7, 2005:

"We must ... come to terms with the ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a deadly role in who survived and who did not," Howard Dean said.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1479924/posts

[Only1choice____Freedom]

Every disaster needs a contingency plan.

Here is New Orlean's plan Had they followed it, may lives would have been saved.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:4CGCqv6EbJAJ:www.new-orleans.la.us/cnoweb/cpc/transportation/Chapter3_3to3_6.pdf&hl=en

This is Galveston's plan for a hurricane Use school buses! What a novel idea!


http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:dAuxFU4g9GAJ:www.khou.com/news/local/galveston/stories/khou050802_gj_hurricaneseason.35de5241.html+buses+used+to+evacuate+hurricane&hl=en&start=12


"Nagin was quoted in that local radio interview -- replayed on CNN and other networks -- that there had been a proposal to use school buses. "School buses!" he ranted with disdain, "School buses! Where are the Greyhounds? Why isn't every bus company coming here to rescue these people."


He expects greyhounds to come from all over to rescue his people when he could have had his own busses and people saved?


This is what New Oleans did with their buses:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015

More on buses
http://www.blindmanphoto.com/images/Stop-Blaming-FEMA.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/%7Eidkfa/bus2.jpg
http://home.mchsi.com/%7Eidkfa/bus1.jpg
http://www.rc4systems.net/albums/album04/DomeBuses.sized.jpg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477943/replies?c=11

An 18 year hero had to steal a bus to save others.

http://www.local6.com/news/4929516/detail.html

"President Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana, authorizing federal emergency management officials to release federal aid and coordinate disaster relief efforts. By mid-afternoon, officials in Plaquemines, St. Bernard, St. Charles, Lafourche, Terrebonne and Jefferson parishes had called for voluntary or mandatory evacuations. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin followed at 5 p.m., issuing a voluntary evacuation.


Nagin said late Saturday that he's having his legal staff look into whether he can order a mandatory evacuation of the city, a step he's been hesitant to do because of potential liability on the part of the city for closing hotels and other businesses. "Come the first break of light in the morning, you may have the first mandatory evacuation of New Orleans," Nagin told WWL-TV.


How come he didn't know what he could do BEFORE the storm hit instead of the day of the storm?



http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/library-88/1125213019249320.xml?nola

How come he STILL doesn't know?


Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that President Bush had called and urged the state to order the evacuation.

It wasn't even her idea!

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:RGrwXIfpv8UJ:www.cnn.com/rssclick/2005/WEATHER/08/28/hurricane.katrina/%3Fsection%3Dcnn_topstories+president+bush+called+blanco+mandatory+evacuation+new+orleans&hl=en


Then the state stopped the Red Cross from helping
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7000060641

Or was it FEMA?
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

But the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, Garrett said, "told them they could not go."

"The Red Cross tells me that state agency in Louisiana said, 'Look, we do not want to create a magnet for more people to come to the Superdome or Convention Center, we want to get them out,'" he explained.

"So at the same time local officials were screaming where is the food, where is the water? The Red Cross was standing by ready [and] the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security said you can't go.


http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/7/235423.shtml

(I know it says Newsmax, but the story ran on FOX.)

Plan? what plan? No emergency plan, so Nalin needs Fed. gov to step in where he had no plan.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/


How could this happen in America?


"Mayor Nagin should have assessed the crisis, taken the bully pulpit, offered words of calm and encouragement, and then called upon the governor and the president to provide the tools to deliver his city from this horrible crisis. Instead, Mr. Nagin choose to hide – and when he finally emerged, it was with a very predictable indictment on everyone other than the one who is truly responsibility. You see Mr. Nagin, the buck stops with you. Ask Rudy."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46151


It also doesn't help if you don't tell anybody

Mr. Chertoff said neither he nor Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown was told of the deteriorating situation in New Orleans until Thursday night.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050905-120743-9482r.htm


Levys were only designed for Cat 3 storm in good condition.

http://www.enr.com/news/environment/archives/050901c.asp

and

Shea Penland, director of the Pontchartrain Institute for Environmental Studies at the University of New Orleans, said that was particularly surprising because the break was "along a section that was just upgraded."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/national/nationalspecial/01levee.html

A cat 5 hurricane and it's problems should have come as no surprise - a 5 part series from 2002:

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway/

So why no levee construction? No money budgeted?

