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Media barred in death zone (Honore speaks)
The Age ^ | 9-11-05

Posted on 09/10/2005 7:32:40 AM PDT by STARWISE

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Guess CNN et al will have to look elsewhere for sensationalism. Give 'em hell, General!
1 posted on 09/10/2005 7:32:42 AM PDT by STARWISE
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To: STARWISE

Excellent decision! Lots of precedences for this.


2 posted on 09/10/2005 7:35:38 AM PDT by i_dont_chat (Our President's intervention saved lives.)
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Leadership PING!


3 posted on 09/10/2005 7:35:46 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THE 911 TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: STARWISE
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4 posted on 09/10/2005 7:36:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: STARWISE

Amen. The media vultures shouldn't be provided with corpses to pick over.


5 posted on 09/10/2005 7:36:48 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: STARWISE
Honore isn't the most articulate guy in the world. At times, he seemed like a dullard, more in tune with the voices in his head than with the questions being directed at him.

None of which means he isn't a great field commander. It's just that some guys aren't made for the spotlight.

The Coast Guard vice admiral is the guy you want for your front man.

6 posted on 09/10/2005 7:37:13 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: STARWISE

...waiting for the MSM to turn on LTG Honor'e any minute now...


7 posted on 09/10/2005 7:37:42 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: IronJack

I'll take Honore ANY day ... thank God for him.


8 posted on 09/10/2005 7:38:27 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THE 911 TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL!!!!!!


9 posted on 09/10/2005 7:39:20 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THE 911 TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: STARWISE

Oh, we'll see the press fight for their rights
(to publish photos of the dead)
because after all, it's George Bush's fault!
/sarc


10 posted on 09/10/2005 7:39:47 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: STARWISE

I wouldn't object to media presence on these missions, as long as there were no cameras. That way nobody can accuse anybody of covering things up and decency is preserved.

But if Lt. Gen. Honore says no media, the only thing you can say to him is, "Yes, sir!" That man doesn't take any guff from anyone.


11 posted on 09/10/2005 7:42:08 AM PDT by wimpycat (Hyperbole is the opiate of the activist wacko.)
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To: STARWISE

On the CNN website

Judge supports CNN request to cover Katrina's toll

Saturday, September 10, 2005; Posted: 1:33 a.m. EDT (05:33 GMT)


HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- At the request of CNN, a federal judge in Texas Friday night blocked emergency officials in New Orleans from preventing the media from covering the recovery of bodies from Hurricane Katrina.

Attorneys for the network argued that the ban was an unconstitutional prior restraint on news gathering.


12 posted on 09/10/2005 7:46:04 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Confirm justice Roberts!)
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To: STARWISE
I think on the whole the US are more sensitive to this than we are in Britain. I think in Britain we would not be as respectful to this.

Personally I think that this is a good decision and the argument that there should be a record of this does not hold water because I am sure the army/local official whoever will take some sort of photos for record/legal reasons plus also assisting with autopsies though apart from long shots I do not think these should be released.
13 posted on 09/10/2005 7:47:51 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: STARWISE
I agree he and Allen will make a great team no nonsense and will not take any BS from the media.
14 posted on 09/10/2005 7:49:03 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: STARWISE

.......................................G.O.O.D..........................................

This nation doesn't need to watch the MSM showing only pix of blacks, with commentary about how Bush is at fault.


15 posted on 09/10/2005 7:49:18 AM PDT by kitkat ("We're not going to let anybody frighten us from our great love of freedom." GWB, 7/22/05))
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To: i_dont_chat
Excellent decision! Lots of precedences for this.

Which precedents are you thinking of?

During WWII, I believe that up until Tarawa that we didn't allow war correspondents to freely publish pictures of the dead, but I believe that from Tarawa onward that we allowed such pictures of dead soldiers.

Otherwise, I cannot think of any such restriction on the press, but the history of journalistic photography is not a part of history that I spend a lot of time on, so perhaps such restrictions were more common than I thought?

16 posted on 09/10/2005 7:51:12 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: STARWISE; texianyankee; COEXERJ145; Trajan88

After the Galveston storm of 1900, "Kodak fiends" were treated like looters and summarily shot.


17 posted on 09/10/2005 7:51:32 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: STARWISE

To paraphrase an oldy, 'Only the Media walks in where even ghouls fear to tread.'


18 posted on 09/10/2005 7:51:51 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Chuck54

How ridiculous plus also those taling heads at CNN who want to have the photos are not the ones that will have to take them exposing themselves to possible disease and mental horrors. I suspect a lot of the photographers on the ground in NO are not keen on participating.


