Skip to comments.German sources suggest Bosnia-linked cell preparing new UK attack
Posted on 09/13/2005 9:12:31 AM PDT by joan
Text of report by Udo Ulfkotte entitled "Security circles: Indications of a third London terror cell", published by German news agency ddp on 12 September
September 12, 2005 --Frankfurt am Main: There are indications that the Al-Qa'idah terror organization has an intact network operating in the Balkans. Sources within the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) intimate that both the Madrid terrorists, and some of those who perpetrated the London bombings, had "contacts with Bosnia". These sources told ddp news agency that European intelligence services had "vague indications that another terror cell controlled from Bosnia is preparing a new attack on London".
Not only are the Al-Qa'idah terror group's structures in the Middle East being kept under observation by the intelligence services; but the situation in the Balkans as a whole also "gives cause for concern".
The King Fahd Mosque in Dobrinja, a suburb of Sarajevo, is also described as "a hotbed" of violent extremists. The "Balkans, particularly Bosnia and Kosovo" are said to be "a dangerous breeding-ground, presently under scarcely any observation, for Islamist terrorists". Muslims from Spain, Germany, the Netherlands, and Great Britain are reportedly travelling there to be "fanaticized".
Western security circles report that two young Muslims accidentally blew themselves up in Kosovo recently, when they were trying to test a mobile phone converted into a remote-controlled bomb. The men were said to have been attending a seminar organized by the Revival of Islamic Heritage, which had cooperated in the past with the Afghan Support Committee founded by Usamah Bin-Ladin.
In addition, though the Al Haramain Foundation, accused by the US government of funding terror groups, has been closed down, an organization calling itself Vazir and purportedly dedicated to sport, culture and education is reportedly still operating there. Many such foundations are said to be once again serving as "camouflage for the indoctrination and training of terrorists". Though the mujahidin groups' former training camps in Bosnia have been closed down, military training still continues there, under the guise of "youth camps or sports courses", according to BND circles.
One of the most well-known mujahidin leaders in the Balkans, Abdelkader Mokhtari, also known by the name of Abu El-Maali [names as published], who was said to be implicated in a failed bomb attack on US soldiers in Germany at the end of the 1990s, has now reportedly returned to Bosnia, and to have found a safe bolthole there. The degree to which the Balkans, and particularly Bosnia and Kosovo, have now reverted into travel destinations for Islamist extremists from western Europe is regarded as striking. The case of an incorrupt Serbian policeman, who in June arrested 22-year-old Moroccan Abdelmajid Bouchar [name as published], who was wanted in connection with the March 2004 bomb attacks on Madrid, is cited as an exception.
Source: ddp news agency, Berlin
I am so Glad - Clinton & Albright sent USA troops and warplanes to bomb the hell out of the Serbians to assure that we now have new radical Islamic-Fascist states (Bosnia and Kosovo)& new terrorist training camps in south eastern Europe.
Thanks - Billy !!
Bosnian blow back. Done up Muhammadan style.
Terrorism is truly international.
We need to keep reorienting our international institutions to combat organized terror.
Well, maybe we can have that mosque "sanitized"...
Here's the way I see it, Joan - Belgrade is still looking to tie Kosovo's future to the Republika Srpska's, in some sort of "you take this, we get that" way, and Banja Luka is deathly concerned about having it's police be turned from partners in it's little organized crime empire into an actual police force dedicated to enforcing laws. So efforts are being made to forestall Bosnia's normalization (read integration of the two entities) by portraying non-Serb Bosnia as a jihadist haven, thus making a case for keeping the two halves separated and keeping the Republika Srpska in play as territory for future Serbian annexation.
Unfortunately for the folks looking to carry this out, the folks they need to convince know better, so this is all for naught.
Gonna be an interesting next couple of weeks in regards to Police reform and the Republika Srpska.
I hope you enjoy it as much as I do.
the goings on of the Balkans is above joans head, hoplite. her rants are right up there with detros hallucinogenic theories.
try hitting zividici (sp?) about 20 min south of Doboj, a Jihad R/R haven. Maybe a trip in-country can quell many of your denials too. The Italian SF are too busy chasing down the Croatian mafia and islamic radicals. BTW - The Serbs supply SFOR with intel data in much greater quantity and quality then the croat-bih federation alliances.
