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Disaster Canít Destroy Gun Rights
NRA-ILA ^ | 9/12/05 | NRA-ILA

Posted on 09/12/2005 5:12:45 PM PDT by Nov3

Disaster Can’t Destroy Gun Rights

Monday, September 12, 2005

National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre slammed New Orleans authorities Monday for seizing legal firearms from lawful residents.

"What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves, " LaPierre said.

"When law enforcement isn’t available, Americans turn to the one right that protects all the others - the right to keep and bear arms," LaPierre said. "This attempt to repeal the Second Amendment should be condemned."

The New York Times reported last Thursday that no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to have guns, quoting the superintendent of police that "only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."

A Louisiana state statute allows the chief law enforcement officer to "regulate possession" of firearms during declared emergencies. "But regulate doesn’t mean confiscate," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA’s chief lobbyist.

"Authorities are using that statute to do what the looters and criminals could not: disarm the law-abiding citizens of New Orleans trying to protect their homes and families," Cox said.

"The NRA will not stand idly by while guns are confiscated from law-abiding people who’re trying to defend themselves," he said.

"We’re exploring every legal option available to protect the rights of lawful people in New Orleans," Cox said, "and we’re taking steps to overturn such laws in every state where they exist."

"Local authorities in New Orleans are turning nature’s assault on human life into man’s assault on human rights," LaPierre said. "Four million NRA members intend to stop this unconstitutional power grab."



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2cndamendment; banglist; jackboots; thugs
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After the wishy washy email earlier this week I was discouraged. They need to sue every jackboot that violated a private citizen's rights, especially that CHP jackboot that tackled the 70 year old woman in her own kitchen.

A sea change has taken place with the events in New Orleans. We must react forcefully. If you haven't called your representatives and the NRA you are passively accepting the inevitable. If you hate the NRA, call the GOA etc. Do something. If this stands the 2cnd amendment is toast. (It may already be toast but we must try "for the children". I want my child to grow up in a country where there are some freedoms.)

P.s. To all the FR cops. I have seen very few of you denounce this. If the cops on FR support this - what must it be like in the rank and file.

1 posted on 09/12/2005 5:12:51 PM PDT by Nov3
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To: Nov3
I'm glad the NRA has finally come out with this statement.
2 posted on 09/12/2005 5:15:37 PM PDT by Cagey (Scrapple is not for vegetarians, those who keep kosher, or those with weak stomachs)
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To: Cagey

Call them and tell them to take the actions they have outlined.


3 posted on 09/12/2005 5:17:05 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: absolootezer0; GOV'T MULE; El Gato; Wonder Warthog; Squantos; King Prout; Jeff Head

ping


4 posted on 09/12/2005 5:24:00 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3; Flyer; Eaker; humblegunner; Travis McGee; Squantos; thackney

If the NRA is so committed to this, then the plan needs to be laid out for it membership in extreme detail...

Forget about the statute for now...That can be dealt with in due course...

#1 Suspend and investigate the officer who acted upon that woman in her own home...Get the full story out there whether it goes our way or not...

#2 Every single firearm confiscated under this inappropriate order will be located and returned to its owner before the end of the week...If a full attempt to return is not documented, and or the weapons not returned in an expiditious manner to their owners, the City of New Orleans will be fined $1000 per day, per firearm, till the issue is resolved...Period...This needs a court to rule on this unfortunately...Maybe our future CJ nominee can make an impact on this next month, first thing...

#3 Don't ever, ever do it again...Thats the message that needs to be tattooed under the eyelids of a few people in the country...Leave it alone...Guns are not the problem...

This seems extremely reasonable and do-able...Considering the offence these officials committed by exploiting a vague guideline within the law...

They know they were testing to see who would pop up and notice what they did...

Time to put a lid on it all...

And if any Law Enforcement in the FR community has a problem with my tone, please by all means contact me...I welcome the opinions of that community, and will be glad to clarify my opinion if you feel I may be critical of Law Enforcement, which I am not...


5 posted on 09/12/2005 5:29:48 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Willie Green; freepatriot32; Tom Thumbs; cripplecreek; WillMalven; ...

ping


6 posted on 09/12/2005 5:31:17 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3
"Four million NRA members intend to stop this unconstitutional power grab."

