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Flight 93 victims honored with Muslim Crescent?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/10/05 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 09/10/2005 1:14:53 PM PDT by wagglebee

A Pennsylvania pastor is fighting the newly approved design of the Flight 93 National Memorial, contending its crescent pattern is a symbol of Islam.

Rev. Ron McRae, head of the Bible Anabaptist Church near Jerome, Pa., about 55 miles from Pittsburgh, said a private group he formed might go to court to block the "Crescent of Embrace" memorial designed by Paul Murdoch Associates of Los Angeles.

"This is a memorial to the terrorists who killed those people, not a memorial to the folks who died there innocently," McRae told the Tribune-Democrat newspaper in Johnstown, Pa.

McRae of Conemaugh Township, Pa., is director and founder of the Lancaster-based Street Preachers Fellowship.

The heart of the memorial is a mile-long semicircle of red maples surrounding the place near Shanksville, Pa, where the flight's 40 passengers and crew were killed when the hijacked plane plunged into the ground Sept. 11, 2001.

The designer maintains he used the term crescent only in the architectural sense of a curved line.

"This is not about any religion per se," Murdoch told the Tribune-Democrat. "It's a spiritual space, and a sacred place, but it's open to anyone."

But McRae vows to fight it.

"They wouldn't dare put up the Ten Commandments or the cross of Christ, but they're going to put up a red crescent," he said. "We're not going to stand idly by and allow this to happen."

Several weblogs raised similar concerns about the design.

Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs asked: "Is this a coincidence, an example of amazing cluelessness, or something more deliberate?"

Ed Morrissey at Captain's Quarters said, "Can you imagine the outcry from the multiculturalists and the ACLU had the design incorporated a cross or a Star of David in honor of the victims? Why should we tolerate the Crescent that, inadvertently or deliberately, honors the terrorists?


Model of Flight 93 memorial


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"They wouldn't dare put up the Ten Commandments or the cross of Christ, but they're going to put up a red crescent," he said. "We're not going to stand idly by and allow this to happen."

I have a feeling that the heroes who brought down the plane would want to see this travesty burned to the ground.

1 posted on 09/10/2005 1:14:54 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

I would say that anything that could be twisted into a cresent would be in bad taste.

Give the trees a few years to grow and then take an arial picture in the fall. That picture would be all over the Arab world mo-ricky-tick.


2 posted on 09/10/2005 1:18:53 PM PDT by PeteB570
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To: wagglebee

The heroes of that flight do not deserve this slap in the face.


3 posted on 09/10/2005 1:20:42 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: All

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/12596768.htm

Posted on Fri, Sep. 09, 2005

"Preacher vows fight over Flight 93 memorial design"

Associated Press

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "SOMERSET, Pa. - A Somerset County preacher vowed to fight the design of the Flight 93 National Memorial, insisting that the crescent pathway used in the design is a symbol of Islam.

"This is a memorial to the terrorists who killed those people, not a memorial to the folks who died there innocently," said the Rev. Ron McRae, leader of the Bible Anabaptist Church near Jerome, about 55 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

"The crescent is as much connected to Islam as the cross is to Christianity," said McRae of Conemaugh Township, also listed as director and founder on the Web site of the Lancaster-based Street Preachers Fellowship.

McRae said the group may go to court to try to block the "Crescent of Embrace" memorial designed by Paul Murdoch Associates of Los Angeles. The design centers around a mile-long semicircle of red maples surrounding the point of impact, where 40 passengers and crew were killed when the hijacked plane crashed near Shanksville on Sept. 11, 2001.

Though not accepted by all Muslims, the crescent moon and star is an internationally recognized symbol of Islam and appears on the flags of many Muslim nations."


4 posted on 09/10/2005 1:21:48 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: wagglebee
This is what happens when our government insists that our enemies (who are trying to kill us) are members of a "religion of peace."

When the bullcrap starts at the top, don't be surprised how far it splatters when it rolls downhill.

5 posted on 09/10/2005 1:22:07 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: wagglebee
the "Crescent of Embrace" memorial designed by Paul Murdoch Associates of Los Angeles.

