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Ray Nagin: Flooded School Buses Not My Fault
newsmax.com ^ | Sunday, Sept. 11, 2005 12:39 a.m. EDT

Posted on 09/11/2005 2:54:36 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch

Sunday, Sept. 11, 2005 12:39 a.m. EDT Ray Nagin: Flooded School Buses Not My Fault

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said Friday that it wasn't his fault city school buses weren't mobilized to facilitate the Hurricane Katrina evacuation he ordered.

Appearing on NBC's "Dateline," Nagin was asked by host Stone Phillips: "What was mobilized? I mean were national guard troops in position. Were helicopters standing by? Were buses ready to take people away?"

"No. None of that," the Big Easy mayor replied. "Why is that?" an incredulous Phillips asked.

Nagin replied: "I dont know. That is question for somebody else."

The Louisiana Democrat didn't explain just who the "somebody else" was, saying only:

"All I can do is [say] that I was dealing with it as a mayor -- how do I prepare my city for an incredibly powerful storm? So immediately we tried to get as many people out as possible."

The "Dateline" exchange was only the second time Mayor Nagin had been asked about the failure to use his city's school buses, hundreds of which sat 1.2 miles from the Superdome.

Two days after the levees broke, Nagin told a New Orleans radio station that he wanted Greyhound Bus Lines to send their entire fleet rather than launch an evacuation in public school buses.

"One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here," Nagin said.

"I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bitchsetmeup; blamegame; buses; ijustcutribbonsetc; ijustleadtheparades; incompetence; infullcyamode; itsnotmyfault; katrina; katrinafailures; nagin; thekingofnothing; toolittletoolate
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To: skr
The mayor or governor could easily have called for volunteer bus drivers in radio and TV announcements. The buses need only have been driven seventy-nine miles to waiting shelters in Baton Rouge. They could have been shuttled back and forth 24 hours a day and easily have taken tens of thousands to safety.

What was missing was common sense and presence of mind of leadership in a time of crisis. The mayor and governor were demonstrably too emotional to lead an evacuation. We saw video of a crying governor and a cussing mayor, both wringing their hands and demanding somebody (else) do something.

Time and time again throughout history, those who remained calm in a crisis are the ones who have saved lives and provided leadership.

51 posted on 09/11/2005 4:47:52 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: InvisibleChurch

I'm waiting for Nagin to say:

"Well, we couldn't use the buses to evacuate people because they weren't schoolchildren."


52 posted on 09/11/2005 5:27:41 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: Maeve
He isn't/won't. The MSM is still sniffing around looking for a way to tie this all to Bush. When it finally realize that it can't, it will turn on Nagin and Blanco and rip them to pieces.
53 posted on 09/11/2005 5:31:28 AM PDT by skimbell (ATF should be a convenience store, not a government agency.)
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To: MVV
Ray just bought himself a home in Dallas, TX.
Signed his kids up for school and settled in. Thats a long way from NO.
54 posted on 09/11/2005 5:38:21 AM PDT by mickie
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To: shuckmaster
Nagin replied: "I dont know. That is question for somebody else."

You no good SOF!

55 posted on 09/11/2005 5:40:17 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: shuckmaster



"Bitch set me up!" oh wait that was Marion Barry.


56 posted on 09/11/2005 5:40:55 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (Minority: Anyone who isn't a white male.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
"One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here," Nagin said.

"I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

Incompetence, thy name is Nagin.

The school buses are good enough for their kids to ride to school in, but apparently not good enough to save your life in.

57 posted on 09/11/2005 5:46:03 AM PDT by Double Tap
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To: Maeve
Great Googly Moogly! I can't believe this man is getting away with this.

Have you forgotten that this happened in Louisianna, home to the drive through daiquiri shops, Jimmy Swaggart and Huey Long?

As long as Blanco and Nagin have the MSM focusing their spotlight on GWB they will skate scot free.

58 posted on 09/11/2005 5:46:16 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: paudio

Yes...we can add "bus driver" to Bush's job qualifications along with "running employment office on White House lawn" and "King of oil barrel pricing for American consumers".

Apparently, Nagin never heard of delegating. I'm still wondering where the thousands of DNC bus drivers hiding.

LOL


59 posted on 09/11/2005 5:47:48 AM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: martin_fierro

LOL!


60 posted on 09/11/2005 5:49:11 AM PDT by pt17
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To: Maeve

"mayor" nagin your no jeb bush!!!!


61 posted on 09/11/2005 5:50:29 AM PDT by fatteddy
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To: InvisibleChurch
"One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here," Nagin said. "I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

It is beyond me how the MSM and others can point fingers at Bush and FEMA while ignoring the failures of this moronic mayor and the goofy governor????

