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E.M.T. At the Superdome recounts what REALLY happened.
The Santa Fe New Mexican ^ | 9/9/5 | Diana Heil

Posted on 09/09/2005 6:23:47 AM PDT by RightinNM

Paramedic's N.M. team stays behind to treat storm victims ... a self-contained, federally funded team from New Mexico -- arrived in New Orleans at 3 a.m. Aug. 30 with 20 tons of supplies. ... Hesch has a few insights he'd like to share: "I would tell people to be patient with their government and understanding because this is the nation's biggest disaster, bar none."

(Excerpt) Read more at freenewmexican.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: blanco; bush; emt; katrina; kayak; neworleans; superdome
This one group arrived at the Superdome on August 30, before the levees broke, with 20 tons of supplies. And the atricle hints that other teams were also there, but bugged out when things got tough. How many supplies did they bring with them? Did they bail WITH or without te supplies?

VANITY- To add some credence to this story, It's extraordinary for the daily rag here in the P.R.S.F. (People's Republic of Santa Fe) to write anything that doesn't just slam Bush.

1 posted on 09/09/2005 6:23:51 AM PDT by RightinNM
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To: RightinNM
Some had gone cold turkey off their medications.

That's a polite way of putting it :)

2 posted on 09/09/2005 6:37:37 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: RightinNM

Great post-I think his observations regarding the initial Nat Guardsmen is dead on accurate- I guess jesse Jackson has no idea that N.O. is 12 feet below sea level.....


3 posted on 09/09/2005 6:39:52 AM PDT by Serious Capitalist
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To: RightinNM

Interesting article, with some new details.

This tidbit was kinda odd though:

"By contrast, at Hurricane Andrew in 1992, the 82nd Airborne Special Forces carried locked and loaded AK-47s at all times..."


4 posted on 09/09/2005 6:40:30 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: RightinNM

---By contrast, at Hurricane Andrew in 1992, the 82nd Airborne Special Forces carried locked and loaded AK-47s at all times, with the National Guard in strong force, he said.---

?


5 posted on 09/09/2005 6:42:24 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: NonValueAdded
Some had gone cold turkey off their medications.

That's a polite way of putting it :)

Translation: Their drug dealers had been evacuated.

6 posted on 09/09/2005 6:43:01 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: RightinNM
"In other disasters where Hesch has worked, people pulled tightly together as a community. But New Orleans didn't seem to know how to do that."
8 posted on 09/09/2005 6:46:21 AM PDT by ordinaryguy
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To: Gefreiter

That was 13 years ago. Maybe memory's just a little hazy. I vaguely remember that right after September 11, some troops (Guard?) were posted at airports with weapons but no bullets. Could be something like that with details getting hazy over time?


9 posted on 09/09/2005 6:46:34 AM PDT by RightinNM
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To: All
He said the city of New Orleans should have organized a more persuasive evacuation, using school buses and other means.

Well, I guess we know why that didn't happen!

10 posted on 09/09/2005 6:48:32 AM PDT by vox humana
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To: claudiustg

...locked and loaded AK-47s ...

WTF???????

Please, someone, convince me that this reporter is not just slightly retarded


11 posted on 09/09/2005 6:48:35 AM PDT by Paisan
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To: Gefreiter
"By contrast, at Hurricane Andrew in 1992, the 82nd Airborne Special Forces carried locked and loaded AK-47s at all times..."

Yes, but, as I understand it, they didn't show up until five days after Andrew had hit.

12 posted on 09/09/2005 6:49:44 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: NonValueAdded

That was a polite way of putting it is right. Good article, minimal spin and one heck of a heroic team from New Mexico.


13 posted on 09/09/2005 6:51:46 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: RightinNM
"By Aug. 31, the Federal Emergency Management Agency told the exhausted New Mexico team it was time to leave."

They make it sound as if August 31st was DAYS after the start, not the day, essentially, it was after the levees broke. I am sure to them, in that environment, it felt that way though.

And no martial law imposed. Who has refused that?

14 posted on 09/09/2005 6:51:59 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: RightinNM

Very interesting, coming from someone who was actually there. Not one "It's all Bush's fault" in the entire article either. He sure makes it sound like the majority of people who he came across at the Superdome are selfish animals.


