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Cease Fire on Animals Streets of New Orleans (Please Sign Petition)
Petition Site ^ | 9/10/05

Posted on 09/10/2005 11:21:16 PM PDT by BagCamAddict

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To: rollinginmybuggy

And they currently have the greatest power to save the pets.

To indulge myself in a little hypothetical hyperbole, would you refuse to have your life saved from a natrual disaster because of a political principal?

Because the "wrong wing" came to get you?

Dogs don't vote and won't care what "wing" fishes them out of the water and feeds them.

Good lord...can't you come up with a *different* angle to harp on, at least?


101 posted on 09/11/2005 1:25:07 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Nathan Zachary

And not all of them are kill factories. The Humane Society does alot of euthanizing, but not all do. My breed always tries to rescue our dogs from kill shelters and find permanent homes for them. But there are "no-kill" shelters out there. Shades of gray, of course.


102 posted on 09/11/2005 1:25:53 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: Salamander

Your post is completely irrevelant because we are talking about DOGS in this thread. Not human beings like me.


103 posted on 09/11/2005 1:27:38 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: BagCamAddict
Americans must learn from Kat and the current feckless governments' indecision makers - and the mortal danger from homegrown wilding predators, having learned little from 9/11. In good times we ourselves must prepare for our own own families and that includes pets. Do not force your problems on others. Sorry Boy Scouts of America, "Be Prepared, or DIE."

If SHTF where you live, you feed Fido, evacuate yourself with fido, you be prepared to wok Fido or just waste it to avoid its torture in thirst, famine, filth and lonliness.

104 posted on 09/11/2005 1:28:00 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: papertyger

Outside of search and rescue personnel, practically *nobody* is equipped for a disaster such as this.

Another diversion from the intention of the efforts.

These people are;

http://www.noahswish.org/

Send -them- money and then you can put your mind at ease.


105 posted on 09/11/2005 1:28:11 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: rollinginmybuggy

Welcome to Free Republic. Baiting other posters is a good way to lose your posting privileges.


106 posted on 09/11/2005 1:29:12 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Salamander

The fact remains that the OP posted and is promoting a radical left wing extremist site. And you seem to see that as just fine.

I find it offensive to promote the web sites of our enemies. Don't you?


107 posted on 09/11/2005 1:29:20 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: Nathan Zachary
Every animal shelter, humane society does it.

Not like this:

Two on PETA staff charged with cruelty to animals

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=87943&ran=155298&tref=po

And lots more...

http://www.fbresearch.org/Deathvan/timeline.htm

108 posted on 09/11/2005 1:30:31 AM PDT by zipper (Freedom Isn't Free)
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To: rollinginmybuggy
Or perhaps he's just a kind, humane soul who isn't paranoid enough to conduct an exhaustive "whois" investigative search on every website he sees.
109 posted on 09/11/2005 1:30:49 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander

Look, it's real simple. If these "rescuers" are qualified to operate in the area, they *should* be helping secure the area. If they're not qualified, they shouldn't be in the area.

There is no third way no matter how much hyperbole you pour out.


110 posted on 09/11/2005 1:31:09 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: KingKongCobra
Excuse me? So, mutts are just as important as children and elderly? Get a grip.

You get a grip. I'm not going to argue "importance" of dogs vs. children or elderly. I didn't say anything about "importance" so don't put words into my mouth. I said what I meant, which is that we're responsible for their welfare when we bring them into our homes as our pets. And we shouldn't HAVE to choose to rescue or evacuate one OR the other. If a person can't be a responsible pet owner, which includes taking CARE of them, then they shouldn't have pets in the first place. Can you grip that??

111 posted on 09/11/2005 1:31:27 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: benjaminjjones

Good God.
You're trapped in Boston?!?

You have my sympathies.

[No wonder you're so punchy]....LOL!


112 posted on 09/11/2005 1:32:11 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander

He already knew that information if he signed the petition. So your defense falls flat.


