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The Old Catholic Church
St. Fechins ^ | 2005 | St. Fechins

Posted on 09/11/2005 6:01:34 AM PDT by bornacatholic

The Old Catholic Church An Old Catholic Community

Do they call you a cafeteria Catholic? Have you drifted away from the Church over dogma, politics or disagreement over doctrine? Do you disagree with the doctrines on the place of women in the church? Would a truly Apostolic, sacramental and liturgical church that welcomes all, and honors scripture, tradition and the gifts of human reason fulfill your spiritual needs?

The Old Catholic Church was founded by the Utrecht Union in 1871. The Old Catholic Bishops were locked out of the first Vatican Counsel when they made it clear that they would not support the doctrine on Papal infallibility, The Old Catholic Church believes that correct doctrine is arrived at by the work of the Holy Spirit in the entire Church, not in the guise of one man. Thus we hold that only valid counsels, or synods, of the entire Apostolic Church, such as the seven historical counsels, may assert dogma binding on all Catholics. Beyond that the studied, prayerful wisdom of each believer is to be our guide.

Rejecting such man made dogma we joyfully include women in our leadership, welcome all Christians to our sacraments and allow for great freedom of thought and expression.

We are a spiritual church, our mission is to aid our congregations to attain a deeper union with God, and to explore the great joy and happiness that can be attained in a spiritual, prayerful life. Our only litmus test is the Apostles and Nicene creeds. Regardless of your gender, politics or opinions on the place of science and religion in our lives, you will be welcome at our table and in our circle of love. Our Church welcomes all Christians who seek a spiritual, sacramental and religious community that respects reason as we study God's Grace. We seek to provide a spiritual home to Old Catholics, lapsed or separated Roman Catholics and Christians who want the Eucharist to be a vibrant part of their worship. Our worship is grounded in tradition and faith, the seven sacraments. Our Cannon is the Holy Bible, our understanding of that cannon is based on reason and science.

We embrace the Universe that God made just as it is, with the evolution of life and orderly nature. The Bible is rendered no less sacred, central and perfect because it uses allegory and metaphor to teach. We do not ask our adherents to believe that the world was made in seven days, but rather that the world was made by a loving and perfect God.

Our special mission is to provide a community for Roman Catholics, separated from the church by divorce, birth control, sexual orientation or rejection of dogma. No one should be cut off from God's community over dogma. We offer a joyful, welcoming, spiritual Old Catholic Church with sacramental liturgy and Apostolic Succession - without the burden of adherence to the Bishop of Rome's Curia. Has it been to long since you spoke with God? Come home to St. Fechin's.

Our community does not accept the teaching of papal infallibility and, therefore, are independent of the Pope's jurisdiction. We honor the Seven Ecumenical Councils, and both the Celtic and Roman Rite. We accord the Bishop of Rome respect, but nothing more. We are not subject to, or in communion with, the Roman Catholic Church.

Our Church follows the doctrine of the Ecumenical Apostolic Church Diocese.

1. Priests and bishops are permitted to marry. We believe that Priestly celibacy is a matter of church discipline, and fit for the cloistered life, but not a pastoral life within the community. 2. Women are encouraged to be more fully involved in the ministry of the Church. As Saint Paul writes, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." We joyously Ordain women to all of the holy orders 3. Divorced people who remarry are able to be reconciled to the church through the grace of God and, therefore, are not excluded from the sacraments. Therefore, a divorced person may remarry with the blessing of the Church. 4. Artificial contraception is an issue of conscience between husband, wife and God. No Catholic should be separated from the Sacraments because of their choices of when, and how to form a family. 5. Each Catholic is an equal part of the Church. Therefore, lay people are encouraged to play a prominent role in the Church. 6. No Christian is excluded from the sacramental ministry. All baptized Christians are invited to participate in the worship and sacraments of the Church.

We are Catholic and rational - we Worship God because it is Right and Proper that we do so. We reject any Cannon, Law or authority that in any way contradicts the New Covenant, that we love one another as we love ourselves. "By this shall you know them. "

We reject the authority of Priests over the lives of believers, a Priest is ordained to do nothing more, or less, than perform the Sacraments. We do not Judge, nor claims any right to do so.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholicinnameonly; cino; heretical; troll; zotbait
Jagger, "You can't always get what you want."

