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German sources suggest Bosnia-linked cell preparing new UK attack
Serbianna ^ | September 13, 2005

Posted on 09/13/2005 9:12:31 AM PDT by joan

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To: Kenny Bunk
When evaluating a country's foreign policy, it is always a good idea to have a look at what this nation teaches its school children. Go to a Syrian school and the map of "Syria" hanging there on the wall includes Lebanon, Israel, and Jordan. Go to a Palestinian school and the map of "Palestine" includes all of Israel, the WB, and the Gaza Strip. I just wonder what the Republic of Turkey teaches its school children? I would not be a bit surprised if, as part of the curricula, a good deal of good old fashioned "Manifest Destiny" revanchism is not part of the program.
If anyone knows for sure, I'd appreciate dropping me a line in my mail or answering this thread.
101 posted on 03/10/2006 11:33:44 AM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Hoplite

Hoplite, you are a waste of my time.....:) However, I can see that you were a busy boy even back to 2000. Some of your posts could almost be copy and pasted since then. The only disinfo person is you. I do however, appreciate the link to that article. It's right on target.........

http://www.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91134-bosnia_p3705,00.html

Lately, you have exhibited extreme gross intellectual incompetence by providing exceptionally deceptive information that is designed to give poorly structured disinformation to those who don't know the truth. You seem to be pro-Clinton, Albright policies that pertain to the Balkans. Or, you belong to some misguided association that is also linked to Clark. In other words you are "der boy on the FR". I will admit, the Balkan strategy was well crafted and designed to last, even down to a pro-Independence lobbying group in D.C.....amazing....

Granted the missiles might have been going to Afghanistan, however, the issue was that missiles were in the Balkans, period and supports the info I received that they were being brought into Kosovo this same time period. The missiles I was speaking of was much later and after 2001 entering the Balkans to be used against the IC. As I can only state what I had heard from the sources I mentioned. Something could of been lost in the translation there, as to the actual origin of the Stingers. Either way, they were reportedly being sent to Kosovo for use against the IC. Apparently, the threat was handled.


102 posted on 03/10/2006 11:51:04 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: attiladhun2

Don't know if you ever saw these....my favorites..../sarc

http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm



http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?


103 posted on 03/10/2006 11:53:21 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Granted the missiles might have been going to Afghanistan, however, the issue was that missiles were in the Balkans, period and supports the info I received that they were being brought into Kosovo this same time period.

"the missiles"

No, Tom, not "the missiles", as "the missiles" from Afghanistan you're trying to conjure up are Stingers, whereas "the missiles" from the Balkans would have been ex-Yugoslav or Albanian Strela variants.

Completely different things, aren't they?

That's a rhetorical question, Tom - the answer is "Yes", but the ability to arrive at said conclusion requires a mental ability at least on par with a chimp, and you're so far out to lunch that even this most basic of distinctions has escaped your feeble mental grasp.

Lately, you have exhibited extreme gross intellectual incompetence by providing exceptionally deceptive information that is designed to give poorly structured disinformation to those who don't know the truth.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Nice own goal, sport.

104 posted on 03/10/2006 12:06:54 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: tgambill

Sorry, but I can't open these. What is the gist of them?


105 posted on 03/10/2006 12:19:18 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Hoplite

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1302001/posts

Albanian police have seized three shoulder-held anti-aircraft missiles and arrested four people accused of smuggling the weapons from Montenegro and attempting to send them to Macedonia, police said today.

The Yugoslav-made Strela 2M shoulder-fired missiles, akin to U S Stinger missiles, came from the stock of the Yugoslav army and had been bought for 100,000 euros in Bosnia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2002/02/16/wdrug16.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/02/16/ixworld.html

Rebels spend drug millions on guns
Arms trade experts who have followed some of the deals say up to 20 SA-18 and SA-7 shoulder-held anti-aircraft missile systems are among the weapons.

The missiles could tip the balance of the dormant conflict in Macedonia by giving rebels the ability to shoot down the Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunships and Sukhoi Su-25 ground attack jets bought from the Ukraine by the Macedonian forces.




