Skip to comments.AP edits Guards story to fit Media spin.
Posted on 09/10/2005 7:19:00 AM PDT by MNJohnnie
Dinasour Media bias in action, here is how the story was posted yesterday by AP. Notice how AP edited out the actual QUOTES that DIRECTLY contradicted their spin lie and had the writer write the story interjected their own interpretation of what was said by the sources. Here is yesterdays AP story.
Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, said that "arguably" a day or so of response time was lost due to the absence of the Mississippi National Guard's 155th Infantry Brigade and Louisiana's 256th Infantry Brigade, each with thousands of troops in Iraq. Blum said that to replace those units' command and control equipment, he dispatched personnel from Guard division headquarters from Kansas and Minnesota shortly after the storm struck. Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., whose waterfront home here was washed away in the storm, told reporters that the absence of the deployed Mississippi Guard units made it harder for local officials to coordinate their initial response. "What you lost was a lot of local knowledge," Taylor said, as well as equipment that could have been used in recovery operations.
"The best equipment went with them, for obvious reasons," especially communications equipment, he added. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said this week that the Pentagon has the ability to cope with both Katrina and the Iraq war, saying, "We can and will do both." Blum said that overall, the Iraq mission for Guard units across the nation is not limiting the military's ability to expand and continue the rescue and recovery operations in storm-battered states. "Iraq and other overseas commitments do not inhibit our ability to sustain this effort here
WASHINGTON - The National Guard is stretched so thin by simultaneous assignments in Iraq and the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast that leaders in statehouses and Congress say it is time to reconsider how the force is used.
Republicans and Democrats alike worry about the service's ability to balance its federal and state missions of fighting wars and responding to domestic crises.
"We need to look at what is going to be the long-term future of our Guard when states need to rely on these soldiers for emergencies and the nation continues to rely on them for overseas deployment," said Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat.
About 41,000 Guard members are scattered across Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, along with 17,000 active-duty troops. About 30,000 Guard members are serving in Iraq, with smaller numbers in Afghanistan, Kosovo and elsewhere overseas.
Since the storm devastated the deep South, Republicans and Democrats have praised the Guard for what may be the most massive U.S. military response to a domestic natural disaster.
But lawmakers also have questioned whether poor coordination between the federal government and the states and the overseas deployments kept the Guard from getting where it was needed quickly after the hurricane.
Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, intends to review the Guard's hurricane relief performance this fall.
The head of the National Guard Bureau said Friday the assignment of thousands of Guard troops from Mississippi and Louisiana to Iraq delayed those states' initial hurricane response by about a day.
"Had that brigade been at home and not in Iraq, their expertise and capabilities could have been brought to bear," said Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, the bureau's chief.
However, Blum said that overall, the Iraq assignment is not limiting the military's ability to continue the rescue and recovery operations.
What was really needed was not a lot of specialists but people to secure evacuation routes and maintain order. Blanco still had over 10,000 guardsmen to do that. She only sent a few hundred.
I agree. Republicans think that they can play by nice rules when dealing with the democrat lies. They need to be on the offensive hard.
"The White house really screwed up as usual by not going on the truth offensive right away."
WRONG- Homeland and FEMA is the mega bureacracy that is supposed to prevent this BS. Not the White House!
The United States Coast Guard started rescues on day one and had Homestead and FEMA actly as swiftly, there would be no problem.
The "permission" allibi is legalese lawyer BS because they dropped the ball - The Coast Guard didn't wait for no stinkin permission.
By the time the White House got involved, they saw that Brown had to go.
In the end things will even out; the RATS will continue to screech and overplay their hands, and GWB will go back up in the polls to somewhere around 50%. BTW, he can't go higher than that with all the disappointed Kerry voters still hating him.
"The "permission" allibi is legalese lawyer BS because they dropped the ball - The Coast Guard didn't wait for no stinkin permission."
The U.S. Coast Guard HAS standing authority over waterways in the United States at all times good or bad. They didn't need permission from anyone. The National Guard does not have standing authority and the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are specifically forbidden by law unless authorized.
Brown lied on his resume at least twice. That alone is reason enough for me to can him. You can't have someone in an operations center who lies. ever.
