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Cease Fire on Animals Streets of New Orleans (Please Sign Petition)
Petition Site ^ | 9/10/05

Posted on 09/10/2005 11:21:16 PM PDT by BagCamAddict

Please sign the online petition to stop the killing of pets in New Orleans. Conflicting reports abound, regarding whether orders have been given to shoot abandoned pets. But just in case it is or becomes true, please sign the online petitions below to STOP the killing:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/366281507?ltl=1126417990

And the following petition adds the words "and their pets" to the order to evacuate people from New Orleans. Please sign it also:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/840979272?ltl=1126071044


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To: Sally'sConcerns

In other words, you have nothing relevent or rational left to say, having been informed of the knowledge of my experience regarding packs/dominance/social interaction of dogs.


Sorry if I "ruined" your the fun of your pseudo-lofty pontification....:)

I guess I'll just call it a default and be done with it.







301 posted on 09/12/2005 4:34:53 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander
Quite simply, you ceased to do anything other than bore me since you had nothing new to add to my knowledge of dogs and their formation of packs. Simply put, I like a challenge and you either were incapable of providing one or had none to offer.

Call it what you like and if it gives you pleasure to think you ruined my fun, I have a little clue for you. I find nothing fun about the discussing of euthanizing dogs or cats or most any animal for that matter.

If you do ever have anything relevant to add to the discussion, please feel free to ping me.

302 posted on 09/12/2005 5:44:57 AM PDT by Sally'sConcerns
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To: Salamander

How you treat an animal reveals your soul, IMO.

This has been an "elightening" experience on FR.

Never did I expect to find "opinions" such as *these* here.



I have learned to judge people by how they behave toward pets. Cats in particular seem to bear the brunt of the brutality.

I must say, though, that if one of these Keyboard Kommandos was ever to try abusing one of our cats, our DOG would likely end me up in court. :)

It's discouraging to think someone to be civilized, mature, rational... and then discover a base meanness that would, in someone going through puberty, result in some long term heavy duty "counseling".

I don't know if it's some twisted concept of manhood ("Real men don't like cats -- FAGS like cats!"), or a culture that systematically pounds the humanity out of people as they're getting older (I hesitate to say "growing up", because I don't see that happening very much these days), but the end result is the same, and it's something that will have repercussions no one would rationally want to see.

I'm not going to "invoke Godwin", but I'll simply say that for anyone who wants to do some research into how various failed societies have treated pets -- and used brutality toward pets as a way to desensitize and dehumanize children, so as to make them more perfectly mouldable by the state... it might be a good idea to do that research. :)

PS: Regarding the near-ubiquitous "FAGS like cats!", well, so did Robert Heinlein. And Ernest Hemingway. And plenty of other guys who didn't exactly fit that stereotype. (Me, when I hear "Fags like cats", I think to myself, "well, there's ONE thing they got right!)

And as to the damnable MEANESS revealed in the ability to abuse a small helpless animal that's disposed to think of humans as FRIENDS, well... sick. Sick, and sad.

When I was a kid, way back in the 1950s, there was a kid that I was told would go around (among other things) strangling cats. I have no idea where he's at now, if he's still alive. I'm not that concerned, though, because I really doubt that he's still alive. Total whack-job.

This all begs the issue of the "real men" who post HERE, with stuff ranging from UNfunny "cat jokes", all the way up to and including unvarnished hatred for the creatures.

I've even seen people casually mention stuff like shooting cats that annoyed them. (Granted it was a few years ago, and I've thankfully forgotten who it was.)

It's people that that who are the reason that I tend to AVOID reading the "pet threads". Life is rough enough already, without having supposedly top-shelf responsible adults acting like pre-teen psychos.

Curiously, I DON'T seem to see the inverse; I don't seem to see people tracking others into "THEIR" topic threads to taunt, insult, attack, ridicule, etc. Live and let live seems to be a one-way street when domestic pets are concerned. A certain class of individual seems incapable of sufficient self-restraint to keep them from diving into the pet threads and pissing on the walls.

Like I said, who are the REAL animals?

Hey, guys -- if you REALLY can't help it, you might want to see your local vet. There's a.. ahem... "minor out-patient surgical procedure" that will help you get over that "spraying" problem.