62 posted on 09/11/2005 5:51:21 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: NeonKnight

cnn.....clinton news network.......abc......all about clintons......cbs......clinton broadcast network......nbc.....nothing but clintons.......


63 posted on 09/11/2005 5:53:00 AM PDT by fatteddy
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To: skr

How would HE have the authority to ORDER a PRIVATE company to bring in their busses to evacuate his city rather than order the resources for which HE IS in charge to be used?
What an idiot!


64 posted on 09/11/2005 5:54:56 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: mewzilla
Nagin could've asked Blanco to provide Guardsmen to drive the buses.

Valid point. And there are plenty of CDL drivers who could have filled the breach. But that would have needed to begin on Friday at the latest. And the buses would have needed a destination where the evacuees would at least have a roof over their head and indoor plumbing.

Houston stepped up in a mighty way, and the Astrodome was ready in less than 24 hours. I have high praise and very few criticisms for the government agencies and non-profits that pulled that off. Could they have done it before the storm, without the pictures of horrors in NOLA to galvanize the response and grease the political wheels? Maybe not. But I'm confident they could next time.

My bottom line, as I've posted in other threads, is that people need standing orders. Cops, firefighters, heavy equipment operators, truck drivers, neighborhood watch captains, even Scouts need to know in advance where to go and what to do if communications go down. Everyone in the city needs to know where the nearest hubs for evacuation and aid distribution will be. This needs to be done months in advance, not days or hours.

In disaster-prone areas, every water and sewer bill, property tax bill, welfare check -- any point of contact with the government -- should have a little slip of paper with a list of emergency hubs. Encourage people to tape it up beside the front door so they can check it on the way out. And local governments should have a stash of clean water, at least, at each of those locations.

It's not inconceivable. Half a century ago, most folks knew where their neighborhood Civil Defense fallout shelter was, and they had basic supplies. Most of those shelters were dismantled or allowed to deteriorate after the end of the Cold War.

There were recognizeable signs on the exterior walls -- I have one, tossed out with the trash when one such shelter was decomissioned. It's past time for a concerted effort to set up a similar system in case of natural disaster or terror attack.

I'm sure there's plenty of blame to go around, between the city, county, state and federal governments, and extrajurisdictional bodies like the levee boards in and around New Orleans. There will be plenty of time to fix blame, and I suspect the voters will reach their own judgments even before any official investigation gets the chance.

The more urgent need is to learn the lessons, to make sure that if a big storm is headed for Wilmington, or Savannah, or Jacksonville, those buses won't be sitting in flood waters and the cops won't be helpless to stop, or worse, participating in, looting. I expect every city and county government on the coast to be burning the midnight oil right about now to make sure their cities don't become another New Orleans.

65 posted on 09/11/2005 5:56:44 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: shuckmaster
"Is "somebody else" mayor of New Orleans?"

Maybe New Orleans has a shadow government. < /sarcasm >

66 posted on 09/11/2005 5:56:57 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: martin_fierro

67 posted on 09/11/2005 6:00:32 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: backhoe

Great graphic!


68 posted on 09/11/2005 6:01:08 AM PDT by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: jocon307

She had to provide a place to put all the evacuees. She failed to do so. So yes, this ultimately is the fault of Blanko for not using all state and federal resources available. I add federal to the mix since President Bush declared the state a disaster area before the storm made landfall. I hope they nail her fat incompetent a$$ to the wall in this.


69 posted on 09/11/2005 6:01:21 AM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dems can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: kingu
One of my favorite lines, from the same interview, was when he was asked what he would do differently, he said he would scream louder. Yeah, that would've made a difference. < /sarcasm >
70 posted on 09/11/2005 6:02:32 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: shuckmaster
Conduct of an actual evacuation will be the responsibility of the Mayor of New Orleans in coordination with the Director of the Office of Emergency Preparedness, and the OEP Shelter Coordinator.

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

Joseph H. Matthews is a deputy fire chief and is the Director of Orleans parish Office of Emergency Preparedness.

71 posted on 09/11/2005 6:05:14 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001
Does anyone know Nagin's political affiliation...?

He plays both sides, ala Bloomberg of NYC. Nagin used to be in the GOP. Switched to DEM. Nagin endorsed Jindal in the last governor's race. Jindal lost to Blanco.

72 posted on 09/11/2005 6:07:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: skimbell
The MSM is still sniffing around looking for a way to tie this all to Bush. When it finally realize that it can't, it will turn on Nagin and Blanco and rip them to pieces.

More likely they will switch to a different story than turn on their own.