Old Catholic Church, "Yes you can."

1 posted on 09/11/2005 6:01:34 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

Nothing Catholic about it.


2 posted on 09/11/2005 6:03:52 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: battlegearboat

Sounds more like Unitarian to me.


3 posted on 09/11/2005 6:05:32 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: battlegearboat

Sounds very gay to me.


4 posted on 09/11/2005 6:06:18 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: bornacatholic

Dear bornacatholic,

"Jagger, 'You can't always get what you want.'

"Old Catholic Church, 'Yes you can.'"

Yes, but are they getting what they need?


sitetest


5 posted on 09/11/2005 6:15:42 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: bornacatholic

"You will know them by their fruits"
has more than one meaning in this case...


6 posted on 09/11/2005 6:29:59 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (If we're not the mainstream, how come we nearly control all three branches of Government?)
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To: sitetest
Yes, but are they getting what they need?

* LOL

Methinks Fechin's has rather too much sympathy for the devil

7 posted on 09/11/2005 6:42:22 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
The Old Catholic Bishops were locked out of the first Vatican Counsel when they made it clear that they would not support the doctrine on Papal infallibility?

If you wish to "protest" against the Church fine. The word for that is protestant. You insult your own intelligence by continuing to have the word Catholic in your name. There is nothing Catholic about you.

8 posted on 09/11/2005 6:49:21 AM PDT by badpacifist (<tagline expired>)
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To: battlegearboat

Caa youself what you want, but you are no more Catholic than "Catholics for Free Choice".


9 posted on 09/11/2005 6:51:10 AM PDT by CWW (Mark Sanford for President on 2008!)
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To: bornacatholic

WHY is this in "Breaking News" rather than "Religion"???


10 posted on 09/11/2005 6:52:32 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: bornacatholic

"Methinks Fechin's has rather too much sympathy for the devil"

LOL!

Perhaps they're under his thumb??


11 posted on 09/11/2005 6:59:40 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I know, it's a sin.


12 posted on 09/11/2005 7:03:08 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Wonder Warthog

Why are you asking me, Pork Chop?


13 posted on 09/11/2005 7:04:20 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Wonder Warthog
Belay my last...oops!

You didn't post to me after all.

My bad.

14 posted on 09/11/2005 7:05:58 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: battlegearboat
"Why are you asking me, Pork Chop?"

Well, I "thought" is was asking "bornacatholic", since that's who my post was addressed to.

15 posted on 09/11/2005 7:07:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

see #14


16 posted on 09/11/2005 7:10:06 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: badpacifist
You insult your own intelligence by continuing to have the word Catholic in your name.

*I am not sure what you mean. (I am so dumb I'd have to go to night school in hopes of being educated to the point where I'd be considered retarded).

There is nothing Catholic about you.

*Now you are sounding like my confessor

17 posted on 09/11/2005 7:11:44 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Wonder Warthog

see #8


18 posted on 09/11/2005 7:12:36 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
No Catholic should be separated from the Sacraments because of their choices of when, and how to form a family.

No absolutes.
Family: six women, ten men, some homosexuals, some bisexuals, some transsexuals, babies by whomever.
Choice.

This is the kind of press that appeals to young people or people who want to do exactly what they want, because it feels good, and they want to be VALIDATED for it.

RELATIVE MORALITY.....just what Pope Benedict has warned against for decades.

19 posted on 09/11/2005 7:14:59 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: starfish923

Amen, brother


20 posted on 09/11/2005 7:15:54 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

hmm do they have Rev. "DNC" Wallis as an advisor too?

Nothing old there other than the word "old".


21 posted on 09/11/2005 7:19:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: sitetest
Perhaps they're under his thumb??

*St Fechin's is the devil's web and it is advertising for lusty flies using the honey of the flesh

I said my, my, like the spider to the fly Jump right ahead in my web

22 posted on 09/11/2005 7:22:15 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

That was addressed to the Old Catholic Church not to you personally. Perhaps I should have made myself more clear. Many people, myself included post articles with which they disagree. When we comment sometimes we don't even realize our response could be perceived as a personal attack. I never want to attack the poster because I also love to stir up trouble with articles to fire people up.