I'm tired, I'm rambling, and I'm waiting for the painkillers. (Too much of life in half a miserable century, the bills come due. Too many car wrecks, ladder-falls, motorcycle spills... you know, the kind of stuff "real men" avoid, so that they'll protect their dog-kickin' swing.)

Nite, all.


303 posted on 09/12/2005 6:33:38 AM PDT by Tom Thumbs
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To: BagCamAddict

Take out Snowball!!!!


304 posted on 09/12/2005 6:35:54 AM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: BagCamAddict
My priorities are in order, thank you.

Makes you wonder about G-d's priorities, as well. He had Noah bring the animals into the shelter of the ark, while the rest of the humans...well, they didn't fare as well. :-) It is apparent that G-d loves animals just as much as many of us on this thread. Probably even more so.

305 posted on 09/12/2005 6:41:49 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: rollinginmybuggy
that was disgusting

It was meant to be. Argument with these people is futile.

306 posted on 09/12/2005 8:46:44 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
"Argument with these people is futile."

Agreed.

Some [but not all] of those who took the opposing stance appear to be determined to see the pets [particularly the dogs, for some reason] expediently & efficiently butchered rather than allow -other people- to help them as much as possible.

I'm still awaiting an answer to the question posed by another poster;

What compels people who have no personal interest in a given topic [or cause or passion] to come and harass those who do?
307 posted on 09/12/2005 12:30:38 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Tom Thumbs

Interestingly enough, I've only experienced 2 "wars" on FR.

The current 'issue' are the threads in which I champion giving the animals every chance possible.

The previous 'issue' were all the threads in which I championed giving Terri Schiavo every chance possible.

Same song, different verse.

Regardless of the all semantic tap-dancing and moral equivalency offered by some as "logic", I can do no less than to always err on the side of life and hope.

One day I'll have to answer to God and I'd rather show up with the "sin" of arguing *for* life on my conscience than arguing against.













308 posted on 09/12/2005 12:49:07 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander
I'm still awaiting an answer to the question posed by another poster;

What compels people who have no personal interest in a given topic [or cause or passion] to come and harass those who do?

That's just it, it is a "compulsion" that these people have. I reckon there are many reasons from Freudian to simple, "drive-by" commenting. Some read more into the original post and posts than is really there. I have yet to have been on an animal thread where the beginning article, or the following replies did not, in any way, advocate the saving animals before humans, but there is invariably the poster who must make the universal declaration of; "get your priorities straight!".

It's for some, a misunderstanding and human nature. For others, it's a pathology. I'd hate to be the latter's kids and those kids animals.

309 posted on 09/12/2005 1:08:40 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: elbucko
"drive-by" commenting"

Thank you for a much-needed laugh in the midst of all this misery, angst and contempt....:))

I previously asked whether comprehensive reading is still taught in schools but am now retracting that question as irrelevant.

I think it's less a *lack* of comprehension than a *refusal* to comprehend.

[I never saw any "damn the people! save the critters first!" posts either but apparently some have "seen" them]...LOL!

Some people see what they believe rather than vice versa.
310 posted on 09/12/2005 1:35:31 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Sally'sConcerns

I agree with you that people will be people, and understand your concern about how do you get them to pick up after their dogs, but it would work like this:

1. There are scoops and lined garbage cans provided at each of the "dog walking" stations. Additionally, plastic baggies can/should be provided. So there is no excuse of "I didn't have a scooper/baggie with me."

2. Peer pressure. There is usually more than one person walking their dog at the same time, so no one can sneak away and not do it. If they do, responsible owners these days usually say something like "You forgot to scoop."

3. The emergency shelters, unlike dog shows, will probably be staffed with some Red Cross or other volunteer workers. They can monitor to be sure everyone follows the rules. They shouldn't do it FOR the people, but they can be stationed near the exercising pens and "remind" people they have to clean up.

4. Of course signs should be posted, for anyone who doesn't have a clue about proper doggy ettiquette.

5. At the shelters, there will be people of all kinds, and because people get bored and most people feel better when they have something productive to do, they could take turns monitoring and/or cleaning the potty stations. The stations will, at some point, need to have the sawdust/wood chips changed out, so that is something people can pitch in and do together as they wait out the disaster.