"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Nice own goal, sport."

****You took my line I wrote to you several weeks ago. Certainly you adhered to my advice and provided disinfo, as it appears now, since 2000. Bottom line, you don't provide many, if any , links to support your positions. You seem to discredit those links that do not support your assertions or in a few cases, weak links that are easy to discredit. You ignore other links that support the other opinion no matter how specific.......

We could go on and on like this for days...:) I've got more important things to do. But, I will be back........


106 posted on 03/10/2006 12:21:30 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
I can only assume that your continued posting about Strelas means you've forgotten what the point of contention is.

Try to get your head together and then re-read post #51.

107 posted on 03/10/2006 12:41:41 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: attiladhun2
When evaluating a country's foreign policy, it is always a good idea to have a look at what this nation teaches its school children

Not good for one's peace of mind! Besides, Turkey, Palestine, and Syria (never mind most of North America) are probably included in the grandiose concept of "The Greater Albania" which apparently includes every country on the planet where an Albanian was contemplating GTA (grand theft, auto), starting a brothel, or taking over heroin distribution.

108 posted on 03/10/2006 12:58:35 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (OK, how bad we hurt for 2006? Who we running in 2008?)
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To: attiladhun2

the gist is basically that the children are being brainwashed to hate.


http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=968wmv&ak=null

3½-Year-old Egyptian Basmallah: Jews Are Apes and Pigs (Archival Material)


Following are excerpts from an interview with three-and-a-half year old Egyptian girl, Basmallah, broadcast on Iqra TV on May 7, 2002.
Interviewer Duaa Amer: Our report today will be a little different, because our guest will be a girl, a Muslim girl, but a true Muslim. Allah willing, may God give us the strength to give our children the same education, so that the next generation of children will all be true Muslims who know that they are Muslims and know who their enemies are. This child will now introduce herself. She's the daughter of a sister in Islam, Hueida, and of the artist Wagdi Al-Arabi. Her name is Basmallah, and I will ask her too.
Peace be upon you.
Basmallah: Allah's mercy and blessings upon you.
Amer: What's your name?
Basmallah: Basmallah.
Amer: How old are you, Basmallah?
Basmallah: Three and a half.
Amer: Are you a Muslim?
Basmallah: Yes.
Amer: Basmallah, do you know the Jews?
Basmallah: Yes
Amer: Do you like them?
Basmallah: No.
Amer: Why don't you like them?
Basmallah: Because.
Amer: Because they are what?
Basmallah: They are apes and pigs.
Amer: Because they are apes and pigs. Who said that about them?
Basmallah: Our God.
Amer: Where did he say that about them?
Basmallah: In the Koran.
Amer: He said this about them in the Koran. That's right. Basmallah, what do the Jews do?
Basmallah: What?
Amer: What do they do?
Basmallah: The Pepsi company.
Amer: So you know about the boycott too, Basmallah?
Basmallah: Yes.
Amer: Did they love our Prophet Muhammad?
Basmallah: No.
Amer: What did the Jews do to him?
Basmallah: He killed someone...
Amer: Of course, our Prophet Muhammad was strong and could kill them. OK, do you know traditions about what the Jews did to our Prophet Muhammad? Is there a story you know?
Basmallah: Yes.
Amer: Which one?
Basmallah: The one about the Jewish woman.
Amer: What did the Jewish woman do to our Prophet Muhammad?
Basmallah: The Jewish woman?
Amer: Yes.
Basmallah: She invited the Prophet and his companions. When he asked her if she had put poison in his food, she said "yes". He asked her: "Why did you do this?" She replied: "If you are a liar, you will die, and Allah will not protect you. But if you speak the truth, Allah will protect you."
Amer: And God protected the Prophet, of course.
Basmallah: And he said to his companions: "I will kill this woman."
Amer: Of course. She put poison in his food, this Jewess.
[...]
Amer: Basmallah, Allah be praised. May our God bless her. No one could wish for a more devout girl. May God bless her and her parents. The next generation of children must be true Muslims, Allah willing. We must educate them while they are still children to be true Muslims.


