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Gulf Coast Isn't the Only Thing Left in Tatters; Bush's Status With Blacks Takes Hit
NY Times ^ | 9/12/05 | Elisabeth Bumiller

Posted on 09/12/2005 2:52:23 AM PDT by Crackingham

From the political perspective of the White House, Hurricane Katrina destroyed more than an enormous swath of the Gulf Coast. The storm also appears to have damaged the carefully laid plans of Karl Rove, President Bush's political adviser, to make inroads among black voters and expand the reach of the Republican Party for decades to come.

Many African-Americans across the country said they seethed as they watched the television pictures of the largely poor and black victims of Hurricane Katrina dying for food and water in the New Orleans Superdome and the convention center. A poll released last week by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center bore out that reaction as well as a deep racial divide: Two-thirds of African-Americans said the government's response to the crisis would have been faster if most of the victims had been white, while 77 percent of whites disagreed.

The anger has invigorated the president's critics. Kanye West, the rap star, raged off-script at a televised benefit for storm victims that "George Bush doesn't care about black people." Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said in Miami last week that Americans "have to come to terms with the ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a significant role in who survived and who did not."

At the White House, the public response has been to denounce the critics as unseemly and unfair. "I think all of those remarks were disgusting, to be perfectly frank," Laura Bush said in an interview with the American Urban Radio Network, when asked about the comments of Mr. West and Mr. Dean. "Of course President Bush cares about everyone in our country."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: africanamericans; blacks; blamegame; bushsfault; demsplantation; nyslimes; racecard; racehustlers; racehustling; racialpolitics
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1 posted on 09/12/2005 2:52:23 AM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

LOL. The fact that 1/3 of Blacks see through the MSM's attempt to make this racial is hopeful.

And that stupid rapper was booed by an entire stadium of football fans, throughout his performance.

The NYTs is trying to create a story and give it legs.


3 posted on 09/12/2005 2:55:22 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: GOPJ

The NYT is a self fulfilling prophesy.


4 posted on 09/12/2005 2:57:14 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Crackingham

The New York Times is having a field day using their pages to promote lies and propaganda and then sit back so they can report polling data to show that people have been affected by the selective and outright false reporting.


5 posted on 09/12/2005 2:58:45 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Crackingham
It's a NY Times article. Therefore, it is no surprise that it is both stupid and false. One-third of all blacks did NOT fall for the mantra that "It's all Bush's fault." Since Bush got only (what) 11% of the black vote in the last election, it's not at all clear that he has lost anything.

Furthermore, the Administration may have solidified its support among whites, as a reaction to the criminal conduct of blacks in New Orleans, the blazing ignorance and incompetence of Mayor Nagin, and the evident bias of the press in covering the story, including this article.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Another Ignorant Actor Spouts Off"

6 posted on 09/12/2005 3:06:15 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (The difference between a Louisiana Democrat and a crawfish is the crawfish tastes good.)
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To: Crackingham

So the NYT wishes.

Propaganda at its worst and oh so transparent.


7 posted on 09/12/2005 3:06:18 AM PDT by A message (Not in the mood for the MSM, Democrats, Communists and Socialists. Somebody take out the garbage.)
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To: Crackingham

If the N.A.A.Colored People think this is Bush's fault, who wants their votes anyway. Let the Dems buy their votes.


8 posted on 09/12/2005 3:08:39 AM PDT by the_rightside (Union Corruption : http://www.nlpc.org/artindx.asp)
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To: Crackingham

Midgets are affected too.


10 posted on 09/12/2005 3:09:15 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: Crackingham

I can't survive for more than twenty-four hours without government assistance. Being given nothing but water and MREs for three days is worse than what they had to eat on the plantations. FEMA should have given me a $20,000 debit card for all the crap I had to go through.


11 posted on 09/12/2005 3:10:06 AM PDT by rightwinggoth
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To: Crackingham
dying for food and water in the New Orleans Superdome and the convention center

I believe that the Red Cross has stated that it was the Louisiana Department of Homeland security which kept them from bringing aid to these folks!

12 posted on 09/12/2005 3:11:28 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Congressman Billybob

The problem is that blacks' status with the rest of the world has "taken a hit." If the dysfunctional black government and the black underclass of NO had been trying to do everything possible to confirm stereotypes and generate animosity, they could not have done a better job.

That's where Jesse and the gang should turn their attention. But there's no money in that, so they won't.