They never spent the money they got on the levee.

What? no money for the levee?


Who's fault is the levee money missing? Why did they fight an audit?

Could it be that no money went to the levee?

These guys have been indicted for obstructing a probe.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/law/news/wdl20041129.html


Army cops of Engineers wanted better protection but Envios put a stop to it.

"In other words, this plan would have saved thousands of lives and kept one of the nation’s greatest cities from lying in ruins for a decade.

At a minimum, such a plan would have staved off a significant portion of the disaster that’s unfolded before our eyes."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19418

State Leads in Army Corps Spending, but Millions Had Nothing to Do With Floods

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html


Flaws in "system" already known but nothing done:

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/091904ccktWWLIvanFlaws.132602486.html



The word "system" implies they have done it the same way at least twice.

There was no system. Just a CF.



Where were the police?

Looting like everybody else

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2005/Aug/20050831News017.asp

see for yourself!

http://www.zippyvideos.com/8911023771013466/countdown-looting-in-walmart/


"The loss of 300 officers when the city needed them most, severely affected rescue and law enforcement efforts as New Orleans descended into lawlessness in the days after Katrina unleashed her wrath on August 29."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050908/ts_alt_afp/usweatherpolice_050908072622


Where are they now?

escaping to Houston during the aftermath.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/special/05/katrina/3342864

or lounging in Atlanta now

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=43726

Power struggle with gov and Bush

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

Bush requested a federal takeover of the operations, Blanko balked.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/09/federal-government-tried-legal.php


ABC finally notices NO had a plan it didn't follow

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005392.php


Patients died because of their inactions

http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=3816529&nav=5D7lBwNh

Can't blame Bush for this one.


Back in July, as this link shows, the city was readying to tell everyone "You're on your own"

http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1122184560198030.xml?nola


Who's really in charge?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168644,00.html


That's the question we have been asking since BEFORE the storm hit?


Who is in charge?

Who is supposed to be in charge?



"The main responsibility and authority for operational aspects of evacuation in Orleans Parish lies with the Office of Emergency Preparedness (OEP) within the Chief Administrative Office of the City. The authority to make the final decisions related to an evacuation rests with the Mayor of New Orleans."

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:4CGCqv6EbJAJ:www.new-orleans.la.us/cnoweb/cpc/transportation/Chapter3_3to3_6.pdf&hl=en

[alloysteel]

Going back to CNN, for some of their stories first filed without editorializing:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/30/katrina/?section=cnn_topstories

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/31/katrina.impact/

[Rosemont]

RFK Jr. blames Haley Barbour for Hurricane

" Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20050829/cm_huffpost/006396&printer=1

[DonPaulJonesII]

"Meanwhile, the Bush administration failed at their most important job: keeping America safe. The federal effort was too little, too late and the fact that the White House would blame state and local officials after they had begged for help is appalling."

???? Is this your opinion or are you parroting MoveOn.org??? Because, if this is your opinion, then you can go straight to hell.

[doug from upland]

Barbra Streisand, political genius
Sept. 7, 2005
Posted on her dreaded blog

LINK

Another Massive Failure of Leadership

Posted on September 7, 2005
The media clearly has had enough. They have finally refused to protect President Bush and support the Administration’s spin on yet another massive failure of leadership.

[Choose Ye This Day]

Nagin, 9/2/05:

I told him [Bush] we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/

[Choose Ye This Day]

Nagin, 9/2/05:

WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.

It's awful down here, man.

WWL: Do you believe that the president is seeing this, holding a news conference on it but can't do anything until [Louisiana Gov.] Kathleen Blanco requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made that request?

NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this, and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/

[Choose Ye This Day]

Nagin, 9/2/05:

WWL: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

NAGIN: Really?

WWL: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there? What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

WWL: You and I will be in the funny place together.

NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.

Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.

You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly.

And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/