109 posted on 03/10/2006 1:09:47 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

You have me at a disadvantage today, I don't have the time to structure this for your understanding. My assertion was that stingers came from Afghanistan to the Balkans. Their origin can only be assumed. The word, "Stingers" was used in the meetings and were going to be used in Kosovo against the IC. More links....

"the missiles" from Afghanistan are Stingers, whereas "the missiles" from the Balkans would have been ex-Yugoslav or Albanian Strela variants. Whether they were being sent from Afghanistan or Stingers from Bosnian that they (Muslims against Serbs type) were supplied to the Rebels by the U.S. and they were now going to be used against the IC back in 2003 timeframe. In other words we lost track of the ones we gave to the Bosnian Muslims.

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/guest/triangle/BBC-June-2001-tape.html

The Bosnian Muslim army was covertly supplied with arms by the US during the 1990s (BBC report)

"So I stopped the car there and got out and... around the corner to 'do my thing'. There was a small door and the door opened. Inside there I saw three guys sitting, and I knew them - I'd talked to them and I'd seen them and I knew they were American.

"They were looking into two boxes that were a little bit short of two metres... and since they were sitting on it, it was approximately the height of a chair - 40, 50, maybe 60 centimetres high, and maybe the same width of it. It was green, so it was not an ordinary box, it was some special kind of box.

"And one of them that was nearest me, jumped up and smashed the door in and locked it!"

"[...] I knew these guys. [...] I was very confused about why they did that to me."

Six years after the incident, this man still fears for his safety.

BRDJANOVIC: "They were big packages and inside there were boxes on which it was written "US Army" and also unmarked boxes [...] Mainly grey, although there was some green."

The boxes contained valuable "Stinger" ground-to-air missiles and anti-tank guided weapons to be used against the superior armour of the Bosnian Serb Army.

Brdjanovic also told us that this man was involved in arranging the covert supply of weapons from Iran. He was the Bosnian Military Attache in the Turkish capital of Ankara.




http://www.balkanpeace.org/hed/archive/oct01/hed4292.shtml

http://guest.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/balkansUSbackterrorism.htm


110 posted on 03/10/2006 1:27:11 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

Hoplite, I found one of your Muslim buddies trying to get his head together...This is how I view you sometimes when you don't get your way.........exactly.

http://www.glumbert.com/media/rave.html


111 posted on 03/10/2006 1:36:43 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
You have me at a disadvantage today

I have you at a disadvantage every day.

Which is why you're huffing and puffing about Brdjanovic's remote sensing abilities (He can see into closed boxes!) in Bosnia and trying to give yourself some wriggle room in regards to what the Albanians are supposed to have.

If the Albanians don't have actual Afghan Stingers, the whole topic doesn't do you any good, as it doesn't serve to establish a link to Osama's late Afghan base of operations.

Get it?

Duh.

So let's review: There is no proof that the Albanians have ever gotten their hands on an Afghan Stinger. Your best bet would have been Florin Krasniqi, who went to Pakistan of his own accord and looked at some arms bazaar Stingers and knock-offs.

But, alas, he decided they were crap, and didn't buy any.

Sorry.

112 posted on 03/10/2006 2:30:25 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: tgambill
Amer: What did the Jewish woman do to our Prophet Muhammad? Basmallah: The Jewish woman? Amer: Yes. Basmallah: She invited the Prophet and his companions. When he asked her if she had put poison in his food, she said "yes". He asked her: "Why did you do this?" She replied: "If you are a liar, you will die, and Allah will not protect you. But if you speak the truth, Allah will protect you." Amer: And God protected the Prophet, of course. Basmallah: And he said to his companions: "I will kill this woman." Amer: Of course. She put poison in his food, this Jewess. [...] Amer: Basmallah, Allah be praised. May our God bless her. No one could wish for a more devout girl. May God bless her and her parents. The next generation of children must be true Muslims, Allah willing. We must educate them while they are still children to be true Muslims.
Of course, what Amer and Basmallah failto remember (in their myopic view of history), is that the Jewish woman Zaynab poisoned Muhammed and company after he had her husband and all the male members of her tribe beheaded. Also, they fail to remember that Muhammed complained bitterly until the day of his death about the effects of the poison and that it brought about the so-called prophet's death at the relatively early age of 64.
However, I was interested in how so-called "progressive" Turkey educates its children. You can get good insights into a country's foreign policy goals by the indoctrination that its young children are put through. I have a feeling that Turkey may not seem so "progressive" if put under such a microscope. This has to do with this nation's interference in the late Balkans wars. You know Turkey allowed the transit of known terrorists on their way to join the jihad in Bosnia.
113 posted on 03/10/2006 2:43:54 PM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Hoplite