6. Kids. Kids at the shelters can help, and if they participate in Scout or 4-H or FFA programs, they could earn badges for their help.

As for implementing it, I hope to write up a suggested plan of action and submit it to my own state government for our disaster plans. As I said before, the necessary supplies are a relatively minor expense compared to the alternative (of rescuing people/pets). Surely there are already warehouses where emergency preparedness supplies are stored, so adding pet crates, chain-link fencing, plastic tarps, and bags of sawdust/wood chips would not be too difficult. Where there's a will, there's a way. The tough part will be getting the government to find the will.


311 posted on 09/12/2005 3:50:42 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

All they really need is a plastic lined pit filled with quick lime.
Toss in the dog doo and it's decomposed rapidly.
Fast and sanitary...:)


312 posted on 09/12/2005 4:40:34 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander

For the disposal, yes. I was describing the actual place within a building/shelter that the dogs would potty. It takes a pretty desperate dog to just squat and do his/her business on a concrete floor inside a building with a zillion people milling around. They have been taught not to go inside, so they have to be nearly exploding before they'll go... and in my experience, some dogs who hold it that long end up with diarrhea due to the stress of holding it. Diarrhea on concrete in a shelter... not a pretty sight. So I was describing the potty pens they use at dog shows, which work as well as they can, under the circumstances.


313 posted on 09/12/2005 5:08:55 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: papertyger; Salamander

You should read today's entry for the Oregon Humane Society. They saved a whole "pack" of Rottweilers from one house. 3 of the 4 Rotties wiggled and wagged the whole time, despite having no food or water this whole time. I'll let you read about the 4th Rottie yourself.


314 posted on 09/12/2005 5:11:32 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: papertyger; Salamander

Here's the link:

http://www.oregonhumane.org/diary/index.htm#day9


315 posted on 09/12/2005 5:13:14 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: Black Tooth
Abandon her? They'd have to kill me first.

DITTO!

316 posted on 09/12/2005 5:48:56 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: who knows what evil?

Your biblical "knowledge" is stunning!

Noah brought aboard 2 of each kind of animal, one male, one female.

But he drowned EVERY OTHER ONE ON THE PLANET!!!

Way to make your point apparent......the one on top of your head.


317 posted on 09/12/2005 5:56:56 PM PDT by American_Centurion (A liberal is a socialist who isn't quite willing to get blood on his hands yet. -KarlInOhio)
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To: papertyger; Salamander

:-((

This blog from one shelter mentions a Search & Rescue dog that died from chemical burns from the water in Mississippi. When I called the Governor's hotline Saturday night, he had mentioned that they had lost a couple of search dogs due to the chemicals in the water, but I wasn't sure whether to believe him or not. Dying that quickly leads me to believe they must have been searching very near some of the chemical plants in the area, because the chemical concentrations in that water shouldn't be so extremely toxic (due to dilution) unless it's very near the source where it hasn't yet been diluted.

Very sad. SAR dogs are a very valuable resource. Not to mention the grief for their owners/handlers.

http://www.reflector.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/communities/katrina_animals/index.html


318 posted on 09/12/2005 5:57:30 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: American_Centurion; who knows what evil?

Geez. I think the point was that Noah wasn't asked to build an ark and fill it with as many humans as it could hold. He was asked to fill it with animals. If God believed in the "ALL humans before ANY animals" theory that some on this thread are promoting, he clearly wouldn't have directed Noah to fill the ark with animals while humans perished.


319 posted on 09/12/2005 6:00:42 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

We'll see and hear more such tragic, selfless stories before it's all over.

Do they mention the breeds of the SAR dogs who died?

It might be wiser to use water dog breeds if possible, due their insulating and somewhat "water proof" undercoats for such areas.

I certainly wouldn't use a breed with short, single-coated hair and delicate skin.

I hope the mayor and governor are both sleeping well at night.

The blood of many stains their hands


320 posted on 09/12/2005 6:46:05 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

Ah...gotcha....:))


[how about a cordoned-off area filled with plain old dirt? sort of like a big doggy litter box?]


321 posted on 09/12/2005 6:47:58 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

Aw jeeze.

I don't think I can look at those pages this soon again.

Maybe later tonight.