19 posted on 09/10/2005 7:52:09 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Chuck54; STARWISE; All
HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- At the request of CNN, a federal judge in Texas Friday night blocked emergency officials in New Orleans from preventing the media from covering the recovery of bodies from Hurricane Katrina.

A "state of emergency" is in effect. The situation is no longer under the jurisdiction of the judge.

I also wonder if this "judge" has anything to say about the unconstitutional confiscation of firearms from law-abing citizens defending their homes from looters and thugs.

20 posted on 09/10/2005 7:53:09 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: STARWISE

Didn't an appeals court rule against the military on this and allow journalists in?

There was an article yesterday or the day before that said the court ruled against the military's attempt to keep journalists out.


21 posted on 09/10/2005 7:53:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: IronJack
Maybe the voices in his head told him it was time to clean out the press.

Or maybe the voices in his head told him it was time to clean weapons.

Sometimes the press needs a kick in the head to show them that they aren't above the law.

22 posted on 09/10/2005 7:53:30 AM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zat˘ichi: I don't see much)
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To: STARWISE
OORAH, General!
23 posted on 09/10/2005 7:53:32 AM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: snugs

taling = talking


24 posted on 09/10/2005 7:53:43 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: cripplecreek

Do you have one of a buzzard with CNN painted on it?????


25 posted on 09/10/2005 7:55:15 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: STARWISE

They santized the airwaves of 9/11 pics just days after the event. Wonder why they are so gung-ho to publicize the corpses of this disaster?


26 posted on 09/10/2005 7:59:19 AM PDT by ez (What went wrong...Blanco kept the Red Cross out while Nagin kept the refugees in.)
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To: don-o

As a lesson in the changes PC has brought with it...after the Galveston Storm of 1900...looters and corpse photographers were shot on sight- no questions asked. Both activities stopped within 36 hours.


27 posted on 09/10/2005 8:00:12 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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New Orleans mayor faces tough questions-Some say feisty leader lost control

"On conservative talk radio, especially, Nagin has been characterized as an irrational and incompetent local official who lost control of his city, his police force and, ultimately, his senses when he publicly dressed down the president. Even some of his underlings think the critics may be right.

"He should have evacuated the place earlier," said one city firefighter, echoing a mostly whispered sentiment here as the collection of dead bodies begins in earnest. The firefighter asked not to be identified for fear of retribution.

Determining what could have been done better, and what mistakes were made, will take months and perhaps years. President Bush is among those vowing to do some accounting. In one recent interview, the mayor said that everyone, including him, shares the blame for the untold numbers of dead lying under the fetid waters that now cover 60 percent of the city. Pressed on the criticisms, Nagin shot back at a news conference this week: "To those who would criticize, where the hell were you?" he said. "Where the hell were you?"

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I guess because it's been such a disgusting drama queenish convention of idiots down there, but I'm cracking up at this whine of Nagin's. It's like the Menendez brothers whining that now they were orphans ... AFTER they killed their parents..... dear Lord, save us.

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This snippet from the above article:

"Nagin has shown signs that he wants to reach out. Once the Superdome and the Convention Center -- from which horrible scenes were broadcast around the world -- were cleared, Nagin thanked everyone who provided resources and complimented the Army lieutenant general who helped get the ball moving. He also has attempted to show his human side.

"You know, my heart is broken," Nagin said. "And, you know, it's, it's a tough thing, when you see a city that you love so much, and you see it so devastated and so -- almost dead, and you wonder what the future looks like. I'm basically homeless now."'

28 posted on 09/10/2005 8:01:01 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THE 911 TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: Chuck54

I suppose common decency is too much to expect.


29 posted on 09/10/2005 8:01:27 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: STARWISE

My Mom saw dead bodies in NO on CNN a couple nights ago - one had been murdered in a horrific way. No faces were shown but she wishes she had not seen this because as she says....you cannot UNsee what you have seen. Told her to quit watching CNN - they will be going for the sensational National Enquirer type coverage.


30 posted on 09/10/2005 8:05:48 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: cynicom
Heads up, CNN: You have a piece of paper from one mush-brained judge.

We have the decent people of America behind us (and we have the guns).

Any questions?

31 posted on 09/10/2005 8:06:11 AM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: Chuck54
Attorneys for the network argued that the ban was an unconstitutional prior restraint on news gathering.

There is no right to gather the news, only to publish what you have gathered. The press has no more right to be somewhere than members of the general public. In fact they have no special rights that the rest of us do not have.