Hoplite,

My only disadvantage is that I don't sit at the computer all day like you can, and lie all day. I have other endeavors.

I know for a fact you are wrong. Just the fact that it was mentioned in a Bondsteel meeting that I attended and secondly, I personally conducted an interview with the person that actually conducted the interview of the Albanian extremists in the brig, is good enough.

Your belief or disbelief means absolutely nothing as you are nowhere near an authority or credible source of information. You are just a person that is either paid to be a bother, or some fanatic belonging to some agency, association, or you are just some little man that does this for fun because he's bored with his unimportant and insignficant life.

Either way your comments or evaluations of my posts and of others that tell the truth, is of little signficance.

Even if the Stingers were too old or inoperative is not signficant as the information that they were being being sent from Afghan to Bosnia, Kosovo or Macedonia was the issue.

For your benefit.....

Landmines, Aging Missles Pose Threat
By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 25, 2001; Page A15

http://www.banminesusa.org/news/983_afghan/983_9_25.htm

"Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia still possesses dozens of Stinger anti- aircraft missiles left from the 1979-1989 war against the Soviet Union, but Pentagon officials and other defense experts say an estimated 10 million land mines buried during the Soviet occupation would pose an even greater threat to U.S. forces.

"They are going to be a tremendous worry," far more than the Stingers, said retired Marine colonel Edward Badolato, who helped manage the clearance of mines and other explosives from Kuwait after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. The United States provided about 1,000 Stingers to Afghan rebels fighting the Soviet Union during the 1980s, and an estimated 100 to 200 are believed to remain in Afghanistan. The Stinger, a shoulder-fired guided anti- aircraft missile, can hit aircraft flying as high as 10,000 feet with a heat- seeking high-explosive warhead."




http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25214

"The Macedonian military said the guerrillas include veterans of Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya. During a major guerrilla offensive, the Macedonians were able to contain the uprising with helicopter gunships acquired from Ukraine. But shortly after that, the helicopters came under attack from U.S.-made Stinger missiles.

Guess where those weapons came from? You got it. Afghanistan."



Try again, Hotshot......not in your best day could you come even close. I do reflect however, about how old you are and you lack of mental maturity. Here you are slinging insults to people you don't even know, in order to do....what? Your posts are virtually without any meaning, but when without words you reflect back to words that are designed to ......I guess, provoke, insult, give you a since of power?? Meaning you have none in your personal life. You really need some help even if you are doing this as a past time to provoke people. Certainly if you believe this, you need some help, but either way, meds might be an option.


114 posted on 03/10/2006 6:22:15 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2001/09/02/stories/0502134e.htm

"According to the respected defence weekly, Jane's, Albanian rebels possess around 8,000 arms including assault rifles, machine guns, grenades, mortar and rocket launchers and an estimated 50 Stinger missiles (that wreaked havoc on Soviet troops in Afghanistan)."




http://www.popovashapka.com/Macedonia-New%20super%20weapon%20Truth.htm

"." He reported new
details: "Shortly after our [helicopter gunships offensive] out pilots reported being targeted by sophisticated (US-made) Stinger missiles. It is our information that the UCK received the Stingers from their Mujahadeen connections in Afghanistan… We have
already supplied a substantial dossier [on the bin Laden-KLA connection] to the CIA, and obtaining further proof of this connection is our ministry Nr 1 priority."



http://ispec.specwarnet.net/albania/nla.html

"Heavy weapons in the NLA's armory include the 9M32 Strella-2M (SA-7B 'Grail' Mod 1) man-portable surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), 120mm and 82mm mortars, rocket-propelled grenades, light anti-tank rockets and 12.7mm heavy machine guns. There have also been reports of American 'Stinger' SAMs in the NLA's hands, and pictures of confiscated weapons show multi-barrelled grenade launchers and sniper rifles."