On a perfectly clear summer day - Thursday, September 3, 1992 - an Italian G 222 turbo-propelled, twin-engine, nine-ton transport aircraft, with a five-ton shipment of blankets intended for Sarajevo has been shoot down north of city of Konjic.
Four crew (Italians) and four passengers (French citizens) on board were killed.
When American reconnaissance and rescue helicopters from the Iwo Jima tried to land, they came under small arms fire and an infra-red homing missile was fired from the ground.
France called this an "act of terrorism, US Department of State said they will wait for the final results of UNPROFOR and the Italian investigations.
We did not see results of this investigation, didnt we? Reason - according to Italian media investigation found out that unfortunate plane has been brought down deep in Croat-Muslim held territory by a Stinger. That Stinger was sent to Afghanistan mujahedin by international community and they sent it (and volunteers) to their brethren in muslim Bosnia.
I remember the shoot down, Zagor - speculation at the time had the local Croats (Kiseljak, I think) downing the plane in order to force aid to travel along road routes they controlled, allowing them to take their cut.
Knock off the BS.
not kiseljak, further west by 50kms.
(a subsequent Italian Government investigation determined the plane was struck by a surface-to-air missile fired by an unknown source about 17 miles from Sarajevo) source
Islamist terrorists organizing in Bosnia
FRANKFURT-AM-MAIN, Germany, Sept. 14 (UPI) -- Al-Qaida may have an intact terror network operating in the Balkans, German security officials say.
Sources within Germany's Bundesnachrichsiendienst, or Federal Intelligence Service (BND) told the German news agency DDP that both the Madrid terrorists, and some of those who perpetrated the London bombings, had "contacts with Bosnia," DDP reported Monday.
The BND sources told DDP that European intelligence services had "vague indications that another terror cell controlled from Bosnia is preparing a new attack on London".
The King Fahd Mosque in Dobrinja, a suburb of Sarajevo, was described by the BND sources as "a hotbed" of violent extremists, DDP said.
The "Balkans, particularly Bosnia and Kosovo" are now "a dangerous breeding-ground, presently under scarcely any observation, for Islamist terrorists," a BND source told DDP. Muslims from Spain, Germany, the Netherlands, and Britain are reportedly traveling there to be "fanaticized," he said.
Other Western security sources told BND that two young Muslims accidentally blew themselves up in Kosovo recently when they were trying to test a mobile phone converted into a remote-controlled bomb. The men were said to have been attending a seminar organized by the Revival of Islamic Heritage.
One of the most well-known mujahidin leaders in the Balkans, Abdelkader Mokhtari, also known by the name of Abu El-Maali [names as published], who was said to be implicated in a failed bomb attack on U.S. soldiers in
Germany at the end of the 1990s, has now reportedly returned to Bosnia, and found a safe bolt hole there, BND said.
I don't have any information, just memory recall. It was only an hours drive from Sarajevo and it was near a lake (Jezero Modrac). That is much further then 30kms/17 miles.
.......The King Fahd Mosque in Dobrinja, a suburb of Sarajevo, is also described as "a hotbed" of violent extremists.......
The entire Western intelligence community, including the CIA, knows that that mosque is a hotbed of Al Qaeda, including a recruiting ground for Europe-based international jihadists who go to Iraq to kill Americans.
See, for example, http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/alqaedafamily8.html
Americans should no longer allow themselves to be fooled about the true nature of muslim "Bosnia"!
They're defiant to the very end, aren't they?
you lack the intellect nor the capacity to accept that the war was not entirely the Serbs fault. A failure on your part to realize that the Serbs and more or less the Croatians were pushed into the corner to mobilize for war due to the muslim one-way insistance they be granted full unconditional independance. This was being mapped out prior to the Croatian breakaway. The decision was made by the muslims of bih to delay their hard push til after croatia made their move. The muslims knew there would be fighting and so they orchestrated hostility intent and PR to their favor.
The decision was made by the muslims of bih to delay their hard push til after croatia made their move.
After seeing what the JNA did in Croatia, the Muslims actually pressured the Germans NOT to recognize BiH independence knowing full well what it would probably bring.
PR? The Muslims needed no "orchestration" on that front. The Serbs did more than enough for them.