And let's strive to make it 8 million by next year...

7 posted on 09/12/2005 5:31:54 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: Cagey
"I'm glad the NRA has finally come out with this statement."
What is the Administration's position on this? Any comments from the President or the Attorney General? I haven't heard anything. This is setting a really bad precedent.
8 posted on 09/12/2005 5:32:27 PM PDT by Burf (We'll all be drinking that free Bubble Up and eatin' that Rainbow Stew.)
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BTTT


9 posted on 09/12/2005 5:32:38 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Nov3

["Local authorities in New Orleans are turning nature’s assault on human life into man’s assault on human rights,"]


I believe the end of a free America and the bill of rights went out the door the day the five socialist supreme court judges allowed rich men to steal poor working class people's properties if they would pay higher taxes.
And no one in our conservative party has said or done a thing; the pubs are weak and foolish people and I don't belive they are worth voting for anymore.


10 posted on 09/12/2005 5:32:38 PM PDT by wgeorge2001 (And the Lord shall be King over all the earth;in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.)
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To: Nov3

Those cops who have done this should be prosecuted, stripped of their on own guns, and set out into the flood zone again armed only with tasers.


11 posted on 09/12/2005 5:35:10 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: stevie_d_64
#2 Every single firearm confiscated under this inappropriate order will be located and returned to its owner before the end of the week...If a full attempt to return is not documented, and or the weapons not returned in an expiditious manner to their owners, the City of New Orleans will be fined $1000 per day, per firearm, till the issue is resolved...Period...This needs a court to rule on this unfortunately...Maybe our future CJ nominee can make an impact on this next month, first thing...

I want to them to pursue Federal Civil rights cases against the officers involved - individually. I want them bankrupted and their family destitute. That includes the police leadership. The OK NG too. Then there should be a general suit against the NO and LA government hopefully bankrupting them too. People need to hurt.

If there are any criminal proceedings they need to be handled to. I saw several assaults on those clips. There were HUNDREDS more we didn't see.

12 posted on 09/12/2005 5:35:42 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: snowsislander

Amen, this cannot stand - it is a stake in our hearts.


13 posted on 09/12/2005 5:37:03 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: kcar
Those cops who have done this should be prosecuted, stripped of their on own guns, and set out into the flood zone again armed only with tasers.

Why do they get the tasers??

14 posted on 09/12/2005 5:37:46 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Burf
Any comments from the President or the Attorney General?

I think they sent a memo to the crickets outside my window.

15 posted on 09/12/2005 5:38:26 PM PDT by Cagey (Scrapple is not for vegetarians, those who keep kosher, or those with weak stomachs)
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To: Cagey

The solution is simple. The pigs who obey illegal orders show up at your house, you ask to see their warrant. Don't worry, they won't have one. You reply "See ya later!" and close & lock the door in their faces.

If the JBT's (Jack-Booted Thugs) try to break down the door, you are in clear and present danger from criminal home invaders. Commence Firing! Fire at will.


17 posted on 09/12/2005 5:39:29 PM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Nov3

Cause they'd be patrolling in water.


18 posted on 09/12/2005 5:42:11 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: Certain_Doom
Well at least we now know for certain what will happen when the Jihadists attack again. Disarm Americans!

Really the NYers were already disarmed so we can't even call that a precedent!

19 posted on 09/12/2005 5:43:39 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3

Thanks for the ping.


20 posted on 09/12/2005 5:47:22 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Nov3

Glad to hear this news. Our local San Antonio so called conservative radio talk show host had come out in support of the forced evacuations.

That was bad enough, but today when I turned him on he was peeing all over himself because he got to go down to NO and hang out with the National Guard and apparently with the BATF too. He said he was really impressed with the BATF. You should have heard him practically begging on the air to be invited into their circle so he could lick their boots some more. It was sickening.