"This is a memorial to the terrorists who killed those people, not a memorial to the folks who died there innocently," McRae told the Tribune-Democrat newspaper in Johnstown, Pa."

"Makin' a list. Checkin' it twice."

Now where's my little black book..... P A U L M U R D O ... etc...

6 posted on 09/10/2005 1:23:04 PM PDT by Lester Moore (islam's allah is Satan and is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
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To: All

THIS IS NOT A MISTAKE

THIS IS 100% INTENTIONAL

I BET THIS WAS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE BLAME AMERICA FIRST CROWD.

THIS IS DISGUSTING.


7 posted on 09/10/2005 1:23:24 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee
Time to get involved in public "art".

1. Who is paying for this thing?

2. Whose land is it going on?

3. How can the families of the victims be educated?
8 posted on 09/10/2005 1:23:42 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Unbelievable! The UN would likely want to make this a World Heritage site and demand we keep those trees protected.


9 posted on 09/10/2005 1:25:21 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: wagglebee
Hitler had a monument of larches grown in the shape of
of a swastika..in order that it could be seen plainly from
the air..

This crescent is to be made of 'red' maples...its a red crescent...and seen from the air appears to mark the spot
where the flight ended the lives of all aboard...thanks
to Muslims..and their supporters among us..

Regardless of whether or not the 'artist' intended this
it is what it is...and many will find it offensive...

I'm sure the Muslims will find this most encouraging.. a sign from allah....

I say let the victims kinfolk have their say...

10 posted on 09/10/2005 1:26:44 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: wagglebee

Contacts:

Paul Murdoch Architects
5150 Wilshire Blvd., #504
Los Angeles, CA 90036

323-931-2271/p
323-931-9203/f

info@paulmurdocharchitects.com

http://www.paulmurdocharchitects.com/

http://www.flight93memorialproject.org/


11 posted on 09/10/2005 1:29:47 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: wagglebee

This is a joke, right? How have the families of those heroes on board that plane allowed this to happen?


12 posted on 09/10/2005 1:29:58 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: wagglebee
Some people really need to get a life. So what do we do now ban Crescents? No more Crescent rolls, New Orleans the Crescent City destroyed....coincidence? I wonder.
13 posted on 09/10/2005 1:30:41 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: wagglebee

http://www.flight93memorialproject.org/contactus.asp

Let the National Park Service know how we feel about this outrage:


By Phone
Superintendent - Flight 93 National Memorial
(814) 443-4557

By Fax
(814)443-2180


14 posted on 09/10/2005 1:31:25 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: wagglebee

The families of Flight 93 need to stand up. The designers and the committee that approved the design need to be told exactly where to stick it.


15 posted on 09/10/2005 1:32:32 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: wagglebee

This is disgusting. I'm not sure contacting the architects - the idiots who thought this up - will work. Is there anybody else we can contact?

I am totally aghast. Why memorialize the killers? I honestly can't think of a more inappropriate memorial.


16 posted on 09/10/2005 1:33:06 PM PDT by livius
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To: wagglebee

Look like this is Teresa Heinz' doing...


http://www.flight93memorialproject.org/competition_overview.asp

The Flight 93 National Memorial Design Competition has been funded through the generous support of the Heinz Endowments and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation.


17 posted on 09/10/2005 1:33:12 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Prime Choice

This is what happens when our government insists that our enemies (who are trying to kill us) are members of a "religion of peace."

Right like these guys.


India town buries U.S. Muslim soldier slain in Iraq
Reuters ^ | 9/4/04
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477079/posts

"I Punched Saddam in the Mouth"
River Front Times ^ | April 13, 2005 | CHAD GARRISON
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1391805/posts#6


18 posted on 09/10/2005 1:33:31 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: jimbo123

Thanks! I'm writing to the Park Service. Is there anybody else in charge of this?


19 posted on 09/10/2005 1:34:00 PM PDT by livius
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To: Valin

You're trying to make exceptions seem like the rule. Get over it already, chump.


20 posted on 09/10/2005 1:34:42 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: Valin
This is just not the right place to put a crescent.