The muslims knew how to play the game and knew how to use PR. Majority of the "muslim dead" were Serbs and was orchestrated to be seen as "butchered muslims", but were in fact "butchered Serbs".
One of Burns's first stories after his arrival back in Sarajevo in July 1993 contained a reference to the infamous "bread line massacre" of the previous year, which Bosnian Muslims used to pressure the U.N. Security Council as it prepared to vote for sanctions against Serbia. A year after some U.N. official acknowledged that Muslims, not Bosnian Serbs, had set off explosive that killed 22 civilians outside a Sarajevo bakery. Burns and the "Times" still reported the claim that a Serb mortar had caused the tragedy. Ironically, that same July 5 story by Burns focused on Bosnian paramilitary police in Sarajevo who were firing mortars on nearby Bosnian army units. Repeated attempts to interview Burns, who returned briefly to Toronto last June, were unsuccessful.
There have also been questions about Roy Gutman's Pulitzer-winning scoops in August 1992 about two Serb-run "death camps." Gutman constructed his accounts, to his credit, admittedly so, from alleged survivors of Manjaca and Trnopolje. But as one British journalist, Joan Phillips, has pointed out: "The death camp stories are very thinly sourced. They are based on the very few accounts from hearsay. They are given the stamp of authority by speculation and surmise from officials. Gutman is not guilty of lying. He did not try to hide the fact that his stories were thinly sourced." But it is also true, as Phillips noted, that Gutman's disclaimers were placed near the end of the article. Yet those stories were the principal basis for the world's belief that the Serbs were not simply holding Muslim prisoners but were operating death camps in Bosnia. Phillips also drew attention to Gutman's visit in September 1992 to the scene of a massacre of 17 Serbs near Banja Luka, which went unreported until December 13, three months later. Gutman could not be contacted and "Newsday" editors would not explain the lapse in publication. Gutman did discuss his reporting later on: in an interview in the July 1993 "American Journalism Review," he explained that he had abandoned strict objectivity in his coverage in order to pressure governments to act.
The entire media response to the issue of atrocities against Serbs raises a troubling question: why did the press show such minimal interests in Serb claim of death camps housing their own people? Documents submitted to the European parliament and U.N. by Bosnian Serbs have included horrible claims:
The resulting handful of rape-produced births also clearly contradicts claims of waves of systematic rape-induced pregnancies supposedly treated in Bosnia hospitals and reported by Bosnian government authorities and Western journalists.
The general lack of follow-up on the rape allegations is in stark contrasts to the lone account of French journalist Jerome Bony, who described in a February 4, 1993, broadcast on the French television program "Envoye Special" his trek to Tuzla, notorious for its concentration of Muslim rape victims:
"When I was at 50 kilometers from Tuzla I was told, 'go to Tuzla high school ground (where) there are 4,000 raped women'. At 20 kilometers this figure dropped to 400. At 10 kilometers only 40 were left. Once at the site, I found only four women willing to testify."
At the height of the rape story, media gullibility reached new levels. In mid-February 1993, the Associated Press, citing only a Bosnian government source, reported alleged cannibalism by starving Muslims in Eastern Bosnia. The story achieved instant headlines in the United States. Receiving little if any play, however, was the vigorous denial the following day by U.N. officials in Bosnia, who rushed to the scene of supposedly starving villagers and discovered them still in possession of livestock and chickens.
In its effort to force Western military intervention, the media also critically neglected to report essential details about the 17-hour debate last may that led to the Bosnian Serb Parliament's rejection of the Vance-Owen plan. No fewer than 50 reports were filed on the Associated Press and "New York Times" wire services in the 18 hour period following the final vote by the Bosnia Serb Parliament, but only one of them attempted a minimal description of the plan.
"The mauling of Sarajevo, the worst single crime against a community in Europe since Auschwitz, cannot be watched impassively night after night on television news bulletins," as Robert Fox of the London "Daily Telegraph" put it. That was the general image. But another side of the story deserved more attention.