21 posted on 09/12/2005 6:16:42 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: Nov3

I'll give a personal testimony to all FR's. I live in Florida and in last hurricane season my community was ravaged by two of the four hurricanes. There was no power, no immediate police protection, and no public services. We were ON OUR OWN. Florida gives easy access to firearms to all non-felons. We even have a right-to-carry law. As a precaution against possible looters I loaded my .38 Special. The important fact is that the criminals were very well aware that people all over the state were prepared to defend their lives and property. Guess what? There was no looting. In case anyone thinks my situation is anecdotal, I refer him to John Lott's many well researched books, especially "More Guns, Less Crime". The proven fact is that guns possessed by law-abiding citizens deters violent crimes. In our nanny state people have come to believe that at all times in every situation "somebody else" will look after them. But when you're really ALONE and there's no help -- who's going to protect your family and your property? ONLY YOU.


22 posted on 09/12/2005 6:18:11 PM PDT by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: planekT

Did this loser advocate what is going on.


23 posted on 09/12/2005 6:20:17 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: T.L.Sink
But when you're really ALONE and there's no help -- who's going to protect your family and your property? ONLY YOU.

Hell they still can't find 400 or so NO cops. The ones they could find - a substantial number of them were looting.

24 posted on 09/12/2005 6:21:38 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3

Here's the bootlickers home page if you want to see what he looks like.

http://www.woai.com/radio/bolton/


25 posted on 09/12/2005 6:25:06 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: Nov3

Yes, on the evacuations several days ago. He never said one word about people being disarmed, but to be fair, I couldn't even stand to listen to his whole show. He kind of changes topics though as he goes, so I'd bet he didn't.

He came out today with his unabashed love of the BATF, so between that and his support of the mandatory evacuation order, we can make a good guess as to how he feels about gun confiscation in this instance.

He's a puke.


26 posted on 09/12/2005 6:29:51 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: planekT

He would fit in well on this site.


27 posted on 09/12/2005 6:30:46 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3

With some, yes.


28 posted on 09/12/2005 6:34:03 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: Cagey
I'm glad the NRA has finally come out with this statement.

I'd be a lot more glad if they would have led with a lawsuit or request for an injunction rather than a press release. They haven't quite figured out yet that the rules just changed.

Still it's encouraging that they at least seemed to feel the heat from the membership. Y'all did call or email or otherwise give 'em hell, didn't you? I did, but if you didn't do it NOW. You can use their contact form, or give them a call @1-800-392-8683

29 posted on 09/12/2005 6:48:43 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: stevie_d_64
City of New Orleans will be fined $1000 per day,

What do the mayor, the police chief et.al. care about the taxpayers having to pay a fine. Fine the Mayor and the police chief each $500 per day per firearm, with lessor fines for lower level folks.

30 posted on 09/12/2005 6:52:59 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: planekT
bootlickers home page

Whew, I didn't think it would be Ricky or Trey, but am glad to hear it wasn't. :)

31 posted on 09/12/2005 6:56:43 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Nov3
no civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to have guns, quoting the superintendent of police that "only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons."

I want to watch the NOPD take the assault rifles away from the Blackwater Security guys and other mercenaries that have been hired to protect private property.

32 posted on 09/12/2005 7:01:52 PM PDT by JoeGar
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To: El Gato

To be honest, I don't listen to radio much. I'm a musician so that might have something to do with it. Between normal thinking music plays inside my head anyway.

I'd like to send this guy a big black boot, with a sticker on it that says "Property of BATF. Lick here." :-)


33 posted on 09/12/2005 7:08:59 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: Nov3

I see that you pinged some post-2000 Freepers. Are they aware of what you really think about them, as you posted below?

".....[post-2000 Freepers] don't have a CLUE what the constitution is and readily support ignoring and trashing it when it suits their means. (As a general rule that is.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1481891/posts?q=1&&page=1

Post #45

You're all over the board, man. What exactly is your stand?


34 posted on 09/12/2005 7:16:41 PM PDT by panaxanax
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To: All

I really feel that this disaster gave the feds the opportunity to test their power against lawful gun-owners.

THIS IS ONLY A TEST! Be prepared for gun confiscation coming to a town near you. Disasters could be a blizzard, tornados, blackouts, gas shortages etc, whatever FEMA and the Feds want it to be.

Buy ammo and lots of it. It's getting scary out there. WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!! FREEDOMS AND ALL!!!!


35 posted on 09/12/2005 7:23:57 PM PDT by panaxanax
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To: Cagey

but will the NRA put their money where their mouth is and start cases where the peopel will have their guns returned? Or did the NO PD just aquire more "drop guns".