15 posted on 09/09/2005 6:52:35 AM PDT by Auntie Mame (The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.--WC)
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To: ordinaryguy

They know how to pull tightly together in partying, though...


16 posted on 09/09/2005 6:53:23 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: NonValueAdded

Sad, sick, and twisted. Wonder whose city these "fittest" now inhabit?


17 posted on 09/09/2005 6:56:08 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: claudiustg; RightinNM

That stopped me, too. AK-47s? Did McCoy save Edith Keeler's life again?


18 posted on 09/09/2005 6:57:29 AM PDT by Dahoser (If we can't shoot the looters, can we at least drop a Taser in the water near them?)
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To: RightinNM

I wonder what teams from other states bugged out after the levee broke, and why? To escape the flooding or to escape the violence? He doesn't say.


19 posted on 09/09/2005 6:58:51 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Paisan
The reporter is quoting the EMT. The term "AK-47" is used to describe any automatic weapon in some circles.
20 posted on 09/09/2005 7:00:20 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich
The term "AK-47" is used to describe any automatic weapon in some circles.

Yeah, but we don't do that around here :-)

21 posted on 09/09/2005 7:02:14 AM PDT by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: Gefreiter
"By contrast, at Hurricane Andrew in 1992, the 82nd Airborne Special Forces carried locked and loaded AK-47s at all times..."


Remember Lawton Childs took his own sweet time asking for Federal help, and there were alot of hot, ticked, hungry, desperate people as a result.

Liberals do have a way of using disasters for their own political gain.
22 posted on 09/09/2005 7:02:30 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Mr. Jeeves

by contrast, the Clinton Administration responded within hours of the Oklahoma City bombing, by blaming, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, and all other Republicans


23 posted on 09/09/2005 7:06:44 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: RightinNM
A circle of people singing hymns.

I'd be curious to know what hymns were sung.

24 posted on 09/09/2005 7:07:05 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RightinNM

Welcome to FR... Very good first post, hope you are around for a while...


25 posted on 09/09/2005 7:10:06 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: RightinNM; Gefreiter; Mr. Jeeves

In South Dade, where I live, the 82nd Airborne set up a camp just 2 short blocks away, on a school athletic field. National Guard was everywhere, the entire neighborhood (and all of South Dade, I believe) was cordoned off and under curfew. All the troops carried M-16's all the time (what the reporter was trying to say), you weren't allowed in the area without going through military checkpoints. It was a great feeling having those guys around. When enough debris was cleared so that out of town visitors could come in, they were shocked to have soldiers with rifles stop their cars to find out who they were and what they wanted.

Yes, it took 5 days before relief arrived in force. Until then we were completely on our own. Roads were impassable with huge amounts of debris, no elec, no phone, no way to call for help, and no way for help to get there short of by helo. But one thing different than NOLA, Dade County was not underwater. You had to already have food and water in reserve, which most people had long known they must do.

A good many homeowners were armed as well.


26 posted on 09/09/2005 7:11:39 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Drop Kick Me Jesus Through the Goal Posts of Life" and "Oh, The Night Has a Thousand Eyes"


27 posted on 09/09/2005 7:12:24 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Gefreiter
"By contrast, at Hurricane Andrew in 1992, the 82nd Airborne Special Forces carried locked and loaded AK-47s at all times..."

They must have been the Russian 82nd Airborne. The 82nd Airborne are referred to as Rangers, not Special Forces. They definitely don't carry AK-47's unless they've just taken them away from some bad guys.

28 posted on 09/09/2005 7:14:07 AM PDT by Bob
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To: RightinNM; Gefreiter; Mr. Jeeves

The above post refers to Andrew in '92. Sorry.

I have high hopes that NOLA, a city that I like, will come out of this a better place than it was. It has a good chance, IMO, especially if the federal government resists tampering with things too much.