113 posted on 09/11/2005 1:33:09 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: BagCamAddict

OK, in this case there were pets left behind. Do you feel that rescuing the pets is as important as rescuing the humans?

A simple yes or no will suffice.


114 posted on 09/11/2005 1:34:24 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: Salamander
Outside of search and rescue personnel, practically *nobody* is equipped for a disaster such as this.

Exactly my point. It's not just a triage of people, it's a triage *area*. Unqualilfied people are just going to get themselves and others hurt.

115 posted on 09/11/2005 1:36:24 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Eva

A dog found "running in a pack getting vicious" is one thing. Somebody's cat or dog who always stayed inside (particular cats) is another.


116 posted on 09/11/2005 1:38:30 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Still on that, are you? Once again, they are not saving animals at the expense of people. I think you have something against animals. Did your daddy give away your dog when you were a child or something?


117 posted on 09/11/2005 1:39:07 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Nathan Zachary

Some did take their pets and had their pets taken from them to be dropped by the roadside.

What of those people?


Have they no right to weep?

And to clarify things a bit, I am furious at those who had the means to move their pets but figured "it'll only be a couple of days and we'll be back".

I'm also p*ssed at those who had exceptionally ample warning; enough time, in fact, to -walk- out if they had no other way.


If I knew something like that storm was headed my way, I would have -all- my animals gone from here with plenty of time to spare.

There would be no "oh, it'll only be a couple of days" crap, either.






118 posted on 09/11/2005 1:39:15 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BurbankKarl

LOL!


119 posted on 09/11/2005 1:39:37 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: rollinginmybuggy

120 posted on 09/11/2005 1:41:14 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: rollinginmybuggy
Dictionary.com:

Promote: To attempt to sell or popularize by advertising or publicity

No, I was not "promoting" that website. I was "promoting" that petition. Big difference, in case you hadn't noticed.

But you're too busy "promoting" your anti-lib agenda on this thread to notice that. For your first day posting, one would think you'd be a little less antagonistic. Now I'm done engaging with you. You're not worth my time.

121 posted on 09/11/2005 1:41:49 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BurbankKarl

gator time huh?


122 posted on 09/11/2005 1:42:14 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: rollinginmybuggy

You are beginning to reek of desperation.

That was so outre´ and obliquely ad hominem as to be almost humorous....:)

And ending on that pathetic note, I believe we are done.


123 posted on 09/11/2005 1:42:54 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: BagCamAddict

Some fancy semantic dancing there my friend.


124 posted on 09/11/2005 1:43:35 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: Flux Capacitor

click the link for a pic of the statue of "Old Yeller" which was written by Fred Gipson of Mason Texas...just outside the library in Mason...
http://www.texasbob.com/cards/14cardpic.jpg


125 posted on 09/11/2005 1:44:00 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Salamander
There would be no "oh, it'll only be a couple of days" crap, either.

I sure enough agree with you there. Mine don't get left...period.

It's not like these people are strangers to hurricane activity. We haven't seen a bad one for forty some years, but I'm still ready to bug in less than four hours.

126 posted on 09/11/2005 1:45:38 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: BagCamAddict

Haven't you figured the Buggy out yet?

It's *not* the principle *or* the issue; it's the frisson of the argument.

Ignore him....:)


127 posted on 09/11/2005 1:46:05 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: zipper
I know, I've seen that before. Peta is disgusting.

BagCamAddict In regards to shelters, Most, if not all shelters have to euthanize, it's just a fact of how shelters work. If your (breeder?) claims they don't, They do, or send them out.

SevenDaysInMay Can't argue with that. People should not be allowed to own pets if they aren't prepared to do everything for them. When they are left to become everyone elses problem then they are dispatched. In this case bullets are cheaper and humane. Fact of life. Another fact is most of these dogs would end up in a shelter and be dispatched anyways. Few will be saved and reunited with their owners, and these organizations will laugh all the way to the bank.