Have a good weekend, sport.


115 posted on 03/10/2006 7:20:18 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

No but stingers were there and were going to be used by NLA and later against KFOR.........as I said, Stingers were in Kosovo.


118 posted on 03/11/2006 10:47:40 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

Pictures, I don't know......My first hand knowledge comes from two incidents. The existence of the stingers was eluded to by the American KFOR in one of the meetings I attended every week.

The second incident was a personal interview I conducted with the lie detector tech. that gained the same info from Albanian terrorist......Then, the rest was from research of numerous articles as I have attached in previous posts. It also tracks with the information from UN, KFOR and other informal sources that MPRI was in Macedonia with the NLA......when they started training and operations in 2000-2001....


119 posted on 03/11/2006 11:00:13 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
You know Tom, the only difference between you and folks who maintained that Saddam had CBW when we invaded is that they've pretty much wised up to the current state of evidence and aren't relying on years old disinformation to keep pushing that erroneous view.

Oh, yeah, one more thing - we know for a fact that Saddam actually had CBW at one point, so your position is even weaker than theirs was.

And what did I tell you about that helicopter pilot story? Quit embarrassing yourself by repeating it.

120 posted on 03/11/2006 12:09:13 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

You haven't been listening to the latest news. Don't you know that Saddam moved the WMD To Syria? You need to keep up with the latest rumors and news, sport.

My view is just fine. You haven't proven otherwise as you haven't been effective since 2000 on this forum. One thing I can say is that you are consistently non-consistent.

Cripes, can't you get anything right that would allow someone to agree with you.

I'm still sticking with the pilot's story. I don't have to worry about being embarrassed, you seem to take center stage. The sad thing is you don't even know it. Your posts reflects a seriously disturbed person or someone who had a very disturbed childhood...........

No, Hoplite, I don't know you but this entire exchange is very bizarre in the display of attitude, drama and just very poor character, not to mention a lack of integrity.

A sad case indeed......

Since you fail at this job, ever thought about being spokesman for Geico Insurance. You would fit right in.....


121 posted on 03/11/2006 1:30:03 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
Don't you know that Saddam moved the WMD To Syria?

Yeah, in a Russian diplomatic convoy, no less.

How stupid does a story have to be before you figure it out, huh Tom? Do you really prefer simple fantasy to having to wade though volumes of boring albeit fact based reading, even if doing so leaves you vulnerable to opening your mouth and removing all doubt as to your childish lack of knowledge upon whatever subject you're expounding upon?

Case in point - the helicopter pilots: both Strelas and Stingers use passive guidance systems, meaning you don't know you're being targeted until you get a visual on it.

So if you want to believe that Macedonian helicopter pilots could discern a Strela from a Stinger as they whizzed past at Mach whatever, then you're more of a fool than I gave you credit for.

And I've given you a lot of credit, Tom.

122 posted on 03/11/2006 2:16:25 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

You have been spouting off the ridiculous story that was fabricated by the Clinton Administion justifying us going into the Balkans. This includes the exaggerated tales of mass graves in Kosovo. The only real mass grave that is definite was the one with 22 Serbs in it. Don't give me the lame criteria of 3+ equals a mass grave. Few, if any bodies can be linked to genocide.

The missiles; well, it seems that you have been a busy boy these past couple of days. So, did you call Daddy and get the links or maybe call in a few favors. I know you couldn't come up with it all those yourself.