29 posted on 09/09/2005 7:15:28 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: RightinNM
A FEMA convoy from California had come under attack. People threw rocks at it. Bush's fault.
30 posted on 09/09/2005 7:20:07 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: RightinNM
In other disasters where Hesch has worked, people pulled tightly together as a community. But New Orleans didn't seem to know how to do that. "The Dome turned into a den of depravity at some point," he said, noting reports of rapes and people beaten to death.
31 posted on 09/09/2005 7:21:19 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: RightinNM
Hesch said he is disgusted that some Americans, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, are claiming that relief didn't come quickly because New Orleans has a large black population.

"It had nothing to do with race," Hesch said. "It had to do with the fact that New Orleans exists 12 feet below sea level. That is the big problem."

The other big problem, he said, were the high numbers of people trapped in the disaster. He said the city of New Orleans should have organized a more persuasive evacuation, using school buses and other means.

32 posted on 09/09/2005 7:21:46 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: RightinNM

very interesting bttt


33 posted on 09/09/2005 7:27:00 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Paisan
...locked and loaded AK-47s ... WTF???????

He probably is referring to the Cuban army units that were there. /duh
34 posted on 09/09/2005 7:30:21 AM PDT by Antoninus (Dominus Iesus, miserere nobis.)
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To: Dahoser

D,
Wow, mister...comically superior obscure reference.

LOL and well done.


35 posted on 09/09/2005 7:41:15 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Gefreiter

I was waiting for someone to point this out. Do you honestly believe a reporter (or his/her editor) knows the difference between an AK and a M-16? Of course not, because all guns are bad, you know.

Anyways, regardless of whether or not said reporter or witness knows anything about guns, there was still a valid point being made: there was no (and still is no)imposition of order, either by consensus of the population (people banding together for the common good)or by brute force (police and Nat'l Guard presence)in New Orleans.


36 posted on 09/09/2005 7:41:21 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: Gefreiter

Thank you kindly.


37 posted on 09/09/2005 7:49:29 AM PDT by Dahoser (If we can't shoot the looters, can we at least drop a Taser in the water near them?)
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To: Wombat101

W,
Oh, you're absolutely right.

In person my tone and posture would've made it clear that mine was a very minor point in an otherwise important and helpful piece.

Maybe guns wouldn't be so bad if they were more coordinated to these people's outfits? You know, AR 15s get the earth-tone handguards for the fall; every summer the paisley AK buttstocks come out...?


38 posted on 09/09/2005 7:55:53 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Gefreiter

Actually, they'd probably prefer "Earth Tones".

Seriously, I wouldn't care if they got the Boy Scouts armed with Brown Bess muskets out there, so long as someone, anyone, was making the point that order needs to be maintained if anyone is to be saved/rescued.

I apologize for my jumping in yer shyte over it, but some of us Freepers have a tendency to get so anal over minor details that we lose sight of the big picture. I was just hoping to avoid the multiple "MSM can't tell the difference" posts.


39 posted on 09/09/2005 8:00:23 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: RightinNM
Great post. I was taken by these comments, as well as by the description of the environment inside the ThunderDome complex, while he was delivering medical care and trying to catch naps.

Before he left New Orleans, Hesch was confounded once again. A FEMA convoy from California had come under attack. People threw rocks at it.

Upon advice of others, the New Mexico team removed all signs that connected its vehicles to FEMA. "They told us, 'Be careful not to run over any dead bodies, and keep this as quiet as possible,' " Hesch said.

It wasn't a slow drive out.


40 posted on 09/09/2005 8:07:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RightinNM
... at Hurricane Andrew in 1992, the 82nd Airborne Special Forces carried locked and loaded AK-47s ...

Huh????

41 posted on 09/09/2005 8:09:36 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: ordinaryguy
"In other disasters where Hesch has worked, people pulled tightly together as a community. But New Orleans didn't seem to know how to do that."

Jesse Jackson says that's Whitey's fault, too!!
42 posted on 09/09/2005 8:36:11 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: Dahoser

John F. Kerry was passing them out from his weapons cache on Nantucket.


43 posted on 09/09/2005 8:41:56 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
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To: Cboldt
...and keep this as quiet as possible,' "

I think those were the 'watchwords' for LA Homeland Security at the outset of this disaster.

44 posted on 09/09/2005 8:46:15 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And now, little man, I give the watch to you.”)
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