OTOH, there is a "right of the people" to keep and bear arms, which the Constitution says "shall not be infringed" (or in the case of the LA Constitution, a "right of each citizen" which "shall not be abridged"). Where is court order restraining the police and National Guard from confiscating the arms of the citizens?

32 posted on 09/10/2005 8:06:23 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: mlc9852
I suppose common decency is too much to expect.

Common decency has never been a trademark of the MSM. "Bush's fault" is their mantra, their talking point, and their mission.

If the NO body count is "only" two or three hundred rest assured the MSM will not cover the "low" body count.

Their only interest is a "high" body count and their mantra, "Bush's fault." Believe it!

33 posted on 09/10/2005 8:06:49 AM PDT by Chuck54 (Confirm justice Roberts!)
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To: thoughtomator
The media vultures shouldn't be provided with corpses to pick over.

Tell that the Blanko and Mayor-i-not-a-drug-addict.
34 posted on 09/10/2005 8:08:07 AM PDT by uncitizen
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Allen briefing the VP the body language is very telling there is respect here which was not evident with GWB with the head of FEMA last week.


U.S. Coast Guard Chief of Staff Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, left, briefing Vice President Dick Cheney, right, on the status of Hurricane Katrina relief efforts aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima, Thursday, Sept. 8, 2005


President George W. Bush talks about Hurricane Katrina disaster relief with FEMA Director Mike Brown; Michael Chertoff, Sec Homeland Security, and Alphonso Jackson, Sec Housing and Urban Development. Sept. 2, 2005

35 posted on 09/10/2005 8:09:45 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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Can't wait to hear MotherMary's latest attack .. the witch .. I hope Honore SHUTS HER DOWN!

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Guest Lineup for the Sunday TV News Shows

ABC's "This Week" — Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen; Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.; the Dalai Lama.

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CBS'"Face the Nation" — Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore; Sens. Mary Landrieu, D-La., and Susan Collins, R-Maine.

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NBC's "Meet the Press" — New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin; Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; Ivor van Heerden, director of the Louisiana State University Hurricane Center; historian John M. Barry.

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CNN's "Late Edition" — Honore; Sen. David Vitter, R-La.; Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.; former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.; Gov. George Pataki, R-N.Y.; American Red Cross President Marty Evans; Baton Rouge, La., Mayor Melvin Holden; former Sept. 11 Commission Co-Chairmen Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton; Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.

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"Fox News Sunday" — Allen; Landrieu and Vitter.

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Where's Blank-o....???

36 posted on 09/10/2005 8:10:58 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THE 911 TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: TomGuy

Yes, Don't know if that was before or after this -- but if it was before, and Honore is simply saying "I don't care", then I'd like to see how many federal marshals the court can call to enforce their order.

I hope they will keep the cameras out.

I'd like to know the constitutional argument for saying I can't stay in my own home because it is too dangerous, but the news media can go wherever they want because of a "free press".

Maybe those who don't want to evacuate should write a little note, put "MY NAME PRESS" on the top, and post it at their door, and say "you can't take me, I'm covering the aftermath!!!"


37 posted on 09/10/2005 8:13:38 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: STARWISE

FRANKLY I AGREE WITH MY DAD VULTURES SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT


38 posted on 09/10/2005 8:16:08 AM PDT by marty60
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To: STARWISE

At last someone with a brain.


39 posted on 09/10/2005 8:17:09 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: tarheelswamprat
A "state of emergency" is in effect. The situation is no longer under the jurisdiction of the judge.

Where does that notion come from? It's within the Jurisdiction of the government of the United States, that makes it within the jurisdiction of the federal and state courts, if they are functioning, which they clearly are. Doesn't mean this judges decision is right. In fact, now that I think about it, the Fifth Circuit may not be functioning, unless it's set up in Houston, because it's normal location is New Orleans, which is less than a mile (in the drier direction) from the Superdome. Otherwise a federal district judge in Texas does not have jurisdiction in Louisiana.

40 posted on 09/10/2005 8:17:56 AM PDT by El Gato
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You're right ... the ghouls have won ..this just posted on CNN. I just don't understand why they would cave on this issues .. incredible.

U.S. drops banning media from body hunt- CNN filed suit for access to search for New Orleans' dead

HOUSTON, Texas (CNN) -- Rather than fight a lawsuit by CNN, the federal government abandoned its effort Saturday to prevent the media from reporting on the recovery of the dead in New Orleans.

Joint Task Force Katrina "has no plans to bar, impede or prevent news media from their news gathering and reporting activities in connection with the deceased Hurricane Katrina victim recovery efforts," said Col. Christian E. deGraff, representing the task force.