They're doing so well and saving so many but you can see the sadness in the eyes of the dogs.
How much they must be grieving for their owners...wondering why they aren't there with them.


322 posted on 09/12/2005 6:53:57 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict
*sniffle*

You owe me for a LOT of Kleenex!...;)

God bless those people a million, billion times over.

[OMG!...look here! It's a savage feral pack mauling something!]

AAAAUGH!

DINGOS ATE MY BABY KIBBLE!!!!!

323 posted on 09/12/2005 7:00:56 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

*Most* people got the point....;)


324 posted on 09/12/2005 7:02:13 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict
Whatever you need to justify your unnatural animal "love" man.

Fact is God DID drown EVERY OTHER ANIMAL ON THE PLANET.

Aside from the idiocy of the first point. Your second point is terribly flawed too. God chose Noah and his family because they were good, KILLING EVERY OTHER HUMAN WAS THE POINT OF THE FLOOD!

Nice straw man, don't smoke next to it, I think it's soaked with gasoline.
325 posted on 09/12/2005 7:05:29 PM PDT by American_Centurion (A liberal is a socialist who isn't quite willing to get blood on his hands yet. -KarlInOhio)
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To: BagCamAddict

Thanks for sharing that link!


326 posted on 09/12/2005 7:09:45 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Salamander

They pee in it, so the dirt not only makes mud which would be tracked all around the shelter, but it's heavy, especially when weighted down with pee.

The wood chips / sawdust / shavings are lightweight, absorb the pee, and easy to shovel up into garbage bags for disposal. Plus, big plastic bags of these wood shavings can be stored at the pre-disaster warehouses, and can be stored at the shelters themselves when they are setup. Think of the big bales of wood shavings sold at pet and feed supply stores for lining cages or dog beds. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Very easy to work with, both before and after being "used."


327 posted on 09/12/2005 8:08:23 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

What was I thinking?
Why does't anybody make 'scoopable' doggy litter?


I have a bale of those shavings that I use for my bunnies, geese and goat.
Wonder if I could convince the dogs to do everything on a pile of them placed out in the yard?

[I know, I know...I'm a dreamer]...;)


328 posted on 09/12/2005 8:16:43 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: MarMema; Salamander

I called the Oregon Humane Society today and asked them the status of the older Rottie. She said she would ask the team when they check in, but because the team rescues and then transfers the animals to the triage units, they often don't know what happens to them after they leave them. I said "I bet they'll follow the status of THIS one."

I also asked her to ask them what kind of numbers of dead animals they are seeing. She said their blogs are representative of what they're seeing, i.e., they're not spinning it to the good and leaving out the horrors. So far, most of the animals they've encountered have been in fairly good shape. But she said they're all worried about what they'll find when they get into some of the worst flooded areas, and the chemicals in the water.

The Oregon team hasn't been working in the flooded areas. The Oregon team drove down with Animal Control trucks, so they have been used in the areas that were either not flooded or only lightly flooded.

Does anyone have a link to other rescue blogs for rescuers who ARE working in flooded areas?


329 posted on 09/12/2005 8:16:43 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: Salamander

Well actually... if you start when they're puppies I KNOW from experience you can do this. I have cedar chips in my dog run. When I whelped my litter, I put a low-sided box of cedar chips in the whelping box and the pups learned to potty in it. Helped keep the whelping box clean.

Some people have a very tiny patch of grass just for their dogs to potty on. They train the dogs (or the dogs prefer?) to potty in just that area.


330 posted on 09/12/2005 8:22:06 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

Mine run off to the 4 furtherest corners of yard, back up into the bushes or behind trees and go.

[I guess they're shy like that]..;))


331 posted on 09/12/2005 8:23:43 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

been watching this page

http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=hurricane_diary

http://www.humanesociety.com

[busy site, slow loading]

and

http://www.noahswish.org

Don't know of others but will look around


332 posted on 09/12/2005 8:26:33 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

http://www.petfinder.com/disaster/

http://www.animalrescue.net/

http://www.hsus.org/

http://www.uan.org/ears/action_report.html

http://www.animalrescuefoundation.org/katrina.htm

http://www.vetmed.lsu.edu/

So far....