I am staying with the Stingers story, as it is consistently reported. Granted, I cannot cite the details as to how the Stingers were identified; by observation, photo's, HUMIT, but they were reportedly identified. I will also stand by my own experience with the reports from Bondsteel and the info gleaned from a lie detector test....as I said before. It links with information that MPRI was in Macedonia, and the stingers were brought in from Afghanistan, or even fresh ones provided by us. There are many that have been lost by the U.S. also.......

Sometimes, one has to take a stand no matter what the naysayers come up with in order to discredit the assertion. It is also okay to admit a mistake that is discovered due to additional information surfacing. But this info, should show undeniable proof. The ranting and raving of a perfect lunatic like yourself, who is not even close being a credible source, is not considerable.

I will have to admit, the link is good and I appreciate the document. It's good background. However, that is the only credit I can give you.


123 posted on 03/11/2006 3:05:23 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite

"And I've given you a lot of credit, Tom"

*****:)) you've given me no credit in the first place. Secondly, does the verbal provocation actually work with most people? I would think that your simple minded ramblings had some purpose, otherwise, if not, then you have some serious issues that you have to deal with before you even think about "coming out"......:)

You have reduced your posting to the simple minded methods used by the same simple minded Left wingers on Liberty Forum.......


124 posted on 03/12/2006 2:27:42 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
you've given me no credit in the first place

Oh yeah, I have.

But like a Vegas high roller on a losing streak, you've exceeded your credit and dug yourself so deep you'll never get out of your hole.

The only real mass grave that is definite was the one with 22 Serbs in it.

See?    There you go again - we've been there, we've done that, and it's past the point where such as stupid lie is worth discussing any further.

125 posted on 03/12/2006 10:32:35 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

"Oh yeah I have"

***** UH no you haven't, not that it matters in the first place. Whether you have or have not, is not even signficant. You argue like a 16 year old who lost his cell phone and is banished in his room for being a bad boy. :) It's pathetic on how you just go on and on with little or nothing to say and no facts that are straight forward.




Your flair for the dramatic:

"which is why you're backpedaling faster than a circus clown who's made a wrong turn into oncoming traffic."

"But like a Vegas high roller on a losing streak, you've exceeded your credit and dug yourself so deep you'll never get out of your hole."

****** I love your colorful descriptions. In any case, I've yet to see any backpedaling and this "hole" you keep speaking of. For me, it's a win win situation. The more you write the more I learn because of the research I do to confirm or, put your assertions where they belong, in the "deep 6 file". If you actually bring up some point that shows me wrong or mistaken, good, I learn something. It's a win situation either way.

Vidomiric French
An alleged mass grave of unknown size and contents has been reported to KFOR for Vidomiric on 5 July 1999.

Vinarc French
[Donje Vinarce]
A mass grave/exposed bodies site containing seven bodies has been reported for Vinarc.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,203202,00.html

Quote from article:

"The latest incident follows a crackdown on Serb paramilitaries held responsible for atrocities against ethnic Albanians. K-For peacekeepers have arrested nine Serbs in the past three days. Four of the nine were taken into custody after French investigators exhumed 28 bodies from a burial site two miles west of Kosovska Mitrovica. The others were arrested by German and Dutch troops near the southern town of Orahovac, the UN war crimes tribunal said in the Hague. Serb irregulars are suspected of killing thousands of people during the 18-month campaign which ended in June when the Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic, accepted a UN-backed peace plan .

French police said yesterday that the bodies of more than 20 ethnic Albanians had been exhumed from a mass grave in Vidomiric. Seven bodies were identified. All were among 23 ethnic Albanian men rounded up during a raid in Kosovska Mitrovica on April 14, three weeks after the start of the 78-day war, a statement said.

In the Netherlands, the war crimes tribunal spokesman, Paul Risley, said investigators from the UN court had provided some of the evidence leading to the arrests. The suspects would be tried by international authorities in Kosovo, he said."



The site was found following an investigation by the KFOR of killing of 23 men. Families reported the disappearances of men that lived in the same block of Miladin Popovic Street. After seeking witnesses and conducting an investigation, it is reported that four Serbs were arrested and the site was discovered.