"The National Guard does not have standing authority and the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are specifically forbidden by law unless authorized."
Yeah right - The Texas Gov sent aid right away - when told that the necessary approvals were not in , he said "We're going in - they can sue us later".
That is whatt you want in a disaster - fast command decision and not bureacratbot legalese.
Ah yes. If you beleive an AP poll that interviewed 49% Dems and 36% Repbs. Maybe if the Cast Iron Conservatives actually spent some time GETTING the facts out instead of doing nothing but whining about "the Whitehouse" even those numbers would not look so bad. Question for you. How come Rass, which does the same poll, the same way, EVERY day does NOT show the anywhere NEAR the same results as these "News media" polls that conduct their polls differently every time depending on what the story lie is? How come the "News Media" polls do not use the same 37%-37% split used in the last poll before the Nov 2004 election? How come the "News" media polls quite using LIKELY voters and went to interviewing anyone over 18? Couldn't be because that interjects the feelins of the 45-55% of the American Public that DOES NOT EVEN CARE ENOUGH TO VOTE? As even John Zogby admits, changing to LIKELY Voters from this anyone with a heart beat moves the poll 3-5 points in the Preisdent's direction which puts him right about 46% JUST LIKE RASS says. HOw come you ignore the 40% that says State and LOCALS are more to blame to the Fed? Add that to the 20% that say NONE of them were to blame (a much more intellectually valid idea then "blame" in the face of a Natural Disaster) and suddenly the AP directed spin lie suddenly does NOT look so accurate. You do know that most Broadcast outlets follow the AP ticker to determine which stories to cover? That is why there is almost a complete unformity in which stories are covered.
Finally point. Notice the change in the story lines. You have both the Washington Post and CNN starting to report the ACTUAL events, not the PR spin being put out. As the facts get out, and gas prices drop back to around $2.30 a gallon this month, watch that Bush number grow. Especially after tomorrow and the Oct trial of Saddam
You say, "The United States Coast Guard started rescues on day one and had Homestead and FEMA actly as swiftly, there would be no problem. The "permission" allibi is legalese lawyer BS because they dropped the ball - The Coast Guard didn't wait for no stinkin permission"
There would be no Problem????? Come on - the MSM must be affecting how you see things. Believe me, there were lots of problems and the response time of the Feds had very little to do with it!
FEMA is a support organization, not a first response agency. If the state does not request, FEMA can't help.
"That is whatt you want in a disaster - fast command decision and not bureacratbot legalese."
I don't disagree with that statement. I disagree with your inference that the US Coast Guard disregarded laws and John Wayned their way into this disaster offering to be sued later.
They didn't. They had authority and used it. No John Wayne involved.
Juries still out. The reporters at Time used hearsay evidence including evidence retracted by their primary source since she had NOT been there when Brown was. Statements are also contrasted by other statements NOT published by Time but other sources. After Rathergate and Gitmo, Downing Street and Koran Flush, I find it hard to just automatically accept the Dinasour Media reports as fact until we see more ACTUAL evidence.
You are definitely clueless because your first statement assumes we have a KING not a President and the second statement presupposes that the CG HAD TO GET PERMISSION.....which of course they did NOT NEED as it is their stated MISSION.
"FEMA is a support organization, not a first response agency. If the state does not request, FEMA can't help."
Yes, you are correct. It would have been nice if they had public relations firms promoting what they did from the beginning. (A waste of money to you and I) But, the problem is that the left and the media "shaped the event."
The first impression that people had was that nobody responded, and even though a small percentage of news hounds have learned the truth, the majority of Americans will never know.
AGAIN at FEMA's direction that is what FEMA does. It coordinated FEDERAL aid to the states. However, I do agree with the basic point you are making. There ARE way too many bureaucratic roadblocks. HOWEVER, we are STILL a nation of Laws. IF you do NOT like the Law, write Congress and get it changed. But do not scream bile at the Govt for obeying the LAW. As has been REPEATED pointed out the operations WERE and ARE under Blanco's orders. IT is not the 3rd Responders fault that the 1st and 2nd responders were either corrupt or totally unprepared. Just what DID all those 10s of billions of Fed Homeland Security Dollars Hillary and Kennedy and Byrd demanded get sent to the states and localities in the aftermath of 9-11 to prepare 1st Responders and Disaster Contingency plays REALLY BUY the Federal Taxpayers?