333 posted on 09/12/2005 8:32:29 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

http://news.bestfriends.org/index.cfm?page=specialreports&mode=cat&catid=04061773-BDB9-396E-9001EF6EC01318A4


334 posted on 09/12/2005 8:39:55 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: MarMema; BagCamAddict


335 posted on 09/14/2005 12:18:26 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander

Oh Geez.... now it's getting bad. That poor skinny baby with it's pasterns all broken down and everything. Bless those Guardsmen for feeding him. I hope they rescued him so he can be fattened up.

And please tell me the photographer of the first pup rescued him/her???

Have you seen the story of the "DOG IN BOAT" ?


336 posted on 09/14/2005 1:09:27 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: Salamander

It's good that most dog owners have their dogs too fat in the first place, so they had some extra fat to live off for the last 2 weeks. But some owners have their dogs half-starved to begin with, and I think this skinny boy may have been one of those. Either that or he had been trapped inside a house or on a chain somewhere with no food. Because it seems like there would be a survive-able amount of trash/food and/or carcasses around that dogs/cats who are able to scavenge could do so. Unless they're just too scared to venture out of their familiar territory to scavenge.


337 posted on 09/14/2005 1:10:02 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: Salamander

"How you treat an animal reveals your soul, IMO."


It sure does!!


338 posted on 09/14/2005 1:13:07 PM PDT by Gimme
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To: Salamander

I called HSUS this morning to suggest they use LIVE TRAPS to catch some of these strays. As you know, scared dogs are not easy to capture out on the streets. I know my dogs wouldn't go to strangers - they'd run.

They're setting up feeding/watering stations for the animals they can't catch. So I suggested they put out dozens of live traps. Then they don't have to spend valuable rescue time on trying to catch dogs/cats that are hard/impossible to catch. And they can also send less-qualified volunteers out in the morning to retrieve the trapped animals and replace them with new traps. This is something virtually untrained people can do, so the trained Animal Control and Search & Rescue people can keep rescuing animals trapped within houses without food/water.

The woman I spoke with on the HSUS call center said that was a NEW suggestion as far as she knew, and she was going to put it into the system right away. So if you have any contacts at other rescue groups, you might call them and make that suggestion, just in case it really is an idea that hasn't been implemented yet. I know I haven't READ anything about the use of live traps yet. Have you?


339 posted on 09/14/2005 1:14:55 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

The swimming pit bull was cut loose from the chain he was on and he swam after the rescue boat for a while but then swam back to his own house.

They gave him food and water there.

The skinny pup looks like it wasn't weaned that long ago and probably had no fat reserves built up.

The page that came from tells of dogs everywhere trying to actually jump INTO the soldier's trucks as they drive through.

[of course, they may be some of those "vicious feral pack dogs" and are actually trying to attack the soldiers]..../dripping sarcasm

Is "DOG IN BOAT" sad?

I've about had my fill of sad.

Too bad I wasn't looking to lose weight because these pitiful dogs sure have put me off my feed...:-\


340 posted on 09/14/2005 4:54:39 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

Caption from skinny puppy pic;
"Spec. Mikel Rizzuto, 21, stands on top of his Humvee while Spec. Clint Freitag, 25, feeds a dog on an abandoned street in New Orleans, Wednesday afternoon, Sept. 7, 2005. Many pets were abandoned when people had to leave their homes due to Hurricane Katrina. The soldiers are with the 1137th National Guard Military Police from Jefferson Barracks. (Ap Photo/The St. Louis Post Dispatch, J. B. Forbes)"

The rest can be found here;

http://www.herald-mail.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=katrina&page=1

They keep adding more pics of everything going on so bookmark the page if you want.


341 posted on 09/14/2005 5:00:13 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Gimme

And I've had the misfortune to tangle with some pretty bleak souls over these animals on this thread.

I never would've believed it of FR if I hadn't see it....:(


342 posted on 09/14/2005 5:02:42 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

BRILLIANT idea!

Some breeds are naturally "offish" to strangers but no starving dog can resist a bunch of food lying around..


My dogs don't even like strangers coming up to pet them while we're in PetsMart, never mind a flooded city with "mom and dad" gone.

They won't even take treats from strangers while I'm right there.


343 posted on 09/14/2005 5:09:05 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander

I spoke with my contact at the Oregon Humane Society just now:

UPDATE: The old Rottweiler OHS rescued is doing fine and was seen being taken for a gentle walk around the compound.