13 posted on 09/12/2005 3:11:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: Crackingham
Well the democrat party plantation system has kept the poor poorer and made many a middle class person poor also. Give them just enough to live on and make them think that they would die if they ever tried to make it in the world on their own merit.

And they don't see this and when they falter, be it through natural disaster, or whatever, they blame the ones who want them to be successful.

Sweet.
14 posted on 09/12/2005 3:12:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (a red stater trapped in the body of a blue state.)
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To: Crackingham
Well do blacks care about blacks?

Been here for hundreds of years - born, fed, and housed for free in many cases yet unwilling to get out of the way of the biggest storm in memory. Yet it's someone else's fault?

15 posted on 09/12/2005 3:12:59 AM PDT by winston2 (Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness! :)
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To: GOPJ
Don't 9/10 vote for the Dems lock-step anyway? There's no other group as loyal. Even 1/4th of 'gays' vote GOP.

There's nothing we can do about it until a sea change occurs in that community.

16 posted on 09/12/2005 3:13:16 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: Crackingham

A) It's the NY Slimes, so they can and will say anything they choose to make up to make Bush look bad, B) if blacks are stupid enough to fall for the 'blame Bush' campaign, then they get exactly what they deserve from the Democrats.


17 posted on 09/12/2005 3:13:36 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Fenris6

And coming from a liberal area, Boston.


18 posted on 09/12/2005 3:15:23 AM PDT by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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To: Crackingham
Not to worry, he's made up the loss of blacks with Mexicans and other illegals from El Salvador, et al.
19 posted on 09/12/2005 3:15:37 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (PRAY FOR THE HURRICANE VICTIMS AND RESCUE WORKERS!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I'd love to have a field day with sponsors of the New York Times, just with people in our FR's community.


20 posted on 09/12/2005 3:16:26 AM PDT by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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To: Crackingham
I believe this is the actually the real reason the Democrats rode the race card hard and fast even though the local and state governments had a lot more to do with the people suffering in the PooperDome

Perfect opportunity to get the folks back on the plantation
21 posted on 09/12/2005 3:17:03 AM PDT by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: Crackingham
Well, one solution for the poor black man is to get their puppeteers, the Dims, to impeach President Bush. That way they can get a dose of Cheney for the remaining two years.


Cheney and Rumsfeld. Yeah, that's the ticket!



22 posted on 09/12/2005 3:17:18 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: Crackingham

It's all Bush's fault. /Sarc off

But don't blame 40 years of Democratic socialism, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other vocal socialist black elitist who continue to "protect" and "preserve" their constituency (meal ticket). /Sarc off


23 posted on 09/12/2005 3:17:55 AM PDT by kipita (Freedom and Responsibility: F and R > F or R)
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To: the_Watchman
Drudge had audio on his radio show Sunday. NO Mayor Nagin had been interviewed prior to landfall on national TV and said the convention center *would not* be used since it was not needed. I can't recall which show it was. Either one of the A.M. shows (GMA?) or Sunday A.M. shows (MTP?).

And, as you said, the Red Cross (and Salvation Army) were prevented from supplying aid on that facility by the state Dept. of Homeland Security.

It's NEVER a surprise the press's DAMNED LIES are then regurgitated in polls.

24 posted on 09/12/2005 3:18:13 AM PDT by newzjunkey (CA Freepers, HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CaliforniaBorderPolice.com/)
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To: Crackingham

Did the NYT have an article along the lines of "Clinton's (and by extension Gore) status with Cubans takes hit" during the Elian fiasco?


25 posted on 09/12/2005 3:18:54 AM PDT by gop_gene
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To: tet68

So...Bush hates black people. Well, from all we've seen, heard, and read by the MSM, Bush must only hate the black people who live in New Orleans. He's fine with blacks in Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Does that even make sense??


Of course not!


26 posted on 09/12/2005 3:27:32 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@ God Bless President Bush As the MSM and Democrats Seek To Destroy Him.com)
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To: Crackingham
"Many African-Americans across the country said they seethed as they watched the television pictures of the largely poor and black victims of Hurricane Katrina dying for food and water in the New Orleans Superdome.."

Due to the lies and distortions of the MSM. MSM needs to die quicker.

27 posted on 09/12/2005 3:28:10 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: newzjunkey
And the purported rationale behind this decision, i.e. that they didn't want more people overcrowding the Superdome, is beyond comprehension.

You don't want to exacerbate a humanitarian crisis, so you intentionally deny food and water to people who are already in parlous health?