73 posted on 09/11/2005 6:08:40 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Rocky
Great graphic!

The honor of that goes to one of our own:

You Promised You'd Never Forget. You Promised.

74 posted on 09/11/2005 6:09:33 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: CajunConservative

You are putting the cart before the horse if you add the Feds to the list of screw-ups because the President issued a pre-Katrina disaster declaration. That was done to ALLOW the state officials to move folks, food & water into emergency shelters using federal funds, etc. Instead, you got two idiots refusing to do their assigned duties for what reason we will never know. Sad, isn't it? The President tried to help them beforehand, and they still screwed the pooch!


75 posted on 09/11/2005 6:11:09 AM PDT by geezerwheezer (get up boys, we're burnin' daylight!!!)
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To: The Red Zone

Nagin couldn't pass urinalysis.


76 posted on 09/11/2005 6:17:03 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Troubled by NOLA looting ? You ain't seen nothing yet.)
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To: Cboldt

Mobile Alabama used it's buses. Still working on Mississppi.

School buses and the city's transit system were made available Sunday afternoon to assist anyone needing help escaping the flood threat. Shelters opened Sunday at six schools in Mobile County. Baldwin County opened shelters at five schools. Around the state, 26 shelters were being opened for evacuees.

http://www.gulflive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-5/112528164020840.xml&storylist=miss_news


77 posted on 09/11/2005 6:17:26 AM PDT by tryingtomakesenseofthis
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To: HAL9000
But Karl Rove would not surrender the keys to the buses.
78 posted on 09/11/2005 6:20:08 AM PDT by verity (Don't let your children grow up to be mainstream media maggots.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Budget problems forced closure of some schools and elimination of some classes at schools that remained open. It was unclear until a few weeks ago which schools would shut down.
...
Last spring, when the district appeared close to missing its payroll, the federal government said $70 million of its money couldn't be accounted for.
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When a new budget was adopted in July, 800 jobs had to be eliminated. Five schools were to be closed, numerous others were involved in consolidations or relocations and some lost classes because enrollment has declined. And just two weeks ago, the budget adopted in July was found to be out of balance -- by perhaps as much as $48 million -- because revenue was overestimated and salaries and benefits were undercounted.
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School board president Torin Sanders, who is black, denounced the plan as a means of "disenfranchising" those who elected him and other board members. But the board voted 4-3, with the three black members dissenting, to hire the firm.
On Saturday night after issuing a voluntary evacuation order Nagin consulted with his legal staff to determine the city's liability for closing hotels and other businesses before issuing the mandatory evacuation order on Sunday morning: Nagin said late Saturday that he's having his legal staff look into whether he can order a mandatory evacuation of the city, a step he's been hesitant to do because of potential liability on the part of the city for closing hotels and other businesses. "Come the first break of light in the morning, you may have the first mandatory evacuation of New Orleans," Nagin told WWL-TV.

http://www.nola.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1125213007249320.xml?nola

Link below to more on the Orleans Parish school board and Mayor Ray Nagin's legal dickering over buses and liability.
http://bilges.blogspot.com/2005/09/painfully-right-on-buses.html


79 posted on 09/11/2005 6:20:30 AM PDT by anglian
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To: InvisibleChurch
Ray...even if those buses actually were "somebody else's" babies (i.e., not somebody under your chain of command), you're basically telling us that you, and the guys who do report to you, had no firm plan to coordinate with that "somebody else" in the event of a major hurricane.

That's unconscionable. You guys, most of you, grew up down there. You guys knew big hurricanes were inevitable down there, even if you didn't know long-term exactly when one was coming. And you and the city are capable of coordinating with lots of "somebody elses", for purposes less dire than major disasters (...can you say "Carnival time"? I knew you could...). Why would it be that hard to set up plans with "somebody else" when both you and "somebody else" knew that people might actually die if you didn't? Were you and "somebody else" stone stupid, or did you and "somebody else" just not care?

Unnngh...

80 posted on 09/11/2005 6:35:45 AM PDT by RichInOC ("The coffee is strong at Cafe du Monde, the doughnuts are too hot to touch..." Save the Big Greasy!)
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To: The Red Zone

Nagin is a POS that will never be reelected, and will likely be sued, prosecuted, or both. He failed; the governor failed.


81 posted on 09/11/2005 6:36:39 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: shuckmaster

Maybe Governor "that would be me" Blanco?