As early as July 1992, senior Western diplomats had stated publicly that Bosnian Muslim forces in Sarajevo were repeatedly provoking Serb shelling of the city to trigger western military intervention. But few wire stories from Sarajevo bothered to establish that the almost daily artillery barrages and ceasefire violations were not always started by Bosnian Serbs, who often, officials said repeatedly, were returning fire from Muslims who had fired on Serb targets and neighborhoods first. Without making such distinctions, stories implied that the Serbs were alone to blame for the "Siege of Sarajevo." Also, U.N. observers were positioned primarily to detect artillery actions by Serbs, raising questions about the volume of non-Serb artillery fire, which was often observed to be almost as intense as Serb shelling.
"Kosevo" hospital in Sarajevo was a favorite backdrop for television journalists who, when the hospital's water supply was interrupted because of the shelling, eagerly awaited the first birth without water in the maternity ward. Once they got their pictures, the Western film crews dismantled their cameras and returned to the nearby Holiday Inn, where hot water was abundant. Unreported was the fact that on their exit from the hospital they had to avoid tripping over a shielded Bosnian army mortar emplacement that was never identified as the probable reason why Serbs sporadically fired at the hospital.
Countless news stories rarely heeded statements from U.N. officials that Bosnian Muslim units frequently initiated their own shelling of Muslim quarters of the city as well as Serb neighborhoods. For instance, on March 23, 1993, major Pee Galagos of UNPROFOR in Sarajevo described the previous day's exchanges; "There were 341 impacts recorded: 133 on the Serbian side and 208 on the Bosnian side with 82 artillery rounds, 29 mortar rounds and 22 tank rounds hitting the Serbians; and 115 artillery, 73 mortar and 20 tank rounds hitting the Bosnians."
It was a rare exception to the media's usual tilt when, on July 22, 1992, the "Guardian" reported U.N. commander Mackenzie's reaction to attacks on civilian targets in Sarajevo: "Mortars are set up beside hospitals, artillery beside schools, mortars and other weapons are carried in ambulances. I've never seen the Red Cross abused like that, on both sides." Such reports seldom appeared in the American media, which may explain some dramatic differences in the public perspectives about intervention between Europe and the United States.
French general Phillipe Morillon, following his relief as commander of UNPROFOR in late June 1993, emphatically blamed the Bosnian Muslim government for failing to lift the siege of Sarajevo. In an interview with the Prague daily "Lidove Noviny", Morillon said the Bosnian regime wanted to keep Sarajevo a focal point for world sympathy and repeatedly refused to allow UNPROFOR to achieve a ceasefire.
By mid-1993, the ability to tell the Serb side of the story was gone, as some observers recognized. "The Serbians have much to say and as yet have had virtually no opportunity to do so," argued Mary Hueniken in "The London Free Press." "Sanctions slapped on Serbia prevent it from hiring a PR firm to help it put its two cents in," reported the June 7, 1993, issue of "O'Dwyer's Washington Report," a public relations and public affairs publication that monitors the PR industry in Washington.
"As a result, Serbs, thought surely guilty of numerous atrocities, have been pilloried in the press. Reporters, meanwhile, cheer on the out-gunned Bosnians, who undoubtedly have their own skeletons in the closet, and give Croatia, which wants to carve up its own chunk of Bosnia, a free ride. The U.S. public won't get a clear picture of what is really happening in the Balkans until Serbia is allowed to present its case through PR."
The tentative media self-criticism that has emerged so far has focused superficially on television coverage of the Yugoslav civil war. According to the Center for Media and Public Affairs, a nonprofit research organization in Washington, for the first three months of 1993 the major networks aired 233 stories on Bosnia during prime-time news, as opposed to only 137 stories on president Bill Clinton's economic plans.
Similarly, Marc Gunther, of Knight-Ridder newspapers, noted the "depressing regularity" of ABC's "World News Tonight" broadcasts about Bosnia. "Is ABC doing too much with the story, or are its rivals not doing enough? And what accounts for the different approaches?" he wrote. Gunther's story was based on the "Tyndall Report", which monitors evening newscasts. It found that ABC's Yugoslav war reporting had provided 301 minutes of coverage, compared with 179 for NBC's "Nightly News" and 177 for the CBS'S "Evening News" during the 11 months that ended in March."
