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New Orleans Begins Confiscating Firearms as Water Recedes
The New York Times ^ | Sept 8, 2005 | ALEX BERENSON and TIMOTHY WILLIAMS

Posted on 09/09/2005 10:47:37 AM PDT by Jack Black

NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Waters were receding across this flood-beaten city today as police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians in preparation for a mass forced evacuation of the residents still living here.

No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

Nearly two weeks after the floods began, New Orleans has turned into an armed camp, patrolled by thousands of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, as well as National Guard troops and active-duty soldiers. While armed looters roamed unchecked last week, the city is now calm. No arrests were made on Wednesday night or this morning, and the police received only 10 calls for service, a police spokesman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: atf; bang; banglist; batf; confiscation; cwii; guns; irs; katrina; neworleans; rkba; secondammendment; soillegal
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The article says non-law-enforcement will not be allowed to carry firearms, but the headline says they are being confiscated. On another yahoo group several people reported that ABC News had film of Police and/or National Guard doing entry and search house by house to get all the guns out.

So, now we do get to see the "nightmare scenario" that many RKBA advocates have feared for years. Police backed by Army doing house-by-house search and confiscation.

1 posted on 09/09/2005 10:47:39 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; Jack Black; Joe Brower; ...

CW II PING LIST:
Thought this would interest you.


2 posted on 09/09/2005 10:49:58 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

Did they declare martial law? If not, they have no authority to do so.


3 posted on 09/09/2005 10:50:04 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Behold thy mother." -Our Lord Jesus Christ, John 19: 27)
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To: Jack Black

If they ever come for mine, they'll get the bullets first.


4 posted on 09/09/2005 10:50:36 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Pyro7480

Exactly what I was thinking as well.

I have heard various versions of the ML declarations.

Does anyone know if ML has been officially declared?????


5 posted on 09/09/2005 10:52:17 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Jack Black


I am a charter member of Fido's Private Security Firm.


6 posted on 09/09/2005 10:53:19 AM PDT by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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To: Jack Black

I wonder if they have some list or if they are just asking? If they are just asking, clearly the answer is "No, no guns here.".


7 posted on 09/09/2005 10:54:08 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Pyro7480
Did they declare martial law?

I could be wrong but, I seem to recall hearing martial law declared on the day or perhaps the day after the hurricane hit.

8 posted on 09/09/2005 10:54:13 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Jack Black

Well at least they aren't searching backpacks.


9 posted on 09/09/2005 10:54:58 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: Pyro7480

Google yeilds this UPI story.

Martial law declared around New Orleans

NEW ORLEANS, Aug. 30 (UPI) -- Martial law was declared in New Orleans midday Tuesday as the city continued flooding from at least two levees damaged by Hurricane Katrina ...

lots of other stuff, but not about Martial Law


10 posted on 09/09/2005 10:55:53 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Pete

Again per the ABC News video (which I did not see first hand) they were showing up with zip ties in hand, forcing the people to stand on their porch while the houses were searched.


11 posted on 09/09/2005 10:58:19 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons,"

Only the criminals, he means.............

12 posted on 09/09/2005 11:00:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps.....An army of WON!...........)
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To: An.American.Expatriate; Pyro7480
Found this on CNN.com via Google News...

Thursday, September 8, 2005; Posted: 7:03 p.m. EDT

Q. Has martial law been declared in Louisiana?

A. No.

"People are using that term far too loosely," said Duke University School of Law professor Scott Silliman. "Martial law can only be imposed by a governor or the president of the United States when there is a total absence of any governing authority (meaning no courts, etc). Martial law allows the federal military to come in to preserve the country."

This has not happened.

Search for katrina martial law on Google News.
13 posted on 09/09/2005 11:00:20 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Jack Black

I'd love to know the basis of their right to confiscate the legal firearms of law-abiding citizens.

Has the 2nd Amd been repealed on private property in New Orleans?

When was martial law declared?


14 posted on 09/09/2005 11:00:41 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Jack Black

The NRA has warned of this for decades...................................


15 posted on 09/09/2005 11:01:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (United States Marine Corps.....An army of WON!...........)
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To: Jack Black
Again per the ABC News video (which I did not see first hand) they were showing up with zip ties in hand, forcing the people to stand on their porch while the houses were searched.

If you had a little warning, you could grab a shovel and dig a hole in the backyard.

I think we all kind of knew that the Constitution is well and good when things are going well but when circumstances hit the fan, I think we can all now have confidence that all bets are off. Plan accordingly.

16 posted on 09/09/2005 11:02:32 AM PDT by Pete
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Could someone ping the BANG! list and other key lists. This is an important topic.


17 posted on 09/09/2005 11:02:38 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Pete

Yes. I was thinking along a similar line that in this case having simply stored them in a weighted waterproof case (like a Pelican) would put it under the dark water and out of reach of the gun grabbing LEOs.


18 posted on 09/09/2005 11:04:46 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

Since Keywords came into being, the so-called "BANG!" list is keyed by the BANGLIST keyword.


19 posted on 09/09/2005 11:05:31 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Pete

It sounds like they are looking at the registrations and making sure they get those guns. If you resist, you will be arrested or shot. Doesn't sound like anyone is resisting.