The design of the memorial looks more like a monument to the murderers than to the victims.
21 posted on 09/10/2005 1:34:51 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: joesnuffy
Hitler had a monument of larches grown in the shape of of a swastika..in order that it could be seen plainly from the air..

Not analogous. The Germans making a holocaust monument in the shape of a swastika and calling it "Swastika of Embrace" would be analogous though.

22 posted on 09/10/2005 1:37:15 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: longtermmemmory

THIS IS NOT A MISTAKE

THIS IS 100% INTENTIONAL


Years ago, on Boston's Southeast Expressway, a natural gas tank was repainted with a modernistic set of irregular stripes. Some claimed that the leftmost stripe (the dark red one, if I recall correctly) bore a striking resemblance to a profile of Ho Chi Minh.

It would be interesting to look further into the background of the artist who thought this up. This in a day when the NCAA has seen fit to examine all sports team names for PC implications.


23 posted on 09/10/2005 1:37:36 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: wagglebee

Islamonazis don't care what is built there. So long as the ground is marked in some way so that they can build a mosque on this "holy site" once they dominate America.


24 posted on 09/10/2005 1:38:08 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: joesnuffy
For those who haven't seen what you are talking about...

I believe that it still remains.

25 posted on 09/10/2005 1:41:55 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: wagglebee

Then move the crescent. Keep the memorial with the windchimes for each victim of that flight.


26 posted on 09/10/2005 1:42:02 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than anyone can ever imagine. He is solid as a rock)
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To: Valin
So every Autumn around mid-September it becomes a red crescent, and that's just a trivial accident?

I suppose having an aerial cross, or flag, or 93 was too simple an idea.

27 posted on 09/10/2005 1:43:19 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

FL's motorcycle rights plate is three verticle stripes of red white and blue.

Any surprise if I tell you it was designed by a frenchman?


This was approved by committee, there is ZERO chance this was not intentional.

THIS IS 100% AN EFFORT TO SPIT AT THE USA AS A NATION.


28 posted on 09/10/2005 1:43:41 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Valin
Gah. My apologies for being a rude butthead.

My overreaction was uncalled for. I'm sorry.

29 posted on 09/10/2005 1:46:31 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

Yup, we got some homework to do!

This is just too creepy


30 posted on 09/10/2005 1:51:33 PM PDT by right-wingin_It
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To: Valin
Some people really need to get a life. So what do we do now ban Crescents?

Do we put swastika's on memorials for soldiers who have died in World War II? I don't think so. But would that be OK too?
31 posted on 09/10/2005 1:51:35 PM PDT by DoraC (To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.)
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To: kcar
As strange as this red crescent is as a design for this memorial, I think it is most likely accidental. Paul Murdoch Architects is a small firm with no obvious links to Islam and the design was approved by a board that consists of family members of those that died in flight 93.

That said, it is still one of the odd coincidences I can imagine. And it will probably be changed once the connection to Islam is pointed out to the families.

32 posted on 09/10/2005 1:54:06 PM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: wagglebee

This pastor definitely has a good point. We all know how artists want to hide behind their creativity, while at the same time promoting their biases. Whether the artist did this or not, deliberately or without thinking, it needs to be changed. I'm sure the Islams are laughing in the streets about this one. Wow!


33 posted on 09/10/2005 1:57:08 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Prime Choice
The fact is the vast majority of the world Muslims are not our enemies. No matter what people like you say. so get over it and gat with the program.
34 posted on 09/10/2005 1:58:54 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Dark Skies

You're more charitable than me. I seen and heard so many domestic enemies and traitors my suspicians are raised over anything like this. The Heinz Foundation connection heigthens my incredulity. Awaiting further facts, suspiciously...


35 posted on 09/10/2005 2:02:33 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: wagglebee; Admin Moderator; jimrob; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; ...
megaping of
PURE
UNADULTERATED
FURY

36 posted on 09/10/2005 2:03:10 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: DoraC

Do we put swastika's on memorials for soldiers who have died in World War II?

Apples and oranges.