128 posted on 09/11/2005 1:46:06 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Salamander

Whoa... that was not an attack my friend.

YOU are the one who said you wanted to use bad language. I based my statement on that.

Relax...


129 posted on 09/11/2005 1:46:06 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: The Red Zone

Press "Ignore" now.


130 posted on 09/11/2005 1:47:17 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: Trust but Verify

LOL!


131 posted on 09/11/2005 1:47:51 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: The Red Zone

That is soooooooo good!!!!!!


132 posted on 09/11/2005 1:50:30 AM PDT by SFConservative
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To: SevenDaysInMay

I agree with you.


133 posted on 09/11/2005 1:50:32 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: KingKongCobra

OK, thanks. I was starting to think I had signed up at the wrong site! LOL

Oh well, the least they could do is admit they are promoting a leftist website.

But I think on my first foray into FR I ran across some characters I will just have to avoid if I want to stay around.


134 posted on 09/11/2005 1:51:25 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Thank you again. This time with whipped cream and a cherry on top! :-)


135 posted on 09/11/2005 1:51:43 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: BagCamAddict

LOL


136 posted on 09/11/2005 1:53:19 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: Salamander

What's up with "more cowbell" anyway?


137 posted on 09/11/2005 1:54:17 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Nathan Zachary
Apparently it's not just an isolated problem with PETA. Read this passage from a recent NRO article:

PETA is even willing to see animals killed before they are made proper and humane use of by humans. A classic example of this approach came to light 2003 federal litigation. PETA and other animal-liberationist organizations sued to prevent elephants from being imported from Africa and placed in zoos. The elephants in question were endangering the ecosystem of the world famous Kruger National Park. The court noted that granting the injunction would cause the elephants to be culled rather than save their lives. But the attorney for PETA and its liberationist co-plaintiffs told the court that the pachyderms “will be better off if…killed rather than imported and placed in zoos.”

In a similar vein, in 2002 PETA joined with other animal-rights groups to sponsor a constitutional amendment in Florida that prevented pregnant pigs from being placed in gestation crates, which prevents sows from moving during pregnancy. The groups spent well over $1 million on the project even though Florida was not exactly known as the “pig-farm state.” With no major pork industry in the state to finance the opposition, and after a one-sided campaign, Floridians voted to grant state constitutional rights to pregnant pigs.

When the smoke cleared, it turned out that only two pig farmers in the entire state utilized gestation crates. Since the measure made their businesses untenable financially, the farmers sent their pigs to immediate slaughter — to the general applause of animal liberationists, presumably including PETA. As a representative of the Animal Rights Foundation of Florida put it, “In the big picture, we see that as a good thing. It’s going to lessen their suffering and hasten the end of their miserable lives.”

Back to the North Carolina debacle and PETA’s handling of unwanted dogs and cats: PETA claims that it tries to find good homes for the stray cats and dogs it obtains. But one wonders how hard PETA tries. According to official records dug out by the Center for Consumer Freedom — the food-industry-financed organization that may be PETA’s foremost political opponent — in 2003, of the 2,224 dogs and cats PETA received for placement, only 312 (14 percent) ended up in homes. All but one of the remaining animals were killed. This has been a consistent pattern for years. The Center noted that between 1998 and 2003, PETA took in 13,021 animals. Of these, it killed 10,195, with 2,540 adopted and 261 transferred.

http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/smithw/smith200507130830.asp

138 posted on 09/11/2005 1:55:01 AM PDT by zipper (Freedom Isn't Free)
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To: papertyger
If you're really farm-raised, you know the mindset.

I know the mindset well. And I fail to see it reflected in the comments by the shoot'em all crowd on this thread. In my experience, people who talk tough seldom are...and we have some real tough typist out tonight.
139 posted on 09/11/2005 1:55:02 AM PDT by goldfinch
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To: papertyger

Same here.
Packed, stacked and out the door in under 4.