Well, if the National Guard is only for use stateside, then why is the federal government picking up the tab? If they are primary state use, then the states should pay the whole thing.
"I don't disagree with that statement. I disagree with your inference that the US Coast Guard disregarded laws and John Wayned their way into this disaster offering to be sued later.
They didn't. They had authority and used it. No John Wayne involved."
Actually, all branches of the Armed Forces sent Helicopter in from DAY ONE. Don't you remember the shots of the Big Brass Marine helo doing rescue?
Like I said, the HELICOPTER RESCUES didn't need no stinkin permission - and if FEMA and HOMELAND acted the same way, there would be no problem.
That is why Brown is gone and don't take any checks from Chertof - Bush ain't going to wait for him to spout legalese if there is another terrorist attack and it takes 5 days to reach 20000 holed up in a convention center.
Coast Guard didn't have to because they are the ONLY military branch with civilian/military standing by statute.
That is due to a seperate compact signed between the governors. Sheesh, I really wish you'd read a little before you post, it's embarrassing to have a freeper so uninformed.
"You are definitely clueless "
Uh - well actually ALL THE ARMED FORCES HAD HELOS FROM DAY ONE doing rescue.
They didn't need no stinkin permission - deal with it - the lawyers F'ed up and that is why we have a military man in charge at FEMA.
That's no longer a "news story", it's an editorial.
What were the two lies?
He said he was an assistant manager in 1975-78. He was in fact an assistant TO a manager. Which is, in fact, what an "assistant manager" is. An ASSISTANT TO A MANAGER.
Unless you think an "assistant manager" is a manager in charge of assisting?
And he did work on emergency management, it was his area of "assistance" to the manager, who had broader overall duties.
So, what are the two places that you KNOW he lied on his resume?
They are still trying to dig up the records to find the list of directors for the nursing home, and does it make any sense to you that he would have LIED about that? It woudln't have helped at all in confirmation one way or another.
In fact, I bet he would have liked to have left it off, but it turns out that leaving anything OFF the submission to the congress is ALSO a punishable offense.
Most of the other stuff was things that were published by other people, that had disclaimers that they were based on 2nd-hand information and might not be accurate. There is no indication he had anything to do with the minor errors in the FindLaw database.
So I am withholding judgment, pending the revelation of actual FACTS. Because the only quoted people they had in TIME have already backtracked. We now have an "appearance" of impropriety, something democrats love to convict republicans for.
According to Ted Kennedy, Homeland Security should have protected us from the Hurricane, and if Bush had been competent millions of people wouldn't have been effected.
(He actually said that millions of people were now effected by the hurricane when we were promised that Homeland Security would protect us -- but now I can't find the transcript, I think it was a floor speech in the Senate).
"Just what DID all those 10s of billions of Fed Homeland Security Dollars Hillary and Kennedy and Byrd demanded get sent to the states and localities in the aftermath of 9-11 to prepare 1st Responders and Disaster Contingency plays REALLY BUY the Federal Taxpayers?"
Exactly - the last thing we need after getting this new Bureacracy shoved down our throats is to have the poor results - utter and complete lack of coordiantion with podunk sheriffs shutting down the only escape routs and 20000 in the convention center for days w/o food and water.
I am convinced that there are no patriotic Americans in the political left. There are very few in the MSM. AP proves my assumption.
"That is due to a seperate compact signed between the governors. Sheesh, I really wish you'd read a little before you post, it's embarrassing to have a freeper so uninformed."
The point of the post is that Texas went in before the lawyers gave permission.
And do you deny that none of the helos from the Marines, Army, NAvy waited for no stinkin permission to conduct rescue?
"What was really needed was not a lot of specialists but people to secure evacuation routes and maintain order. Blanco still had over 10,000 guardsmen to do that. She only sent a few hundred."
On top of that, the Louisiana National Guard MP's on security duty at the Superdome were not issued weapons until 72 HOURS AFTER the hurricane made landfall. I smell a boneheaded "Don't issue weapons because it might upset the civilians" order that probably came from the governor.
