Posted on 09/11/2005 3:37:24 AM PDT by Happy2BMe
Easy...If he can't speak English, he's not a citizen, or shouldn't be...And even then, the evacuee needs to give the address of his previous residence in NO...It can be verified if that address exists...If he don't know it, send him to Mexico...Plus, his name ought to jive with immigration officials if he is here legally...If not, ship 'em...
The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Formerly Customs and the INS, is now under homeland security.
Do you feel ICE is doing it's job in protecting American borders from illegal aliens?
Not well. But in the instant case, when the question is whether we should ease the paperwork requirements on citizens at the risk of more illegals slipping through, I'd err in that direction.
They are not going without food, water or medical care, but jobs? We are supposed to give a job to everone who can't prove they are an American citizen? For every illegal on assistance (or shall I say gravy train), there is an American citizen getting 1/2 of the assistance they are due.
As for your second snyde comment, giving blind assistance to those who blatenly break our laws and suck off the rest of us is not OK. We can give them assistance, food, water and medical care on their way back to the border.
"Easy...If he can't speak English, he's not a citizen, or shouldn't be..."
Really? I wasn't aware that command of the english language was proof of citizenship or of legal residency. I'd really like to see some legal basis for this.
"And even then, the evacuee needs to give the address of his previous residence in NO...It can be verified if that address exists...If he don't know it, send him to Mexico...Plus, his name ought to jive with immigration officials if he is here legally...If not, ship 'em..."
Meanwhile, while the bureaucracy is trying to decide whether some one is within this country legally, that person is to be denied all forms of assistance? No food, no water, no job? Do you really mean that? Or are you going to decide who gets assistance on the basis of who looks and sounds American?
Oh my. I don't usually wear a tinfoil hat, but this is suspicious sounding.
First the feds send the victims of Katrina all over the U. S. and now they say, no documents required. What a dream come true for already-here-illegals. Just when the concept of holding employers responsible for hiring illegals was beginning to gain some support, the feds make this clever move.
Suspicious at the least.
"They are not going without food, water or medical care, but jobs? We are supposed to give a job to everone who can't prove they are an American citizen? For every illegal on assistance (or shall I say gravy train), there is an American citizen getting 1/2 of the assistance they are due."
In post #20, I asked: "Once again, how do you propose dealing with a person who wants to work and who doesn't have proof of citizen ship? Do you deny them work? Do you deny them any form of assistance?"
In post #25, you responded; "Turn them over to the INS if they can't prove their citizenship, just like the law states. That's right bucko, there are laws dealing with people who can't prove they are citizens. If you don't have legal ID, there are laws you have to deal with. Life can be a bitch, but if you don't have ID, you brought it on yourself."
So, 'bucko' you were quite clear that you would deny any one, including an American citizen, who lacked proper ID any form of assistance.
"As for your second snyde comment, giving blind assistance to those who blatenly break our laws and suck off the rest of us is not OK. We can give them assistance, food, water and medical care on their way back to the border."
I guess you still don't quite understand that in your zeal to arrest and deport illegal aliens, you would hurt American citizens. Can't you give it a break long enough to ensure that those affected by this disaster are adequately cared for?
BTW, I'm not a big advocate of illegal immigration. I fully support sweeps for illegals, walls on the border, prosecution of those who contract with illegals, etc. Now is not the time and imposing draconion rules that would adversely affect US citizens is not the way.
"Why is the Department of Homeland Security getting involved in the hiring of illegal aliens by employers working to rebuild after Hurrican Katrina?"
I told my wife the other day, when I saw that Bush had signed an EO bypassing part of the labor law and allowing employers to hire at below the going wage, that this was the prelude to hiring thousands of illegals to re-build NO. Our government has no shame. They are in the total control of the corporations.
"Last week, I predicted New Orleans would be rebuilt by illegals and Mexicans will probably be the predominate population of the rebuilt New Orleans."
You're right. I was thinking how history repeats itself and now NO will once again be under Spainish control. We're being prepared for the Greater North-American Co-Prosperity Sphere which has been in the making for fifty years.
Show me some proof that people are being denied assistance because of lack of ID's. Show me some proof that people right now are starving, going without water, or medical care.
The thing that really gripes me is that this will get out of hand and become a giant scam on us taxpayers. To suspend the laws of our country, to give jobs to those who cannot prove their citizenship, is just plain wrong.
I realize that.
I realize that.
A Vanderbilt political science professor predicts that low-end job market chaos is inevitable throughout the SouthEast between the displaced evacuees (70% black) and the illegal aliens. Any indication from the Federal government that it plans to do even less enforcement is literally insult upon injury for these displaced citizens.
Sure, a large portion of New Orleans residents were getting by without working while jobbing the system, but the rules have changed as they take up residence in communities that won't look the other way. They're going to need those jobs. The illegals need to go. Now.
I thought it was far-out, extremely silly comedy but Monty Python Flying Circus was not about comedy. It was about the future and it's here.
"The thing that really gripes me is that this will get out of hand and become a giant scam on us taxpayers. To suspend the laws of our country, to give jobs to those who cannot prove their citizenship, is just plain wrong."
It would be wrong if it were more than a temporary thing. I would allow assistance, even allow a job, pending a more thourough investigation. Let them go to work, with whatever documentation they may have. But don't let it stop there, get their SSN, start a review, and if it turns out they are illegals, then deport them. All I read in this report was simply that. They can start work without full documentation. I did not see that this was a permanment thing.
Good God man! There must be controls established else every opportunist will take advantage of all these freebies. Is your answer to just give it to whom ever asks for it?
"Good God man! There must be controls established else every opportunist will take advantage of all these freebies. Is your answer to just give it to whom ever asks for it?"
Of course not, but there should be some allowances early in the process. I would rather err on the side of providing assistance to those who do not need it than not providing assistance to those who do. At least for a week or so.
Sec Chertoff is very much in favor of illegal aliens, in the same way as is W.
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