So everything that has a cresent shape to it should be banned?


37 posted on 09/10/2005 2:09:16 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Valin
The fact is the vast majority of the world Muslims are not our enemies.

True enough, in fact we would not be able to prosecute the war against the terrorists without our Muslim Allies.

That said, those who executed the 9/11 attacks against the US did so under the banner if Islam. I believe that it is wrong to memorialize the victims of 9/11 with what looks for all the world like the symbol of their murderers.

The design needs to be changed.

38 posted on 09/10/2005 2:12:56 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (San Francisco - See It Before God Smites It.)
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To: Valin
These people are in serious need of Freud's famous admonition regarding dream imagery: "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
39 posted on 09/10/2005 2:13:36 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Valin
So everything that has a cresent shape to it should be banned?

Yes.

Right after we win the battle against French Toast.

40 posted on 09/10/2005 2:15:05 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Valin
So everything that has a cresent shape to it should be banned?

No, but it sure is inappropriate and insulting to the people who love those who have fallen. And by the way, that was a good comparison. There are few differences between Muslims and nazi's - perhaps that the latter are more moderate.
41 posted on 09/10/2005 2:16:38 PM PDT by DoraC (To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
True enough, in fact we would not be able to prosecute the war against the terrorists without our Muslim Allies.

What Muslim allies? The 'allies' who will betray us whenever the time is ripe? Whatever. Islam has, since its founding, always been a major force for murder, war and terrorism.
42 posted on 09/10/2005 2:18:15 PM PDT by DoraC (To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.)
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To: Valin
The fact is the vast majority of the world Muslims are not our enemies. No matter what people like you say. so get over it and gat with the program.

The fact is that a significant minority of Muslims do want to kill us. A siginificant portion of Muslims do not actively and loudly denounce that minority.

The militia of Flight 93 fought and died heroically against members of that hate-filled minority, and for the USA. Anything resembling a red crescent at their memorial would be flatly inappropriate. The shape crescent is okay for many other purposes, the moon, croissants, whatever, just not for this purpose, and certainly not the color red.

43 posted on 09/10/2005 2:21:02 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: King Prout
MOHAMMED WAS A PEDOPHILE



44 posted on 09/10/2005 2:22:23 PM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Dark Skies
A poster on Little Green Footballs found anti-Bush postings by this Murdoch guy online. He's an LA lefty. I'm not so sure it's a coincidence. He's awfully vehement about not changing anything in the design.
How hard would it be to plant sugar maples instead of red maples so the "crescent" was orange or golden? The fact that he seems unwilling to even consider the emotional reaction in so many people(including the committee) makes me believe he's just another Sheehani.
45 posted on 09/10/2005 2:22:26 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF
I believe that it is wrong to memorialize the victims of 9/11 with what looks for all the world like the symbol of their murderers.



IMO (freely given and worth almost that much) people are looking for a fight where there isn't one. It's a crescent for goodness sakes. If they had a star on it that would be something different, but it doesn't.
46 posted on 09/10/2005 2:26:40 PM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: King Prout

Unbelievable!


47 posted on 09/10/2005 2:30:46 PM PDT by Translates
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To: Sisku Hanne
Incredible. The design even includes a smaller group of trees to represent the star that accompanies the crescent moon.

A quick lookup and I see that the following Islamic countries have seen fit to honor the crescent moon and star(s) design by featuring it in their flags:

Azerbaijan, Kazakstan, Malaysia, Maldives, Pakistan, Singapore, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Algeria, Angola, Mauritania, and Tunisia.

Here is Pakistan's flag:

48 posted on 09/10/2005 2:35:10 PM PDT by Jeff F
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To: Translates

On TV tomorrow night:
Flight 93 The Flight That Fought Back
Presented without commercial interruption
Sunday, Sept. 11, 9 p.m. ET/PT. Discovery Channel


49 posted on 09/10/2005 2:36:18 PM PDT by Translates
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To: Jeff F
Or if you want it in red, then we can go to Turkey:


50 posted on 09/10/2005 2:36:38 PM PDT by Jeff F
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