U.S. District Court Judge Keith Ellison issued a temporary restraining order Friday against a "zero access" policy announced earlier in the day by Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who is overseeing the federal relief effort in the city, and Terry Ebbert, the city's homeland security director.

In explaining the ban, Ebbert said, "we don't think that's proper" to let members of the media view the bodies.

The judge was to consider granting a permanent injunction Saturday when the government announced its decision not to fight CNN's lawsuit.

In an e-mail to CNN staff, CNN News Group President Jim Walton said the network filed the the lawsuit to "prohibit any agency from restricting its ability to fully and fairly cover" the hurricane victim recovery process.

(snip)

.....Walton wrote, "CNN has shown that it is capable of balancing vigorous reporting with respect for private concerns."

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Mods: I leave it up to your judgement -- if you think this thread should be pulled.

41 posted on 09/10/2005 8:20:14 AM PDT by STARWISE (GITMO IS TOO GOOD FOR THE 911 TRAITORS -- SEND THEM ALL TO EGYPT FOR QUESTIONING.)
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To: mlc9852
I suppose common decency is too much to expect.

It's the Mainstream Media. Any decency, common or otherwise, is way beyond too much to expect, depending on what you've been smoking or otherwise ingesting I suppose.

42 posted on 09/10/2005 8:20:22 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: daybreakcoming
I have no problem with seeing the bodies covered up eg in body bags because that is the reality of the situation what worries me is the initial finding them being shown live especially if shown before families are advised.

These pictures would possibly identify the people that have died either from where they are found or what they are wearing/identifying marks etc and therefore relatives or friends watching would see before they are officially advised.

Shots showing long range recovery after the bodies are placed in bag or covered IMHO is acceptable but any photos before that should only be taken and used for official identification and autopsy purposes and should not be released to the media or general public.
43 posted on 09/10/2005 8:21:39 AM PDT by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Chuck54
From Article: "At the request of CNN, a federal judge in Texas Friday night blocked emergency officials in New Orleans from preventing the media from covering the recovery of bodies from Hurricane Katrina."

I am so sick of the media. They DIDN'T want any pictures taken or shown of the 100's of people who jumped out of the World Trade Center, but they sure want pictures of all the dead and bloated drowning victims.

The difference is if they had shown the jumpers the people might have HATED THE TERRORISTS MORE, but if they show the bloated drowned people they will accomplish what they want and get a majority of the people to HATE THE GOVERNMENT MORE.

44 posted on 09/10/2005 8:22:37 AM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: ez
Wonder why they are so gung-ho to publicize the corpses of this disaster?

Because the only thing that motivates any of them is a hatred for President Bush.

The death of 9/11 'helped' him, because he was responding to the attack with strength. The death from this hurricane 'hurts' him, because they have been screaming that it was his fault from Day 1.

This, IMO, will result in the death of what is left of the MSM's credibility. Their hatred for this President has been their demise.

45 posted on 09/10/2005 8:22:55 AM PDT by ohioWfan (If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
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To: STARWISE
Where's Blank-o....???

Hidden away, only to be brought out for carefully selected photo ops with carefully scripted and focus-grouped lines.

Notice any pattern with those line-ups for the Sunday shows? VADM Allen vs. rabid-left hosts and race-warlord-in-training Obama? Lt. Gen Honore vs. rabid left host, rabid left Sen. Lanbrieu and lefty Sen. Collins? All around lib/Dim circle jerk on MTP?

46 posted on 09/10/2005 8:23:21 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: ez
They santized the airwaves of 9/11 pics just days after the event. Wonder why they are so gung-ho to publicize the corpses of this disaster?

Not only did they sanitize, I don't recall many, if any, pictures of dead bodies even early on. They showed the soon to be dead bodies plunging from the towers, and may have shown a body bag or covered corpse, but I don't recall anything like the picture of the dead guy outside the Convention center. A guy clearly not killed by the storm, BTW.

47 posted on 09/10/2005 8:23:30 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: STARWISE

Maybe the General can confiscate some cameras first and then deliver some street justice and explain common decency to some very ill people.


48 posted on 09/10/2005 8:24:01 AM PDT by BallyBill ("Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country...")
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To: STARWISE

HUMMMM, that Bitch Blanco really is a coward and a charlatan. since she has abducted the throne are Gov. of LA, who takes her place.


49 posted on 09/10/2005 8:25:55 AM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60
FRANKLY I AGREE WITH MY DAD VULTURES SHOULD BE SHOT ON SIGHT

You're giving vultures a bad name. Vultures and maggots clean up dead stuff, a partial solution to the problem. Media is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

50 posted on 09/10/2005 8:26:05 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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