20 posted on 09/09/2005 11:07:27 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: newgeezer

Thanks. I was relatively certain that ML had not been declared ....


21 posted on 09/09/2005 11:09:49 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: Jack Black; Jeff Head; Travis McGee

MY "two" sources on the ground I just contacted by sat cellular (not working real good BTW) and a e-mail say they are taking the firearms from those walking the streets "brandishing" them and from homes that are already evacuated where the weapons are clearly visable in the corner or on a table, a old style glass gun cabinet etc ....searching only people sized spaces for dead or injured or scared adult or child. They see a firearm they remove it from the home. No reciept left....

Homeowners are allowed to keep their own firearms according to a contracted house sitter and a friend at the Joint Task Force DOD Control Center down there....

If they are walking the streets with a weapon visable it's taken from them....period.

Don't like that either.... but hey insanity is set on high there for a while. Wait for the BS laws to take effect in the next few months in all big cities based on what "could" happen to close any loop holes that NOLA socialists have tripped over......


22 posted on 09/09/2005 11:11:24 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Jack Black; Pete
Purchase all to-be-cached weapons and ammunition with cash and make sure your name is in no way associated with the firearms.
23 posted on 09/09/2005 11:12:17 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: Jack Black

Already posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1480533/posts


24 posted on 09/09/2005 11:13:19 AM PDT by airborne
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To: Jack Black
The city's Police Department and federal law enforcement officers from agencies like the United States Marshals Service will lead the evacuation, Mr. Compass said. Officers will search houses in both dry and flooded neighborhoods, and no one will be allowed to stay, he said.

Many of the residents still in the city said they did not understand why the city remained intent on forcing them out.

"I know the risks," said Renee de Pontchieux, as she sat on a stool outside Kajun's Pub in the working-class Bywater neighborhood east of downtown. "We used to think we lived in America - now we're not so sure. Why should we allow this government to chase us out and allow people from outside to rebuild our homes? We want to rebuild our homes."

After homeowners in the dry areas are disarmed and forced from their houses, they, who have already lost a lot, may lose everything as looters, and vandals, both unofficial and official, complete the job Hurricane Katrina started.

25 posted on 09/09/2005 11:15:54 AM PDT by MRMEAN (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress;but I repeat myself. Mark Twain)
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To: Jack Black

BTTT


26 posted on 09/09/2005 11:17:51 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Pete

They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold shriveled fingers.


27 posted on 09/09/2005 11:18:43 AM PDT by bikerman
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To: Jack Black
Bump and bookmark.
28 posted on 09/09/2005 11:19:06 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: An.American.Expatriate; newgeezer; Jack Black; Travis McGee
Martial law declared in New Orleans by Nagin the noggin
29 posted on 09/09/2005 11:22:06 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: doc30
It sounds like they are looking at the registrations and making sure they get those guns. If you resist, you will be arrested or shot. Doesn't sound like anyone is resisting.

AFAIK there is no gun registration law in LA or NO.

LA in general has been pretty good on the gun issue up until now, but of course with a leftist Democratic administration at both the local and state levels you can't count on any Constitutional right being safe.

I hope that any NO citizen who is harmed or loses significant property because he or she was deprived of their legally owned firearm will sue the city and state, and the mayor and governor personally. I don't know if that's legally possible, but if it isn't it should be. Confiscating a person's gun in that chaotic situation is equivalent to imposing a death sentence on him or her.

30 posted on 09/09/2005 11:23:34 AM PDT by epow (Vegetarian - old Indian word for "poor shot".)
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To: Jack Black; All

Well, I guess we now have the example we need whenever undecideds say gungrabbing 'can't happen here.'


31 posted on 09/09/2005 11:27:55 AM PDT by backhoe ("It's so easy to spend someone else's money." [My Dad, circa 1958])
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To: G.Mason

IIRC the govenor recinded that because Nagin did not have the authority to do so. I might be wrong, but......


32 posted on 09/09/2005 11:28:14 AM PDT by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: epow
I hope that any NO citizen who is harmed or loses significant property because he or she was deprived of their legally owned firearm will sue the city and state, and the mayor and governor personally. I don't know if that's legally possible, but if it isn't it should be. Confiscating a person's gun in that chaotic situation is equivalent to imposing a death sentence on him or her.

The law suits need to start. Criminal investigations should also be pushed. Unfortunately, it will take mob action to scare the establishment to the correct action, i.e. as does the race baiters and hate crime mongers do to get their way.

33 posted on 09/09/2005 11:34:42 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: Jack Black

Since this is the lying and spinning NY Slimes, we might want to keep our powder dry until this is confirmed and not by AP, Rooters or ABCNNBCBS.


34 posted on 09/09/2005 11:37:48 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: Pete

"...I think we can all now have confidence that all bets are off. Plan accordingly."

Time to stock up on ammo.


35 posted on 09/09/2005 11:41:35 AM PDT by Adiemus
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To: backhoe; All
Larry Pratt is doing a radio interview right now with Alex Jones.

One of the thoughts he has conveyed is that a single individual can't resist this.

He is stressing organization.