23 posted on 09/11/2005 7:23:10 AM PDT by badpacifist (<tagline expired>)
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To: sitetest; bornacatholic
Our Cannon is the Holy Bible, our understanding of that cannon is based on reason and science.

This post made me go ballistic.

24 posted on 09/11/2005 7:23:41 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Chinese Fire Drill" Racist. . " NOLA Hurricane Drill" Accurate.)
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To: bornacatholic

CINO's - plain and simple.


25 posted on 09/11/2005 7:25:40 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: badpacifist
lol thanks, brother.

But I find it difficult to believe I might be considered provocative

26 posted on 09/11/2005 7:25:59 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Kenny Bunk; sitetest
This post made me go ballistic.

* You're welcome. I am glad I was instrumental in bring you closer to God

27 posted on 09/11/2005 7:27:35 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic

thank for the new tagline


28 posted on 09/11/2005 7:42:32 AM PDT by badpacifist (grumpy comments always directed at post not the person posting info)
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To: bornacatholic
It would be more credible if the author had spelled "canon" and "canons" correctly and had observed subject-verb agreement throughout the article. As it is, it reads as if it was written by a junior high school student spellchecker fanatic who failed to use a grammar checker.

It is sad for other reasons as well. The ORCC was at its schism a very conservative church that has drifted further and further into error. It is leading many astray.

Sad.

29 posted on 09/11/2005 8:02:35 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: battlegearboat

Agreed. And they do not "judge." They must do very little thinking for themselves.


30 posted on 09/11/2005 8:05:45 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: bornacatholic

Sounds like a get together in a large building for feel gooders. Nothing like the Catholic Church I know. No thanks.


31 posted on 09/11/2005 8:08:20 AM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for our country than anyone can ever imagine. He is solid as a rock)
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To: bornacatholic
The prime mission of the Catholic Church (as with all Christian churches) is to protect and spread the Faith and prepare their parishioners for "Eternal Salvation".
32 posted on 09/11/2005 8:59:13 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Kenny Bunk; bornacatholic

Dear Kenny Bunk,

"'Our Cannon is the Holy Bible, our understanding of that cannon is based on reason and science.'

"This post made me go ballistic."

LOL!!

I don't know. It might be time to take out the heavy artillery with this crew. Then again, never use an ICBM when a flyswatter will do.

;-)


sitetest


33 posted on 09/11/2005 9:37:27 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: TheGeezer

Amen, brother. As schism is proximate to heresy, the heresies were predicable. One can see this same process happening in the recent schism.


34 posted on 09/11/2005 9:48:30 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
Absolutely!

After all .. it is not what "you" want.. it is what God wants...

I pray for all who do not journey down Christ's path..

The Fritzy!
35 posted on 09/11/2005 9:59:08 AM PDT by Fritzy
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To: sitetest
Take care, sitest, Satan has your immortal soul in his sights and may be firing for effect.

I advise a Novena to St. Barbara. She is the Patroness of Artillerymen. That is my last remark on this explosive issue, as I am on a very short fuse when it comes to theological malapropism.

36 posted on 09/11/2005 10:01:53 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Chinese Fire Drill" Racist. . " NOLA Hurricane Drill" Accurate.)
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To: bornacatholic
They use scientific evidence to determine the canon of the Bible? I wonder what kind of scientific evidence is available to determine if 1st and 2nd Maccabees are inspired.

Several years ago there was a story in the local paper about an OCC priest starting a church here. The pastor of the Catholic Church was quoted welcoming him to town. The Old Catholic Church is still listed in the yellow pages but I have no idea how many people they have attracted.

37 posted on 09/11/2005 11:33:31 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Theology once was the Queen of Science. Maybe that's what they mean.


38 posted on 09/11/2005 11:41:14 AM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: Kenny Bunk

LOL.


39 posted on 09/11/2005 12:29:04 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: bornacatholic
Theology once was the Queen of Science. Maybe that's what they mean.

Maybe you are being too generous.

40 posted on 09/12/2005 6:25:35 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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