Similarly after 9/11 everyone wore NYPD shirts with pride. NOBODY wants a NO PD t-shirt.


36 posted on 09/12/2005 7:29:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: panaxanax
There are some post 2000 freepers who aren't losers. The influx of the Bill O'Reilly Zombies overpowered the ones who understand the Constitution.

You really ought to pickup a copy and read it. You might discover your birthright. Unfortunately the reading might be above your head even though it is written in plain language. O'Reilly can help you with the interpretation!

37 posted on 09/12/2005 7:39:31 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Joe Brower

Could you please ping this? It looks like the NRA is finally waking up.


38 posted on 09/12/2005 7:43:52 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: panaxanax

(BTW this thread is just about Constitutional rights not something important like dogs! It really isn't something to get upset about. Go worry about the dogs it is a good post 2000 hot button issue - real important!)


39 posted on 09/12/2005 7:48:15 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: panaxanax

Talk is cheap. Guns and ammo cost money. Guts are priceless.

Which of these do you have the most of?

Nov. 3rd is correct. Those who are paying attention to the likes of Bill O'Reiley are likely worthless. I figured him out when he dissed the Swift Boat Vets.


40 posted on 09/12/2005 8:07:39 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: longtermmemmory; Registered
Similarly after 9/11 everyone wore NYPD shirts with pride. NOBODY wants a NO PD t-shirt.

There is an opportunity here!

41 posted on 09/12/2005 8:12:36 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: planekT
He got all bent out of shape because I was on a thread about dogs being shot in St. Bernard Parish by the redneck BTK sherrif and said that the NOPD was in real trouble now. As long as they stuck to seizing guns and kicking old ladies @$$e$ everything was OK but they crossed a line with the post 2000 freepers when they started shooting dogs! It must have struck a nerve because it blew the thread up!

And notice when I was talking about the post 2000 freepers I said "as a general rule"! The rule must have applied judging from the reaction.

42 posted on 09/12/2005 8:17:59 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3; longtermmemmory; Registered

"I left the NOPD an all I got was a trip to Vegas"


43 posted on 09/12/2005 8:20:57 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: planekT

and a Brand New soaking wet Plasma TV.


44 posted on 09/12/2005 8:26:39 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3

Oh no doubt. Some FReepers prefer dogs to people. That pit bull that mauled the children to death only did that because he was mistreated.

Of course, that doesn't hold up when they attack their benevolent owners and chew their ass up.


45 posted on 09/12/2005 8:27:33 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: planekT

I love dogs and was sickened when I saw the BTK sherrif in his wife beater T-shirt getting his rocks off shooting people's pets. It disgusted me - but the real problem was the mandatory evac. The only people who are going to take care of the pets are the owners and they were having thier Rights trashed.


46 posted on 09/12/2005 8:41:05 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
47 posted on 09/12/2005 8:44:11 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Deep within every dilemma is a solution that involves explosives)
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To: planekT; Nov3; longtermmemmory; Registered
"I (heart symbol) NOPD NYPD"
48 posted on 09/12/2005 8:50:41 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: Nov3
I have no problems with dogs either. We have a nice faithful mutt. He barks when he should, and he hasn't bit anybody. He never has had a reason to, and he's just generally well tempered.

Dogs left unattended though will likely form packs. The meanest one in the bunch is who the rest will follow.

Many years back a neighbor of mine had a dog that just kind of went nuts for some reason. It threatened his mother. This dog had in previous weeks suddenly killed every cat they had. He couldn't do it himself, and asked me if I would shoot it. This same dog who had never given me any problem for years had by the way about two weeks before the incident with his mom acted like he was going to chew me up.

So, I didn't have a problem with getting rid of that POS.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I like dogs, but I expect them to behave. They are good animals, but still animals. If left to their own devices without assistance, they can become a danger.

Did you ever read White Fang by Jack London? Socialist that he was, he could really get inside of an animals skin. I still get chills recalling the chapter "The Clinging Death".
49 posted on 09/12/2005 9:14:56 PM PDT by planekT (What a mess.)
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To: Burf
What is the Administration's position on this?

I Believe the administration's policy is
silence

50 posted on 09/12/2005 9:48:12 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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