"In 1992, excluding the election, the most covered story on ABC was the Balkans," Gunther continued. "CBS's top story was the Los Angeles riots, while NBC devoted the most minutes to Somalia. ABC's "Nightline", meanwhile, has devoted more than a dozen programs to the Balkans since last year, many consisting entirely of reporting from the scene of the fighting." The analysis suggested a special ABC commitment to the Bosnian war. Gunther noted that Roone Arledge "has a personal connection to the war because, as president of ABC sports, he produced coverage of the 1984 Winter Olympics in Sarajevo. Last year, David Kaplan, a producer for ABC's "Prime Time Live", was killed by a sniper's bullet while preparing a report on the war." Gunther also underlined Peter Jennings's "personal convictions on Bosnia" and his admonitions that the world community had failed to ease the suffering there. An ABC spokesman, contacted for response, said Gunther and the Knight-Ridder story were "right on the money."
In ABC's case, the motive for its coverage may be easy to find. But that is not the case for many other news organizations. In the wake of the negligence and pack journalism that have distorted the coverage of the Yugoslav civil war to date, the media would be well-advised to gaze into their own mirrors and consider their dubious records. At some point, historians or unofficial international investigation will determine the true culpability of all the actors in the Yugoslav tragedy. But one of those actors is the press itself. In Bosnia, where major governments had few intelligence assets and where the role of international public opinion was central, it was critical that the news media report with precision and professionalism. Instead, the epitaph above the grave of objective and fair reporting in the Yugoslav war probably will be written with the cynicism conveyed in an internal memorandum of April 19, 1993, from a cartoonist to his syndicate's editorial-page editors:
"I was SKEDed earlier today for a cartoon on the Rodney King verdict to be faxed out this afternoon. However, given the racial and legal complexities of the case we have decided that such an issue is best left unaddressed in the uncompromising language of an editorial cartoon. I will be sending a cartoon on the war in Bosnia instead."
Johnnyonthespot, i can go on and on.
YOu want to know why the Serbs wanted to force the muslim army out of Gorazde back in the spring of 1994???
Let me guess....bin Laden was among them???
If that was accomplished, many ppl on all sides would have been dead or gravely ill. the bosnian serbs made preemptive strike to disable the water tower/center. once they gained control of that tower area, they moved out of town. but, they never relinquished the control of it. the muslims knew and then were told by Gen Rose if they (muslms) made any attempt to sabotage the tower, he'd allow the Serbs to have Gorazde. It had nothing to do with "mladic backing down"..that was all public posturing. The muslms knew if that was legitimized by Gen Rose to the press, serious black eye for the muslims.
Seseljs boys were the ones who took control of the tower and the town center. Funny thing, they opened up a corridor for the injured muslm civlians to be evacuated to safety. The muslim civilians were being held hostage by the muslm army. STrange it took "Seseljs figthers" to free them from terror and into the safety of the Serbs.
By mid-1993, the ability to tell the Serb side of the story was gone, as some observers recognized.
Gee I wonder why. Serbophibia I guess....
Ah so the Serbs were actually saving the people of Gorazde.
The Muslims in the town seem to think otherwise. In fact many were refugees from Foca, Visegrad and elsewhere cleansed by the Serbs and were scared sh*tless by the prospect of being overrun again.
Where and who the f*ck told you that? Better yet, where'd you hear that from, johnny onthespot?
Serbs Exit Blasting
Troops smash water source, leave Gorazde a shambles
By Roy Gutman. EUROPE CORRESPONDENT
Bonn, Germany - Bosnian Serb troops withdrew their heavy weapons
from the center of Gorazde yesterday, but burned down houses, blew up a
vital water treatment plant and fired mortars and sniper rifles as they
pulled out, the United Nations announced.
Yasushi Akashi, the chief UN representative in Bosnia, said the
Serbs had made "progress" but they were "not perfect" in implementing
the ceasefire they had signed with the UN after NATO threatened massive airstrikes.
US Army analyst, Lt. Col John E. Sray wrote in his wartime diary that reporters Christiane Amanpour and Peter Jennings accepted Muslim propaganda as unvarnished truth, and sent anti-Serb reports from Bosnia.
Serbs were blamed for the atrocities in Vase Miskina street [breadline] and Markale [marketplace], where several dozen innocent civilians were killed. This led to sanctions against Serbia (from 1992 onward), and the bombing of Bosnian Serb military positions [in 1995]. Almost a decade later, then-UNPROFOR commander, UK General Michael Rose explained in his memoirs that Serbs were falsely accused, and that the fatal shells most likely came from Muslim positions in order to provoke a reaction of the West.