Does anyone take AP seriously anymore?
Your pathological hated of FEMA is well documented. Why do you have to hijack every thread?
Admin Moderator, please take a sampling of this poster's comments over the last few days. I'll think you'll find he/she/it disregards any and all evidence belying his/her/its points and continues to forge ahead with their agenda.
And do you deny that none of the helos from the Marines, Army, NAvy waited for no stinkin permission to conduct rescue?
Do you have any evidence that they did not have permission as you claim? It is a wild claim you are making. If find it hard to belive they did not have orders to go in, and that the govenor of the state did not authorize it, something he could be done in a matter of seconds over the phone.
If you have evidence to back up your claim that they went in illegally in Texas, give us a link. If not you are just making crap up to fit your agenda
I live in a quiet farming community in MN of about 3,000 people. Our police force received enough funding to purchase 9 tasers and 9 AK style assault rifles. We only have 6 policemen.
I welcome any information that you can provide to set me straight if wrong.
But I think it is beyond dispute that all branches of the military were conducting helo rescues while BUREACRATS were saying the lack of ground rescue was due to lack of "permission".
Are you suggesting that permission was granted for the Marines and Army to do Helo rescue but not ground rescue? Pls provide a reference.
That was the coast guard helos that you saw and not armed forces.
>The White house really screwed up as usual by not going on the truth offensive right away.<
The WH focused on saving lives and organizing relief and aid whereas the MSM, who did not have any responsibility and accountability, were free to play their usual game.
Did the WH screw up? It depends on our priorities in life.
The "permission alibi" is the law. The only way the President can force federal aid on the state is through the insurrection act, and a hurricane is not an insurrection.
"That was the coast guard helos that you saw and not armed forces."
Check the Live Katrina posts on FR - On Tues there was a Big Brass Marine Helo that looked like Bush's - it was doing rooftop rescue and the Freeper that posted it said "Some big brass won't have his Helo this week"
How did these helos from Army, NG, CG do 2000 rescues a day ?
W or w/o permission?
Should they have left the people on the roofs and just take pics?
What's your point?
Permission from state authority is not "BS". We have laws that give States authority and emergency response is one of those areas of authority. It is so fundamental that I recall being taught about Posse Commitatus in one of the very first classes I received in Army officer basic.
It is really a basic concept. Try this on. When a dictator wants to seize power, he declares a state of emergency and pushes local authorities out. Our constitution is designed to prevent that.
This emergency system has worked acceptably for several decades. Now because we have a very large disaster to which LOCAL AUTHORITIES failed to respond you want to ignore the check on despotism that our system of government is designed to provide?
Think this through.
"That was Coast Guard helos that you saw and not armed forces." That is about the most uninformed response I have seen lately. The first few hours it was CG, but Navy, Marines and Air Force helos soon followed. Are you aware of the Navy crew that diverted from their original mission to respond to CG plea for help, rescued a bunch of folks, and ended up cleaning the base kennel?
You are not responding to his point. The agreement between Texas and Louisiana would not be subject to the laws.
You are still wrong.
The coast guard's presence has already been explained to you repeatedly. National guard troops from Lousiana are under the state government's control, as can be NG troops from adjoining states depending on pacts and agreements. Army, navy, and Marine choppers can be flown by NG troops under certain circumstances, but army, navy, and marine personnel cannot be called into action without express permission of the state's governor. Perhaps the governor gave permission for those entities to perform these specific functions, or maybe the images you claim to have seen are from rescue operations outside the jurisdiction of Lousiana.
Regardless, the law is the law, and the federal government has no business taking over the duties of a state any time an emergency occurs. Especially duties that require security operations. Even if the governor and local officials are too ignorant to be able to function on their own.
Katrina - a category 4 hurricane that hit New Orleans on the mouth of the Mississippi seems to be an afterthought in all this reporting. You don't just shake off the effects of an unprecidented, devastating hurricane like that and pretend everything is gonna go well immediately afterwards. That's the real spin I see.
Actually hit East of NO. It sideswiped NO. It would be an even bigger mess if it had hit head on.