(Baffled Smiley.)

28 posted on 09/12/2005 3:30:45 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: A message

NY Times new slogan: Largest Editorial Section Of Any Paper - Begins on Page 1A.

I also see DU types writing oh-so-clever letters that the 'real looters' are the Bush administration. Whatever.


29 posted on 09/12/2005 3:34:41 AM PDT by relictele (How can Hillary run the country when she couldn't manage a household of 3?)
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To: Crackingham

Isn't this the same reporter who vowed that she'd gladly give Clinton a Lewinsky if he would keep abortion legal? Just consider the source.


30 posted on 09/12/2005 3:56:04 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Crackingham

It's a terrible thing when they're screwing with my reputation right along with Bush's.


31 posted on 09/12/2005 3:59:53 AM PDT by freema (Ready to Rock AND Roll)
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To: relictele

The Race Baiters and Race Pimps are having a field day. Too many African Americans are not truthfully looking into the Democratic Party and its destruction of the Black Family. Thug culture is the result. The Atlanta Journal Constitution reports that 40% of murders are committed by Black Males who are 6% of the population. Is there a problem there? Why does the media give this Thug Culture a free pass? Oh that's right they don't want to be racists.

The Mayhem, Rape, & Murder witnessed by the World is more confirmation that Black Culture in this Nation is seriously wheels off. That Rev.s Sharpton & Jackson and Hollyweird excuse this behavior is setting back race relations. Still Whites open their wallets, and their checkbooks and contribute. Others risk their lives and fortunes to help total strangers. Yet this is ignored.

The MSM empty suits have been looking for an issue to hang Bush with. An incomptent FEMA Administrator has given them the ammunition finally to weaken a strong President. That Bush has put African Americans into positions of National power does not matter to Blacks in the Democratic Party. I am sick of pandering to them and excusing the inexcusable.

Can we now have a reasonable Dialog about poverty? And stop trying to reinvogorate failed policies that created this mess in the first place. Want to see what Blacks do to each other Look at South Africa, The Congo, Sudan, Ruwanda. Yet our media dumb bells want to give a free pass to this behavior. No more guilt money to The Rainbow Extortion Racket of Rev. Jackson. No More.


32 posted on 09/12/2005 4:00:33 AM PDT by Khankrumthebulgar
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To: G.Mason

"Cheney and Rumsfeld. Yeah, that's the ticket!"

Shades of when Sherman made Georgia howl come to mind!



33 posted on 09/12/2005 4:09:56 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: the_rightside

Some of my people who have been staunch supporters of the Democrats for over 30 years, need to open their eyes to the fact that their support has done nothing for the Black Community. Some folks are still in the same boat because they have been accepting handouts too long. We have got to get behind the party that has the faith in us that we have our ability to be self- sufficient. And it is not the Democrats. The Democrats don't believe in we Black people.


34 posted on 09/12/2005 4:27:18 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: Crackingham
More motivational speeches for the left, from the head cheerleader, NY Times!
35 posted on 09/12/2005 4:29:24 AM PDT by airborne
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To: Khankrumthebulgar

I have to wonder, if America really were the racist nation that "con-yee" and his ilk think, would the outpouring of help from Americans be as overwhelming as it has been?? I almost have to wonder if they won't have a surplus of money and supplies when this is all over.

In addition, if white folks care nothing about black victims, wouldn't Mr Bush's ratings be going up? After all, if whites perceive he is racist like we are supposed to be, isn't Bush then doing the will of the people?? Just goes to prove the "rap artists," Sharpton, Jackson, and the rest of them are full of bull.


36 posted on 09/12/2005 4:30:32 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Crackingham

Yeah, with the help of the MSM. Thanks guys. /sigh


37 posted on 09/12/2005 4:37:57 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tet68

I'd have been disappointed if this didn't come out of the NY Times!


39 posted on 09/12/2005 4:43:04 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: Inge_CAV
"Shades of when Sherman made Georgia howl come to mind!"


Though I am a Yankee by birth and a Rebel by choice and I wish no harm to come to what is left of Southern tradition ... a good "howling" would be delightful! ;)



40 posted on 09/12/2005 4:49:11 AM PDT by G.Mason
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To: GOPJ
Like the really bad marriage where everyone sighs and concluded "they deserve each other", we must step away.

The analogy of the "bad marriage" is a very apt one.