Concerning the 1993 massacre at the Sarajevo Markale marketplace, future US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright not only lied, but in her effort to deceive the world also declared the evidence classified. The evidence she tried to suppress has revealed beyond any doubt that Bosnian Muslims butchered their own people to win world sympathy. That lie has subsequently cost the Serbs thousands of innocent lives.
The Western public calmly ignores the fact that many Pulitzer laureates built their careers on Serb-slandering lies. Reporters of the British ITN, who shot the exclusive footage of starving Bosniaks in Serb concentration camps, did not confess until 1997 that the footage was a deception.
CNNs star reporter Christiane Amanpour often reported from Pale, claiming to be live from Sarajevo, and solicited outrage against the Chetniks who raped 50,000 Bosniak women. No one in the West seemed interested for the epilogue of such stories, such as the case of one of the allegedly raped Bosniak women, who was given asylum in Switzerland and there gave birth to an African baby. Similar monstrous lies were repeated during the Kosovo war, again demonizing the Serbs.
To top it off, the muslims were in the process of putting chlorine into the regions water treatment tower. Using religious places as wpns emplacements and shield. I can go on and on...
What's with this condesending "johnny onthespot" crap?
Don't like it when people don't swallow your nationalistic version of events?
Refugees trapped in Gorazde (having been first driven from elsewhere) say they were scared sh*tless. I don't suspect you've ever looked up any refugee accounts that weren't Serbian so I guess you'd have no bloody idea!
By the way johnnyonthespotty, majority of the the muslim refugees from gorazde departed to Serbia. Why didn't they head towards muslim areas? They were afraid of being 'being used as shields and pawns, victims of their own bih army terror tactics.
Hey, johnnyonthespoty, you tell me more information that contradicts what Rose and McKenzie say and from what I know.
Heck Johnnyonthespotty, you can't even tell differant then what you were fed from Christiane Amanpour - the minnie mouse that saves Sarajevo!
Ah Living Marxist! Where would Serbs be without that trustworthy source...
The editors of that commie rag acknowledged on the stand during libel trial that the camps were God-awful places where people met horrible ends. But don't let that stop you!
How old are you?
Seriously, you debate like a 14 year old boy!
You know, one part of me wishes we'd backed the Serbs...simply because they were fighting Muslims and Muslims haven't been in my good books for, oh, about 4 years and 5 days now...
but then I think about people like you and how you led Serbia to its present place and I suddenly don't think we bombed you guys enough!
Ever notice how the likes of Living Marxist, Ramsey Clark, International ANSWER, the Communist Party and other such characters on the looney left regularly jump to the defence of the nationalist "Serb cause" that led many good Serbs to ruin?
Ever wonder why that is?
The Serbs didn't realize the impact that a PR campaign would have til it was too late.
The first sign of being defeated is namecalling as you have done.
I could care less about the people over their, just the truth, just the truth.
If you know anything about me, which you don't, you'd know that about me. That is why I'm not the most popular on here, even with the pro-Serb crowd.
I call 'em as the truth pans out.
You are weak.
Result of UNPROFOR and the Italian investigation is that Stinger supplied by Afghanistan freedom fighters to extremist in Sarajevo had been used.
But, as we now, all Yugoslav truths are not for telling. Plane has been shot down deep in Croat-Muslim held territory and they couldnt pin this down on Serbs so they stayed numb and they never went public with their findings.
Same is happening in London, where Metropolitan Police still refuse to tell of what origin is explosive used in terrorist attack. Or in Potocari:
Police "on the track" of Srebrenica bombers
Maybe rockets had came trough Pakistan or were brought by Bin Laden himself. One German journalist recognized him leaving Izetbegovics office. She was in the hallway waiting for the interview and had little chat with Osama. Nice, polite, quiet man she described him.
Bottom line nobody ever accused Croats from Kiseljak for downing this plane so cut BS.
Lemme guess - it's a "Secret" report, which is why you can't provide it to back your allegations.