82 posted on 09/11/2005 6:37:51 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: skr; InvisibleChurch
I understand that the school buses don't have lavatories (neither do cars, Mr. Nagin), which is one of the reasons he gave for not using them, but what a stupid waste of gasoline to bring in Greyhounds when buses are already in the vicinity. If you don't know whose fault it is that the National Guard wasn't available as drivers by now, Mr. Mayor, you certainly don't need to be in charge of a city. If an 18 year-old who didn't know how to drive a bus managed to anyway, how is it there weren't any other evacuees who were capable?

I think they solved that problem by making several fuel/restroom stops. In fact, due to the shorter range of that shool bus compared to a Greyhound, they had to make three fuel stops along the way to the Houston Astrodome.

Nagin should not be let off the hook about the buses being under water. The New Orleans evacuation plan specifically called for their use, and so did the Louisiana state evacuation plan.

Blanco is the one most at fault. She would not order a mandatory evacuation till it was too late to do one. It's too bad the mayor of NO didn't have the authority to begin a recommended or optional evacuation 48 hours before land fall. If people who wanted to leave had been given that option, then the late mandatory evactuation order would not have been as big a problem.

83 posted on 09/11/2005 6:41:09 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: HAL9000

The schools are governed by state law. The blame falls on Ms Blanco, again. I recently called about a problem with overcrowding in the neighborhood schools to the Fire dept. I was told unfortunately, the city has NO jurisdiction over school facilities. It is under the STATE.


84 posted on 09/11/2005 6:41:33 AM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: skr
I understand that the school buses don't have lavatories (neither do cars, Mr. Nagin),

Neither did the Superdome or the convention center.

85 posted on 09/11/2005 6:43:21 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Have your children read this book, yet?Image hosted by Photobucket.com
86 posted on 09/11/2005 6:46:05 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: jsmnz
I've wondered this myself.... Are there any FReeper attorneys that might comment on the potential succcess of a class action wrongful death suit? What are the laws related to such? Are there any precedents of elected officials being held perosnally liable for negligence?

BTTT

87 posted on 09/11/2005 6:52:37 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: InvisibleChurch
Ray Nagin: Flooded School Buses Not My Fault

The buck does not stop here!

88 posted on 09/11/2005 6:55:09 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: BIRDS

Is there a "Darwin Award" for Mayors?


89 posted on 09/11/2005 7:00:59 AM PDT by stickywillie
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To: Muzzle_em

Did the greyhound company get those new beaming devices?
How long does that mayor think it would take to get those Busses from all over the country to get there before the hurricane hit?
Incompetence at local and state level. Prosecute them!!!!!!!!


90 posted on 09/11/2005 7:02:48 AM PDT by americanbychoice2
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To: ReignOfError

Just think what the dynamics would be if Katrina hadn't turned at the last moment, and the eye had gone through the Big Easy with all those people still huddled in their homes. The citizens of New Orleans should consider themselves blessed. They'd still be hangin' in trees all the way to Arkansas if Katrina hadn't turned.


91 posted on 09/11/2005 7:05:13 AM PDT by stickywillie
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To: americanbychoice2; Muzzle_em
Did the greyhound company get those new beaming devices? How long does that mayor think it would take to get those Busses from all over the country to get there before the hurricane hit?

And the mayor was supposed to have been a hotshot cable executive with an MBA.

92 posted on 09/11/2005 7:09:18 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Happy2BMe

"I dont know. That is question for somebody else."
Standard democrat response.


93 posted on 09/11/2005 7:26:48 AM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: stickywillie
Is there a "Darwin Award" for Mayors?

He's not dead...yet.

94 posted on 09/11/2005 7:32:54 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001
Does anyone know Nagin's political affiliation...???

Actually, he's with NPR, the National Party of Racists.

95 posted on 09/11/2005 7:34:55 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: infidel29
Most of the coverage I've seen shows people slogging through the flood waters carrying everything from bread to big screen TVs, you mean to tell me that some of them couldn't walk a couple miles out of town?

Many people tried that and were blocked by the cops.

96 posted on 09/11/2005 7:36:19 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: americanbychoice2

Yes, I hear that the last Greyhound buses from Alaska will be arriving in NO late tomorrow. The Hawaii buses had a bit of a problem with the ferried, but they should arrive by noon tomorrow.


97 posted on 09/11/2005 7:37:30 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: shuckmaster
Yep...it was Nagin's evil-twin!!!

Blame that other sucker...what was his name...

Oh yes, BUSH!

98 posted on 09/11/2005 7:38:18 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: Right Wing Assault

Agh. Ferried = ferries


99 posted on 09/11/2005 7:38:23 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: InvisibleChurch

How about the city busses too? I'm sure New Orleans has a public transit system for all the poor folk.


100 posted on 09/11/2005 7:39:36 AM PDT by dennisw (***)
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