I was worried he would survive just long enough to die at the shelter, but it looks like he's getting a little better each day. But I am so happy to hear he is doing better 2 days after being rescued.

I mentioned live traps to her: She said the problem is the receiving shelters are overwhelmed and can't really take in any more animals. So they aren't ready to trap animals yet. Now they're focusing on feeding/watering in-place - in homes/yards, and at scattered feeding stations for the loose animals.

I suggested they put out the request for live traps NOW so that when they ARE ready to use them, they have them and don't have to wait yet another week for the traps to be shipped to them.


344 posted on 09/14/2005 6:19:15 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

Good news and a good plan.....:)

*If* the animals are not in immediate physical danger, some of them may actually psychologically fare better by being fed at their homes.

Are they making any sort of database matching up houses where animals are found and the people who own the houses?


345 posted on 09/14/2005 6:27:28 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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"DOG IN BOAT" has a happy ending -- the dog in the boat was rescued -- but yes, of course it's sad!

But if you're feeling brave:

http://news.bestfriends.org/index.cfm?page=specialreports&catid=04061773-BDB9-396E-9001EF6EC01318A4&mode=entry&entry=4FF0F3B0-BDB9-396E-96BA6ABE8A1090B3&stid=2


346 posted on 09/14/2005 6:34:12 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: Salamander

re. the database of animals found at houses and homeowners:

Not that I am aware of. That's an excellent idea. They're in frantic rescue mode right now. As you know, they're going out to specific addresses where owners have called in a request for rescue. Those owners have given instructions to either feed in place or rescue. When they encounter other animals not on their list, as in the 4 Rottweilers, they used to rescue them, but now that the shelters are virtually all full, they have to feed in place unless the animals are in dire circumstances. That's why they rescued the 4 Rotties rather than leaving them.

At the moment, they're not making efforts to find the humans that go with the animals, they're leaving it to the humans to find their animals. But they are making records of WHERE the animals came from that they rescue. So the 4 Rotties will have their house address recorded on their paperwork.

Perhaps eventually they'll try to backtrack the owners by their (former?) addresses. But right now, people are still having a hard time finding other people - no one knows where anyone is. So even if they did have a database with the owner's name based on the address, they wouldn't have any way to track down that owner... Where is he/she? In the Houston Astrodome? Shipped off to a shelter in Oklahoma? With family in New York? Who knows.

This disaster sure makes a good argument for:
a. crate-training your animals
b. microchipping your animals
c. carrying pictures of your animals in your wallet

And obviously the most important one: TAKE YOUR ANIMALS WITH YOU.


347 posted on 09/14/2005 6:43:05 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

Awwww....what a face!

Thank God they found her....:)


348 posted on 09/14/2005 6:44:36 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

This disaster sure makes a good argument for:
a. crate-training your animals
b. microchipping your animals
c. carrying pictures of your animals in your wallet

And obviously the most important one: TAKE YOUR ANIMALS WITH YOU.




Can't be repeated too often.
One of my dogs is chipped.
The others have my SS# tattooed on them.
One way or another, they're all tied to me permanently.




349 posted on 09/14/2005 6:49:17 PM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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database matching up houses where animals are found and the people who own the houses

I swear I just posted a reply to this, but don't see it, so maybe I just closed the window rather than clicking "post"!!

Anyway: No, not at this time. Too busy rescuing. They record addresses where they rescue animals and that record stays with the animal. For OHS, their primary mission has been going to specific addresses where owners have called in a "please rescue" request. The owners say whether to rescue or feed-in-place.

When they find other animals, such as the 4 Rotties, they used to rescue them. Now that the shelters are almost all full, they feed in place unless the situation is dire. In the case of the Rotties, they determined it was dire (at least for the old guy), so they rescued him (them?).

At this time, they're leaving it to the owners to find their animals. People can't even find people right now, being dispersed to separate shelters, etc. Children are still separated from parents. So the animal shelters wouldn't have any way to FIND the humans right now even if they did have the database. But since they're recording house addresses, they could develop that in the future once the urgent need to rescue is passed. I'll pass that suggestion on to my contact.

350 posted on 09/14/2005 6:50:22 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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