The 23 men were supposedly killed on April 14, 1999 and buried in this "mass grave" with five other bodies, to include one woman. Something I find interesting is that they all lived on the same street. Seven bodies were identified on the spot based on the clothing. Now, the OSCE assisted in the collection of ante-mortem data from families of the missing. KFOR collected cloth samples and asked the families to come for identification purposes. On 4 October 1999, 18 bodies were identified and buried on 5 October 1999. So, it took from July to October to identify the remaining bodies and from clothing, no less.....Why did they wait for four months to identify all the bodies that lived on the same street?

Oh, by the way, during the funeral on 5 October, about 200 meters away from the graveyard, Kosovo Albanians attacked Kosovo Serbs in their cars killing one man and injuring ten others. Two of those buried included a former OSCE-KVM local staff.

In Vaganica/Vaganice KFOR detected 50 "FRESH" Graves in the vaganica graveyard. In this one, the villagers said to the OSCE that the UCK may have assisted in the collection and burial of those killed. ICTY worked on the site from September to October, with 37 identifications. Twelve were reported to have been shot or stabbed. At the end of October 17 bodies remained unidentified????

Granted, the paramilitaries conducted operations and were involved in criminal activities. The mass graves were, first of all, nowhere near what the original reports stated prior to the war. Secondly, villagers lied and distorted many reports as in some cases, they were forced by the UCK who exaggerated the numbers and dead. Many dead were the result of NATO bombing, Murdered by KLA members, and yes, some by Serbian paramilitaries. Mass graves were "in some cases" fabricated to look like the Serbs did it. It is not a clear case of mass graves of Albanian victims.

Talk to you soon.........


126 posted on 03/12/2006 11:54:50 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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UH no you haven't

When I said I hadn't given you enough credit for being a fool, not even the basest estimates of your intelligence would have had you contesting it.

LOL.

127 posted on 03/12/2006 12:11:51 PM PST by Hoplite
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"When I said I hadn't given you enough credit for being a fool, not even the basest estimates of your intelligence would have had you contesting it."

****** I don't know what you are smoking, but whatever it is, you better not take it public or we all might get to know who your Daddy is.....This has been fun today, but got some Patty's day to visit.......and seek "mass parties" while you seek more holes in the ground.

Tat tat..........


128 posted on 03/12/2006 12:29:39 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Why is it that the only common ground we can find is that neither of us knows what you're trying to say?


129 posted on 03/12/2006 12:34:44 PM PST by Hoplite
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Well, that is easy.....you aren't listening, nor do you want to. You are exactly like the nutjobs on Liberty Forum, but, you are on the other side of the fence. You have the same character, lack of integrity, and provide the same empty posts that they do.

You may have to read the posts more than once for you to comprehend, but if you keep trying you may catch on.....


130 posted on 03/12/2006 8:58:19 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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Hey, if you think you can translate #128 into something intelligible, I'm all ears.

What were you trying to say?

131 posted on 03/12/2006 9:19:44 PM PST by Hoplite
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"I don't know what you are smoking, but whatever it is, you better not take it public or we all might get to know who your Daddy is.....This has been fun today, but got some Patty's day to visit.......and seek "mass parties" while you seek more holes in the ground."




**** You made a comment that was, of course, derogatory and designed to demean, so, I made a reference that you were probably smoking something that would make the room move. The reference "taking it in public" might get you arrested and thus you would hit the front page...thus linking you to your probably famous Daddy......

Our wasteful and empty posts today was entertaining, however, I had afternoon entertainment at the local pub to celebrate a pre-St Patricks day event.......which was more important that exchange these time wasting postings. So, I headed out to find the many parties while you more than likely looked for more input to the mass graves issues or missiles or whatever.........Mass graves = holes in the grounds. As you can see, I don't take our postings serious due to the exchanging of personal attacks and the simple minded use of insults which is completely unwarranted. But, this is the way you handle issues so, let's rock......

Life is good.........

How was that............?


132 posted on 03/12/2006 10:04:01 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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