The problem is that this lousy relationship affects our entire society, just the way a bad marriage affects the rest of the family, the neighbors and even police. Remember, a domestic violence call is one of the most dangerous calls there is for a police officer.

We had an international perception of a breakdown in US society - why? Because of the behavior of a tiny but disproportionately influential group of people. Like a bad marriage, they are damaging all of the society around them.

The problem is, of course, that the only people who can stop this are the Dems and the blacks themselves. Actually, the only people who can stop it are blacks, because they are individuals and can change, while the Dem party can't change because it has been this way since its inception. Blacks have to step away from the Dem party, and they have to start taking responsibility for their lives again. That's a pretty tall order, and they need leadership to do it. And therein lies the problem...

41 posted on 09/12/2005 4:49:35 AM PDT by livius
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To: brwnsuga; the_rightside
" Black Community "

I always cringe when I hear this. I don't really know what that means. I know there is a Chinese community in San Francisco, and I know some "poor communities" (redneck towns in the Hill Country), but I don't see a whole lot of "black community," especially in the images of looting.

Community implies neighbors and knowing them and caring for them. Community does not mean "your property is now communal because nobody is looking!"

In my case, (my statistically insignificant sample of me!) the only black people I know and hang out with are in my socio-economic level (or above me.) And they don't "cavort" with any black community that they ever speak of any more than I hang out with german-americans because they have blue eyes and bad tempers like me.

Non of this really means anything, just making an observation that I made once when I was pummeled by some NoCal libs when I said "the only black people I know in Texas are richer than me." They responded that they knew black people and that they volunteered many hours driving to Oakland to work in "the black community" and that I as an angry white man knew nothing about "the black community."

I thought that was ironic, and it still makes me think "the black community" is a ridiculous (if not belittling) concept.

42 posted on 09/12/2005 4:50:44 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Crackingham

Luckily for the media and the dumb dems Bush ain't running again. If he was running again, he would be doing all it takes to regain any lost standing with the public and would win reelection.


43 posted on 09/12/2005 4:52:50 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Crackingham
Early on after the hurricane, the news crews were going through the crowd outside the Superdome and they found a middle-aged black woman who had a message for George Bush. She took off her sunglasses and looked right into the camera so George Bush could look right into her eyes and in her best jive-laden street lingo. she did that shoulder and cocked jaw, wagging-the-finger thing that black women do so well and said that she won't NEVAHHH vote fo' dat George Bush agin!

I'm not too sure what the news channel was trying to convey but I would have hoped that they would have informed her that George Bush wasn't going to be running for anything anymore.

44 posted on 09/12/2005 4:53:35 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: brwnsuga
need to open their eyes to the fact that their support has done nothing for the Black Community....

It is precisely this "support" which has, over the years; extracted the father from the family unit, and worst of all, deprived recipients of their dignity and their faith in their own abilities.

45 posted on 09/12/2005 5:05:41 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Fenris6

It would be the one big opportunity for them.


46 posted on 09/12/2005 5:10:22 AM PDT by colonialhk (sooprize sooprize sooprize)
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To: Crackingham

The New York Times believes all black people are stupid enough to believe their Sht.


47 posted on 09/12/2005 5:11:40 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Crackingham

Sorry, you can't lose something you never had.


48 posted on 09/12/2005 5:11:56 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: colonialhk

Bush's popularity rising!


49 posted on 09/12/2005 5:12:30 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: Phlap
Right. I guess they hope this will hurt Republicans as a whole. What happens when 90% of a group of people vote for one party is that your vote has far less power. Why would Pubbies be worried they might lose 1/2 of one percent of the black vote, nation wide, over Katrina?

My guess, however, is that this will actually drive black voters to the Republicans. The Dems see all black voters as the people in NO when that is so far from the truth. If Master P can see that West was probably just trying to hype a new record than I am sure most others do too.

Once everything shakes loose it will be obvious that Nagin and Blanco shoulder the blame. The worst problem is the medias ignorance or just plain Pravda like ways of ignoring the truth. Chris Mathews recently asked a question like "Shouldn't there be one face, like a person, who is the face of this recovery, who we see as in charge of this whole thing?" I just wish some would say "There should be Chris and her name is Governor Blanco, she just isn't anywhere to be found. The reason we always see Jeb Bush on TV whenever a disaster hits Florida isn't because he's the Presidents brother, but because he is the Governor of Florida and knows what his responsibility is to Florida, you jack ass."

50 posted on 09/12/2005 5:12:45 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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