A farne le spese era proprio il nostro G222, che il 3 settembre veniva abbattuto da due missili terra-aria SA9, sparatigli dalla sommità di un rilievo in territorio croato mentre era in avvicinamento allaeroporto di Sarajevo, percorrendo il corridoio umanitario concordato tra le fazioni in lotta e la Comunità Europea. source
Loosely translated, this states that the G-222 was shot down by 2 SA-9s fired from a hilltop in Croatian controlled territory while on final approach to Sarajevo, in the agreed humanitarian air corridor.
And who is this nobody doing the talking?
The Italian Defence Ministry - nobody important, so you can just keep on spouting your version of events regardless.
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
If you bothered to read your own links you would find that number of occurrences for Kiseljak is exactly zero. Kiseljak is place where U.S. diplomat was wounded as she returned to the capital in July of 1996.
Investigation mentioned in State Department briefing took place but results were not made public. But those results were leaked to some Italian and German newspapers, and those results are as I said: Stinger and Croat-Muslim forces.
Can you tell me what is exactly in religion of peace that makes you people so shamelessly invent things?
"Unfortunately, the presidency of Bosnia-Herzegovina and the Bosnian army headquarters were directly involved in this act," he said. "The Srebrenica enclave ... was deliberately sacrificed."
But you can't pull out a map, and you don't know anything relevant, so instead you're repeating your unsubstantiated lie, as if your mere word carried more weight than the Italian Defence Ministry.
What a pathetic display.
Then you have the temerity to accuse me of being Muslim, as if that lie would somehow save your sorry butt, and turn around and declare that I'm the one who's lying, when the facts presented clearly demonstrate the reverse.
Black is white, up is down, and you've got the integrity required to carry on an honest discussion.
*Shraeder, "The Muslim-Croat Civil War in Central Bosnia" Appendix A, HVO Operative Zone Central Bosnia Order of Battle
** Maas, "Love Thy Neighbor" pp 118-119, also, Silber & Little, "Yugoslavia, Death of a Nation", pp 295-296, or, you could have simply paid attention to the news at the time.
Wasn't killing Serbian Christians really all worth it? /sarcasm
I just read this.....there is confirmation that stingers were located in the Balkans from Afghanstan Muh. I personally spoke to the interviewer that did the lie detector test of several Albanians that were in the Bondsteel Holding fac. Whether they were used in this operation, I can't answer. They were there however........
Of course they were, Tom: they were captured by the Serbs and used to shoot down all those aircraft that NATO denies ever having lost during Allied Force.
No wonder the West has shut the matter up - it's embarrassing.
Why, if the Leprechaun who administered the sodium pentathol during Slobo's arrival debriefing at the Hague hadn't told me, I would have never known myself.
no, the ones I'm speaking of were smuggled in by the Muh. to be used against NATO long after 1999. These were brought in much later for attacks against the UN/NATO forces from Afghanstan....sorry, doesn't wash here.
You're timing is way off.
Hari hari har.....:))) But, in an earlier post you said there were no evidence of Stingers. These were not captured by the Serbs.....what are you talking about? These came in-country in 2002 or 2003.....
The Stingers to the Balkans story is BS no matter what year it's in.
And you might try to get together with the other disinformation artists the next time you're at the SUC convention, so you can at least get on the same sheet of music as far as which way the Balkan SAM trade is supposed to be flowing.
The timing is all that matters. What are you talking about? You clearly do not have the recent events or accurate sequence of events placed properly. The stingers in the Balkans is a fact. I personally talked to the person that conducted the lie detector test on the perps. He discovered two things in several interviews of Albanian terrorist. One, they had acquired stinger missiles going through Bosnia to be used in Kosovo.......This was passed to us in one KFOR Security meeting at Bondsteel during 2002. I actually could locate the minutes of the meeting that they reported this. I returned to the U.S. in 2004, and due to circumstances actually met the person that conducted the lie detector test that discovered this bit of intelligence.
What you declare or state is not correct nor is it of any authority. The SUC convention has more truth than most any other conference or intell gathering.
Hoplite, the stingers in the Balkans is a fact and for me it's not second hand......it's from two distinct sources that are confirmed. The other bit of info was the suicide bomber planning to take out Bondsteel during a lunch period........that is also confirmed.....it was stopped.....due to the same lie detector tech......
Hopelite, don't even try........