36 posted on 09/09/2005 11:42:13 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
"IIRC the govenor recinded that because Nagin did not have the authority to do so. I might be wrong, but......"


I hear you loud and clear.


Has the governor replaced Nagin the Noggin with one of her stooges? Just how does Blank-0-Blanco take over New Orleans?


Inquiring minds kind of thing. ;)





Build their gallows high

37 posted on 09/09/2005 11:42:40 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: Jack Black

"I was thinking along a similar line that in this case having simply stored them in a weighted waterproof case (like a Pelican) would put it under the dark water and out of reach of the gun grabbing LEOs."

What is the purpose of having weapons if you are just going to bury them in the face of tyranny?


38 posted on 09/09/2005 11:43:13 AM PDT by BadAndy (Yes liberals, I DO question your patriotism.)
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To: Freebird Forever

"Purchase all to-be-cached weapons and ammunition with cash and make sure your name is in no way associated with the firearms"

Here Here! At least in Texas this is easy to do. I have
1 30-06
1 .357
1 .45
and many rounds of ammo in my cache.


39 posted on 09/09/2005 11:43:56 AM PDT by Syntyr
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To: Jack Black

...police officers began confiscating weapons, including legally registered firearms, from civilians...

Bu, but, registration would never lead to confiscation!


40 posted on 09/09/2005 11:45:06 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Give em the lead first.)
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To: epow

And what about the financial loss? Firearms are not cheap. Whoever took them needs to either return them or financially compensate the owners. Then again, if 2nd amendment rights can be tramples, so can search and seizure rights. These people will likely never see their weapons or any compensation. It will be because of the state of emergency.


41 posted on 09/09/2005 11:47:47 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Jack Black

You can do that, but you will lose it when the city uses eminent domain to bulldozes your now blighted house so the developers can rebuild mcmansions you will never be able to afford.


42 posted on 09/09/2005 11:49:15 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Jack Black
This shows the total lack of perspective and sense in contemporary Government. If you ever had a time when the need for private arms was any clearer, than when there has been a breakdown in law and order, what could it be? But rather than focus on dealing with those out looting and shooting at rescue missions, they are going to confiscate everyone's weapons!

One more nail in the coffin of the free society, based upon a maximum of individual responsibility and a minimum of arbitrary authority, which was vouchsafed to us.

Of course, the idea that the City has a right to force people from their homes, against their will, also flies in the face of traditional American concepts of personal freedom and property rights. By what claimed right of anyone, are these actions justified? The right to inflict "good" on people, against their will, is not a right granted to Government in a free society.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

43 posted on 09/09/2005 11:49:15 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Squantos

...Wait for the BS laws to take effect in the next few months in all big cities based on what "could" happen to close any loop holes that NOLA socialists have tripped over......


Amazing how if anything was learned here it's that the citizen must be prepared to take care of himself. But now the government will now make a play to deprive the citizens of the means.


44 posted on 09/09/2005 11:50:06 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Give em the lead first.)
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To: MRMEAN

...We used to think we lived in America...

a lot of people make that mistake.


45 posted on 09/09/2005 11:51:14 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Give em the lead first.)
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To: Jack Black
Image hosted by Photobucket.com remember a couple years ago when somebody smuggled out a copy of a Military questionair about "Would YOU help Take GUNS Away From Citizens if ORDERED TO???" to the John Burch Society???
46 posted on 09/09/2005 11:53:36 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: BadAndy
What is the purpose of having weapons if you are just going to bury them in the face of tyranny?

It's akin to putting a little extra money aside for emergencies.

; )

47 posted on 09/09/2005 12:03:03 PM PDT by Freebird Forever (AMERICA FIRST !!!)
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To: Freebird Forever
It's akin to putting a little extra money aside for emergencies.

And if you have too much money set aside, it can be confiscated as well.

48 posted on 09/09/2005 12:32:06 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Syntyr
"Purchase all to-be-cached weapons and ammunition with cash and make sure your name is in no way associated with the firearms"

Here Here! At least in Texas this is easy to do. I have
1 30-06
1 .357
1 .45
and many rounds of ammo in my cache.

No problem with that assortment at all. But you'd do well to include a 12-gauge shotgun as well. You may at some future time find it helpful to be able to equip another less well-prepared than yourself who could be helpful in all sorts of ways, ranging from surprising those who think they're dealing with you alone, or standing guard while you sleep...sometimes. And at other times can provide covering fire or backup for your sentry.

Besides, should anything critical in your rifle break or it otherwise falls hors de combat it'd be helpful to have a spare long gun upon which you could fall back to as a spare. Or two. Or three.

I believe a .22 conversion kit for the .45 might well be a useful accessory as well. Large quantities of .22 ammunition are both compact and relatively inexpensive, and the muzzle flash and sound signature is less overpowering at night.


49 posted on 09/09/2005 12:39:23 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Jack Black
So, now we do get to see the "nightmare scenario" that many RKBA advocates have feared for years. Police backed by Army doing house-by-house search and confiscation.

More damn looters....Just better equipped and in prettier clothes than the earlier ones.

50 posted on 09/09/2005 12:41:06 PM PDT by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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