It still boggles my mind that an awful lot of them just chose to sit there and "wait it out".

Surely they have TVs in NO.

The satellite images of Katrina freaked me out and I'm so far away from "hurricane country" that it's not even funny.

I had my go-gear ready just in case a peripheral deluge brought nasty flash flooding down from the mountains.


Turns out we didn't get more than a sprinkle this time.


140 posted on 09/11/2005 1:55:05 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: papertyger; Salamander

.......you just HAD to ask, didn't you?


141 posted on 09/11/2005 1:56:00 AM PDT by shibumi (Not a Speck of Cereal!)
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To: Salamander

Some did take their pets and had their pets taken from them to be dropped by the roadside. What of those people?


Separate issue. In those cases, NO should locate those animals and make sure they are reunited. At NO's expense.

Those others, do the dog a favor,shoot it, and send the owner to court for cruelty to animals.
I saw how some were chained up on 3 feet of chain. Their owners should have at least set them loose.


142 posted on 09/11/2005 1:56:37 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: BagCamAddict

OK, I take back my assertation that you are a leftist. I was wrong (or else you are a darn good actor!)

But I still think it is a mistake to base your opinions of feelings like you are doing on this issue. it is dangerous and misguided.

Also, I take issue with you promoting the radical left wing website. But seemingly that is OK here on FR. So I will back off on that one.


143 posted on 09/11/2005 1:58:29 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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To: BagCamAddict; All
After trying several variations, I guess Admin Mod doesn't work as a post anymore.

I'm still curious as to why my posts were somehow more offensive than posts 2 through 4, and were consequently deleted.

Those early posts said essentially the same thing as I said, I just expanded on the theme and my personal beliefs.

Dear Admin Mod: Please FReepmail me so I can better understand the board guidelines and comply.

I spent considerable thought and effort on those comments and would appreciate a considerate reply.

Stand up and be heard. It's the American way. Many of the early Patriots lost their lives, liberty, and family that way.

144 posted on 09/11/2005 1:59:46 AM PDT by benjaminjjones
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To: papertyger

Based on a line from a skit on SNL where they lampooned Blue Oyster Cult.
[Christopher Walken at his deranged best]...:)

Watch it here if you have a fast connection;

http://mercury.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/cowbell.wmv

Google "more cowbell".

You'll be amazed....LOL!


145 posted on 09/11/2005 2:00:03 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: shibumi

Stop stalking me.


146 posted on 09/11/2005 2:00:48 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: Salamander

LOL... Like I said, I'm exhausted, so I'm a little slower than you are. But I gave him the "I'm done" post at 121. :-)

And BTW, yes, noahswish.org seems to be the best way to go for donations.


147 posted on 09/11/2005 2:02:09 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Prayers for the victims of Katrina)
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To: goldfinch

What "tough talk?" I only saw one of those, and he's piped down. I haven't noted anyone here that isn't an animal lover, but that doesn't mean they don't see the cost/benefit ratio on this idea as foolhardy.


148 posted on 09/11/2005 2:02:34 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Nathan Zachary

"I saw how some were chained up on 3 feet of chain"

Unacceptable.
Totally.

Does LA have a felony animal cruelty law?

Hurricanes or no hurricanes, that is purely an evil thing to do to a dog.


149 posted on 09/11/2005 2:03:10 AM PDT by Salamander (There's nothing that "MORE COWBELL!" can't fix.......)
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To: goldfinch

The mindset in question is based on cold reality and facts. Not feeling.

The opposition you see on this thread is in reaction to a touchy feely response to the problem at hand.

Cold reality sometimes dictates that you put your feelings aside to do the best thing for something that you have responsibility for. Like shooting a dog.

My feelings would never let me shoot a dog. But cold reality has at times demanded that I do it in the best interests of the dog.

But the main thing in play on this thread is 2 opposing philosophies. One says a pet is equal to a human. The other say no way!


150 posted on 09/11/2005 2:03:33 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy
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